GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

[Studyman]

Wall,

"So you can see that Jesus did not do away with the letter of the law. Common sense will tell ya in order to walk in the spirit of the law you must also be walking in the letter."

I think maybe that's where we read it differently



continuing on

For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.


a modern translation
And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts!

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Corinthians3&version=NIV

Now if you can just agree with the Word which became Flesh as to what HE said was "transitory". As I read it the Priesthood with it's sacrificial "Works of the Law" for remission of sins through the High Priest is what changed. Not God's instruction to, and how to Love Him and each other. At least that is what the Bible teaches.

 

[Endoscopy]

You argue the resurrection was on a Sunday, but it was actually on a Saturday evening. Christ was buried just before sundown: and 3 days/3 nights add up to a sundown resurrection. Jesus was crucified on a Wednesday. The Romans said it was Friday because of the sundown Sabbath was approaching. But it says in John 19:14 it was the preparation day (crucifixion day) which is the day before the annual Sabbath of the First Day of Unleavened Bread. Ask any Jew what the preparation day is. An annual Sabbath is called a high day.

John 19:31: "The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away."

John 20:1: "The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre." ​

Three days and three nights raises Him on Saturday evening. He had already risen unseen by early Sunday. Jesus was talking with Mary saying he had not ascended to His Father yet:

John 20:16-18: “Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master. Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and that he had spoken these things unto her.”

John 20:19: “Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.”

Later that same day He appeared to His disciples and they could touch Him. So, we can say for sure the ascension was on Sunday. We are given a picture of His ascension as the wave sheath day:[look up wave sheath day for yourself] when the first fruits were waved before God as a tribute. This was always done on the first Sunday after Passover. ​

This still does not make Sunday the Sabbath.

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Simplified version. There are 2 kinds of Sabbaths, weekly and annual Sabbaths. Jesus was crucified during Passover week that has a Sabbath at the begining and the end. The tomb was empty on Sunday morning. That means the latest Jesus arose was the weekly Sabbath late afternoon. That would make his Crucifixion the latest on Wednesday with the last Passover Sabbath on Thursday.

 

[Jackson123]

Simplified version. There are 2 kinds of Sabbaths, weekly and annual Sabbaths. Jesus was crucified during Passover week that has a Sabbath at the begining and the end. The tomb was empty on Sunday morning. That means the latest Jesus arose was the weekly Sabbath late afternoon. That would make his Crucifixion the latest on Wednesday with the last Passover Sabbath on Thursday.

sabbath mean rest, you say there are 2 kind of sabbath, wich one you observe?

 

[PS]

You keep talking about how legalist will die if they keep the law. Is 2Cor.3 the scripture you have trouble understanding? Im not sure because you havent cut and pasted any "irrelevant" scriptures as you claim i do. According to the scriptures Jesus did not do away with the law but made the law greater. He magnified the law to a spiritual level. He made the 10 commandments even harder to keep.

2 COR. 3 [6] WHO ALSO HATH MADE US ABLE MINISTERS OF THE NEW TESTAMENT; NOT OF THE LETTER, BUT OF THE SPIRIT: FOR THE LETTER KILLETH, BUT THE SPIRIT GIVETH LIFE. [7] But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away: [8] How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

ROMANS 7 [4] Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. [5] For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. [6] But now we are DELIVERED FROM THE LAW, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should SERVE IN NEWNESS OF SPIRIT, AND NOT IN THE OLDNESS OF THE LETTER.

As we can see in above scriptures we are now to walk in the spirit of the law. If we walk only in the letter of the law this will lead to death, but if we walk in the spirit of the law this leads to life.

MATTHEW 5 [20] For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven. [21] Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, THOU SHALT NOT KILL; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: [22] BUT I SAY UNTO YOU, THAT WHOSOEVER IS ANGRY WITH HIS BROTHER WITHOUT A CAUSE SHALL BE IN DANGER OF THE JUDGMENT: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

OLD LETTER- Thou shalt not kill
NEW SPIRIT- Don’t even get angry. Call no man a fool. Love one another in thought, word and deed.

MATTHEW 5 [27] Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, thou shalt not commit adultery: [28] But i say unto you, that WHOSOEVER LOOKETH ON A WOMAN TO LUST AFTER HER HATH COMMITTED ADULTERY with her already in his heart.

OLD LETTER- Thou shalt not commit adultery
NEW SPIRIT- Do not look on a woman to lust. Keep the law in our mind and spirit. Even in our eyes.

So you can see that Jesus did not do away with the letter of the law. Common sense will tell ya in order to walk in the spirit of the law you must also be walking in the letter. Jesus made the commandments even harder to keep and more honorable.

ISAIAH 42 [20] Seeing many things, but thou observest not; opening the ears, but he heareth not.[21] The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; HE WILL MAGNIFY THE LAW, and make it honourable.

Yes, Jesus magnified the law. He took the letter of the law (which leads to death) and magnified the law to a spiritual level (which leads to life).

You have hit the nail on the head. Judaism is a series of "Do not's," "Do not do this" and "Do not do that." You might not kill your neighbour, but that is not to say you don't hate them in your heart.

Jesus made it harder and said to LOVE your enemy. The spirit of Christianity does more than embrace legalistic Judaism, it kills it like Chemotherapy kills cancer and this is why Judaism and the Jewish law is dead in the sight of God. Remember it was GOD who changed it, so don't argue with the LORD, instead submit yourself to Him and follow Him every step of the way, in word, thought and deed.

 

[Cee]

He empowers us to follow His ways. It is He who works in us both the will and desire...

 

[PS]

He empowers us to follow His ways. It is He who works in us both the will and desire...

Jesus said "Father forgive them for they know not what they do," and with Jesus in our heart (he in knocking on our heart's door) we can overcome our natural instincts and learn to love others. He told us this in Revelation 3:20...

Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

With Jesus in our hearts, we too can be overcommers, for He is love.

 

[Cee]

And by this we know we have overcame the world - our faith.

 

[Dan_473]

Now if you can just agree with the Word which became Flesh as to what HE said was "transitory". As I read it the Priesthood with it's sacrificial "Works of the Law" for remission of sins through the High Priest is what changed. Not God's instruction to, and how to Love Him and each other. At least that is what the Bible teaches.

i think the Word which became Flesh,
speaking through hs ambassador Paul,

is saying
what was transitory,*
that which is done away,

clearly refers to a few sentences earlier

if the ministration of death,
written and engraven in stones,
was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away

 

[Jackson123]

i think the Word which became Flesh,
speaking through hs ambassador Paul,

is saying
what was transitory,*
that which is done away,

clearly refers to a few sentences earlier

if the ministration of death,
written and engraven in stones,
was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away

I believe the word become flesh is Jesus. It is simple. And when we invite Jesus we will be Christ like, we not Jesus, we not God

we still human, but we act like in the sense of love.

 

[Dan_473]

I believe the word become flesh is Jesus. It is simple. And when we invite Jesus we will be Christ like, we not Jesus, we not God

we still human, but we act like in the sense of love.

very true!

I used the phrase

the Word which became Flesh

because that's the phrase Studyman used in his post

 

[posthuman]

Now if you can just agree with the Word which became Flesh as to what HE said was "transitory". As I read it the Priesthood with it's sacrificial "Works of the Law" for remission of sins through the High Priest is what changed. Not God's instruction to, and how to Love Him and each other. At least that is what the Bible teaches.

If you could just read verse 7 and accept it as it's written ...

 

[posthuman]

i think the Word which became Flesh,
speaking through hs ambassador Paul,

is saying
what was transitory,*
that which is done away,

clearly refers to a few sentences earlier

if the ministration of death,
written and engraven in stones,
was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away

It is clear from the text that he's writing about the old covenant, and the supplanting of it with a new. And nowhere in scripture is any covenant spoken of as being made up of distinguishable compartments such that one part can be broken and the others remain. That is a purely human, modern tradition imagined by those who wish to go back to a ministry of death and to pharisetically judge others by a covenant they are not partakers of.

See the last 463 pages? All their arguments hinge on supposing they are able to break one part of the Law and not be guilty of all of it. *poof* it's vapid. Baseless.

 

[Studyman]

You have hit the nail on the head. Judaism is a series of "Do not's," "Do not do this" and "Do not do that." You might not kill your neighbour, but that is not to say you don't hate them in your heart.

Jesus made it harder and said to LOVE your enemy. The spirit of Christianity does more than embrace legalistic Judaism, it kills it like Chemotherapy kills cancer and this is why Judaism and the Jewish law is dead in the sight of God. Remember it was GOD who changed it, so don't argue with the LORD, instead submit yourself to Him and follow Him every step of the way, in word, thought and deed.

When you say Judaism, are you preaching that God’s instruction is Judaism or the doctrines from Commandments of men that the Pharisees taught is Judaism?

 

[Dan_473]

It is clear from the text that he's writing about the old covenant, and the supplanting of it with a new. And nowhere in scripture is any covenant spoken of as being made up of distinguishable compartments such that one part can be broken and the others remain. That is a purely human, modern tradition imagined by those who wish to go back to a ministry of death and to pharisetically judge others by a covenant they are not partakers of.

See the last 463 pages? All their arguments hinge on supposing they are able to break one part of the Law and not be guilty of all of it. *poof* it's vapid. Baseless.

yes, to me it's clear that
"engraved in letters on stone"

refers to the Ten Commandments and by extension to the entire law

similar to how we use "Hollywood" to signify the movie industry

 

[PS]

When you say Judaism, are you preaching that God’s instruction is Judaism or the doctrines from Commandments of men that the Pharisees taught is Judaism?

Obviously one cannot say anything against the pre-existing "Word made flesh" neither would we want to. Anyone who does, identifies themselves as anti-Christ. The error arises in the teaching of the Pharisees and the cults in the Old Testament surrounding the many idols and false gods, their priests, telling the people "The LORD says...." the LORD being their false god.

As it is difficult to discern between the teaching of "the Word made flesh" and the false priests, then in the light of God's New Covenant, there is no further need for the Old Testament, except for the books of the prophets, the Psalms, and as a historical record of the Jewish Nation. Spiritually speaking we need look no further than the New Testament for our instruction in righteousness, redemption and our walk with God.

 

[lightbearer]

i think the Word which became Flesh,
speaking through hs ambassador Paul,

is saying
what was transitory,*
that which is done away,

clearly refers to a few sentences earlier

if the ministration of death,
written and engraven in stones,
was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away

This text speaks of the Ministration not that to which was engraved, but how it was ministered. No longer of the letter but of the Spirit.

Declared to be the epistle of Christ.... written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart. And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward: Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God.


That which was written in stone was to be and is written on our hearts. So Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ (HIS Word; the Law) again from the dead.) But what saith it? The word (Christ; HIS LAW) is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart (that we do it): that is, the word of faith, which we preach. Christ in us the hope of glory. A new and living Way; the Veil; that is to say His flesh; the Body of Christ; the Temple of GOD. For it is HE that works in us both to will and do HIS good pleasure. Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures. Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls. But be ye doers of the (engrafted) word (that which is in our hearts and minds), and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
(Heb 8:10; 2Co 3:3-5; Rom 10:6-8; Jas 1:21-22)

 

[posthuman]

So Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ (HIS Word; the Law) again from the dead.) But what saith it? The word (Christ; HIS LAW) is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart (that we do it): that is, the word of faith, which we preach. Christ in us the hope of glory.

Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is His name, and what is His son's name, if thou canst tell?
(Proverbs 30:4) ​

 

[Dan_473]

This text speaks of the Ministration not that to which was engraved, but how it was ministered. No longer of the letter but of the Spirit.

Declared to be the epistle of Christ.... written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart. And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward: Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God.


That which was written in stone was to be and is written on our hearts. So Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ (HIS Word; the Law) again from the dead.) But what saith it? The word (Christ; HIS LAW) is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart (that we do it): that is, the word of faith, which we preach. Christ in us the hope of glory. A new and living Way; the Veil; that is to say His flesh; the Body of Christ; the Temple of GOD. For it is HE that works in us both to will and do HIS good pleasure. Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures. Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls. But be ye doers of the (engrafted) word (that which is in our hearts and minds), and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
(Heb 8:10; 2Co 3:3-5; Rom 10:6-8; Jas 1:21-22)

as I read it the
ministration
is that which is written in stone

they are not two separate things



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it sounds to me that in your view the same exact thing which was written in stone is also written on our heart

then I ask

that which is written on your heart

in what language is it written?

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

in what language is it written?

I am hopeful that God will understand English (for all our sakes).

 

[Dan_473]

I am hopeful that God will understand English (for all our sakes).

did God write the Ten Commandments on your heart in English?
in the King James version?