GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

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Shamah

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2 Corinthians 3 can only be referring to one thing called a ministration of death written on tables of stone, taken away and replaced with something far more glorious.

When it says one covenant brought condemnation and we are ministers of a new and different one, there is no dissimulation.

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 7:12-14, “So that the Law truly is holy, and the command holy, and righteous, and good. Therefore, has that which is good become death to me? Let it not be! But the sin, that sin might be manifest, was working death in me through what is good, so that sin through the command might become an exceedingly great sinner. For we know that the Law is Spiritual, but I am fleshly, sold under sin."[/FONT]



[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]2 Corinthians 3:7-8, “But if the administering of death in letters, engraved on stones, was esteemed, so that the children of Yisra’yl were unable to look steadily at the face of Mosheh because of the esteem of his face, which was passing away, how much more esteemed shall the administering of the Spirit not be?”


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graceNpeace

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And yet you have not posted anything but an an attack on his person, Ellen White and the SDA Church. This is the Bible Discussion Forum on Christian chat not LoveGodForever, or Ellen White, or SDA forum of Christian Chat. Prove his posts are wrong rather than attack his character or something you know or think about him.
With respect I can highlight the source of his beliefs all I want!
Particularly because the source is extra-Biblical...
 

lightbearer

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With respect I can highlight the source of his beliefs all I want!
Particularly because the source is extra-Biblical...
He shares Bible quotes with minimal commentary. You are not addressing his posts at all. All you are doing is attacking his person and what you think about him.
 

graceNpeace

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He shares Bible quotes with minimal commentary. You are not addressing his posts at all. All you are doing is attacking his person and what you think about him.
I don't know what your background is.
However, if you do not know about SDA doctrine and its history - I advise you to check it out.
It is all smoke and mirrors.

The volume of quoted Scripture means very little when the entire point of the exercise is eisegesis (in other words reading into Scripture a presupposed meaning).
Countering it with an exegetical approach also means very little to the OP since his entire rationale for posting is only prosetylisation of the unwary and not learning.

I am not going to apologise for exposing what I consider fraud especially since he will not admit to his spiritual allegiences.
I have already shared the reasons why it would not suit him to do this because then it robs him of the ability to make many of the claims that he does. After all, if he admits that half the doctrine of the SDA church comes from Ellen G. White who is regarded as a prophet and whose writings have co-authoirty with the Bible, then clearly his claims of devotion to sola scriptura immediately fly out of the window...
On another thread just today he has made bold claims about believing in salvation by grace through faith! Yet that is utter bunkum, because the SDA position, and LGF's personal position (repeated ad nauseum) is that salvation is dependent not on grace through faith, but actually on strict adherence to SDA doctrine, including, but not exclusively Sabbath-keeping. Part of the deal is also water baptism exclusively performed by SDA clergy. He will not openly admit this.

So, LGF, is grossly misrepresenting his true position. And it needs to be exposed!

SDA doctrine is apart from Biblical Christianity and no amount of whitewashing will change that...
 

gb9

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He shares Bible quotes with minimal commentary. You are not addressing his posts at all. All you are doing is attacking his person and what you think about him.
Bible quotes- yes. verses plucked out of context. " minimal commentary " ? that's a laugh. "heavy sda propaganda " yes!
 

lightbearer

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the website attached to all his posts.
you said that he post scripture out of context. Prove it! I could care less what church he is from. Truth is truth! There’s no church here on this earth that has a market on all truth. He post scripture with minimal commentary, never mentioning a church or any pacific person such as Ellen White. So prove that he’s pulling scripture out of context rather than saying so.
 
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I don't know what your background is.
However, if you do not know about SDA doctrine and its history - I advise you to check it out.
It is all smoke and mirrors.

The volume of quoted Scripture means very little when the entire point of the exercise is eisegesis (in other words reading into Scripture a presupposed meaning).
Countering it with an exegetical approach also means very little to the OP since his entire rationale for posting is only prosetylisation of the unwary and not learning.

I am not going to apologise for exposing what I consider fraud especially since he will not admit to his spiritual allegiences.
I have already shared the reasons why it would not suit him to do this because then it robs him of the ability to make many of the claims that he does. After all, if he admits that half the doctrine of the SDA church comes from Ellen G. White who is regarded as a prophet and whose writings have co-authoirty with the Bible, then clearly his claims of devotion to sola scriptura immediately fly out of the window...
On another thread just today he has made bold claims about believing in salvation by grace through faith! Yet that is utter bunkum, because the SDA position, and LGF's personal position (repeated ad nauseum) is that salvation is dependent not on grace through faith, but actually on strict adherence to SDA doctrine, including, but not exclusively Sabbath-keeping. Part of the deal is also water baptism exclusively performed by SDA clergy. He will not openly admit this.

So, LGF, is grossly misrepresenting his true position. And it needs to be exposed!

SDA doctrine is apart from Biblical Christianity and no amount of whitewashing will change that...
Amazing what some people will resort to when they do not have God's WORD.

They ignore God's WORD and speak their own words over God's then make up false accusations because they have no scripture to support their traditions that break the commandments of God.

You can say what you like about me. I am no one. He is all and in all. He must increase but I must decrease.

Only God's Word is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW him who calls us in LOVE to LOVE another...

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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN not BELIEVING God's WORD will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12).

If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
 
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Studyman

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Yes, it is impossible to justify religious traditions of man which transgress the Commandments of God with scripture.

it is also impossible to make someone believe that their interpretation is not from the holy spirit if they are convinced that it is.
According to your religion this could be true. That would explain why there are so many hundreds of differing doctrines. But not according to the Jesus of the Bible. If it were really impossible for people to believe "ALL" of Christ's Words, or for the truly deceived to change and accept the truth, then Jesus wouldn't have come to the Lost (Deceived) children of Israel.

And God would have no reason to give us His Word as an example for us to be admonished by.
 

Studyman

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He shares Bible quotes with minimal commentary. You are not addressing his posts at all. All you are doing is attacking his person and what you think about him.
They can't address his posts LB. They contain God's Word which condemn their religion. And their anger isn't against him, but the God whose Words he is posting. He is just a convenient place for them to place their contempt for the God of the Bible on. Like Cain did to Abel, and the Mainstream Preachers of Stephen's time did to him. I have seen others who are not SDA, who also post scriptures which expose their religion as from men and not from God and they get the same treatment.

I would wear their hatred and scorn like a badge.
 
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Not in your understanding. Under the Law would be in reference to the condemnation and keeping it outside of the heart and mind transformation we have through Christ through GOD. If the Laws; His Word; Christ is in our hearts, minds and mouths we are a new creation in Christ Jesus. Old things have passed away and All has become New and is of GOD. If the Law; the Word; HIS Christ is in our hearts, minds and mouths it is the Faith in which HE speaks. Because HIS Law; HIS Word; HIS Christ has become part of who we are. We can't help but do the things that HE would because as HE is so are we in this World through Christ.
Yep nice post LB, what baffles me sometimes is that so many try and put their own interpretation on God's WORD when God's WORD already defines what it is talking about.
 
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They can't address his posts LB. They contain God's Word which condemn their religion. And their anger isn't against him, but the God whose Words he is posting. He is just a convenient place for them to place their contempt for the God of the Bible on. Like Cain did to Abel, and the Mainstream Preachers of Stephen's time did to him. I have seen others who are not SDA, who also post scriptures which expose their religion as from men and not from God and they get the same treatment.

I would wear their hatred and scorn like a badge.
Absolutely SM, it is the path of all who BELIEVE AND FOLLOW our LORD. Late my time my friend. So I am out to get some rest. God bless you as you continue in his Word. :)
 

gb9

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i'll pick an easy one- you guys love to cite 1st John chapters 1 and 2 for keeping the law ( commands ). then, in chapter 3, John explains what the commands he is speaking of is Believe in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and love one another.

so, according to you guy's logic- I am supposed to read the first 2 chapters of one letter, then jump somewhere else , add some verses , then come back to chapter 3 of that letter to get what he was saying. that is what ya'll call context.

you completely ignore chronological order, and the fact that chapters and verses were not added until hundreds of years later.
 

PS

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Yep nice post LB, what baffles me sometimes is that so many try and put their own interpretation on God's WORD when God's WORD already defines what it is talking about.
So tell me LGF why do you insist on a Saturday Sabbath and then quote COL. 2 [16] that says,

"Let no man therefore judge you in MEAT, or in DRINK, or in respect of an HOLYDAY, or of the NEW MOON, or of the SABBATH DAY(S) <plural>:


Let's use the scriptures interpret scripture.............................
COL. 2 [16] Let no man therefore judge you in MEAT, or in DRINK, or in respect of an HOLYDAY, or of the NEW MOON, or of the SABBATH DAY(S) <plural>: LGF
 

Dan_473

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No worries Dan take your time. There is no other tables that God wrote on there is only two that have the 10 commandments written on them (see scriptures above posted earlier) 10 Commandments on tables of stone....

Ok your think now there may be more tables of stone that God wrote on... Here is another scriopture that may help to show there is only two that have the 10 Commandments and no other laws did God write besides the 10 Commandments.

So we can add this next verse which should help you here...

Exo 31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of speaking with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.

Are you ready to move forward now?
Do you know what the OLD Covenant is and what laws make up the OLD Covenant and why God commanded these laws to be separated in the ARK of the Covenant?

No need for a long answer if your not able to.
i agree that the tables in ex 24 are probably the same as the two that have the Ten rules on them

but i think there is room for question

the tables in 24 are described differently
 

Dan_473

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According to your religion this could be true. That would explain why there are so many hundreds of differing doctrines. But not according to the Jesus of the Bible. If it were really impossible for people to believe "ALL" of Christ's Words, or for the truly deceived to change and accept the truth, then Jesus wouldn't have come to the Lost (Deceived) children of Israel.

And God would have no reason to give us His Word as an example for us to be admonished by.
I'll rephrase

it is also extremely difficult on an internet forum to convince someone that their interpretation is not from the holy spirit if they are convinced that it is.
 

Studyman

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I'll rephrase

it is also extremely difficult on an internet forum to convince someone that their interpretation is not from the holy spirit if they are convinced that it is.
According to your religion this could be true. That would explain why there are so many hundreds of differing doctrines. But not according to the Jesus of the Bible. It is difficult for people to believe "ALL" of Christ's Words, or for the truly deceived to change and accept the truth, but Jesus wouldn't have come to the Lost (Deceived) children of Israel if it was too difficult.

For this reason the Christ gave us His Word as an example for us to be admonished by.
 

Shamah

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So tell me LGF why do you insist on a Saturday Sabbath and then quote COL. 2 [16] that says,

"Let no man therefore judge you in MEAT, or in DRINK, or in respect of an HOLYDAY, or of the NEW MOON, or of the SABBATH DAY(S) <plural>:
THe pharisees would literally have you taken to trial and beaten, imrisoned of even killed for not doing it their way, they killed Zacharyah for not honoring the Day of Atonement the way they said.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]The prophet Zecharyah was killed over this very matter and Yahshua Himself mentioned the murder; [/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Matthew 23:34-35, “Because of this, see, I send you prophets, and wise men, and scholars of Scripture, Some of them you shall kill and impale, and some of them you shall flog in your congregations and persecute from city to city, so that on you should come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of righteous Heḇel to the blood of Zeḵaryah, son of Bereḵyah, whom you murdered between the Dwelling Place and the altar."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]2 Chronicles 24:20-21, "Then the Spirit of the Most High came upon Zeḵaryah son of Yehoyaḏa the priest, who stood above the people, and said to them, “Thus said the Most High, ‘Why are you transgressing the commands of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה, and do not prosper? Because you have forsaken [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[FONT=Times New Roman, serif], He has forsaken you. And they conspired against him, and at the command of the sovereign they stoned him with stones in the courtyard of the House of [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה."[/FONT]



[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]The prophet Zecharyah (father of John the baptist) had a disagreement with the Pharisees about what day to keep the Day of Atonement, they commanded him to not honor it on the day YHWH said to but to rather honor the day they supplied, “the tradition of the elders”. Zecharyah chose to obey YHWH, and his body was killed because of it,


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