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    Default Re: GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

    Quote Originally Posted by posthuman View Post

    hmm did Jesus lie to Paul?

    "you are not under law, but grace"
    The 'letter of the OT demanded 'instant punishment (stoning) and this is what Paul ref to when he said we are not under it anymore but now have received GRACE/pardon from that, pardon from immediate death in the form of Grace to give us time to be changed from our previous Disobedience to NOW become obedient.
    THAT is the 'change in the law...Not that the law itself had to be changed or abolished !!! To fulfill the law one has to LEARN to obey and keep it....we can not remain children of DISobedience !!! Heb 5v8,9.
    The fault is with MAN...Not the law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Studyman View Post
    No paradox.

    Either you misunderstand what “under the law” means. Or Jesus is confused about His Fathers Laws. I’m going with the Christ on this one. I think it is your understanding that is flawed, not the Christ’s.
    Jesus stated the law is in place until heaven and earth disappear. We admit this when we admit to sinning. Sin is breaking the law. I go with what Jesus stated about the law. I have posted his statement on this site several times.

    Christians are saved by grace through faith on Jesus freeing them from the penalty of the law. Those rejecting Jesus will be judged according to the law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by posthuman View Post

    Aaron wasn't given priesthood by Moses; he was made priest by God, according to the Law given at Sinai. Exodus 28 -- is it Moses giving commands or is it the LORD?

    so Psalm 99 isn't referring to Moses as priest by Law: the Law, given by God, made Aaron priest. high priest of a certain covenant. covenant is the theme of Hebrews 8.
    yet Levi isn't priest anymore - though he was established as priest through this covenant law. Levi can only be removed by a change in law because Levi is established by law ((Deut. 18 e.g.))

    'if the first covenant had been faultless' it says. a new covenant was made, and 'where there is a change in covenant..'
    the covenant was established by Law.
    the covenant was replaced by a new one.

    ((here's a good place to read Deut. 4:13 again))

    is it time now for one of your little rants about immutable law?
    You said Moses wasn't a Priest. The Bible says he was. God's Word is Law. Not yours.

    Hebrews 7 tells us exactly what was changed and why. All you have to do is believe it.

    When having to choose between your religious traditions and doctrines, and the Word's of the Bible. I'm going to choose God's Word's over yours every time.

    Surely God's Words are immutable, and I am not ashamed to believe this.

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    What happened to the Priesthood of Levi, beta?

    It was established by Law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Studyman View Post
    God's Word is Law. Not yours.
    May you increase in the knowledge of God
    good news gives health to the bones
    (Proverbs 15:30)

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    Default Re: GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

    Hebrews 7:5
    Now the law requires the descendants of Levi who become priests to collect a tenth from the people—that is, from their fellow Israelites—even though they also are descended from Abraham.

    Hmm is this Law still binding?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Studyman View Post
    Hebrews 7 tells us exactly what was changed and why.
    Yes.

    Hebrews 7:18-19
    The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.
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    Default Re: GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

    Notice that says "the Law" not 'the priesthood of Levi'


    Who ya gon' believe?
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    Quote Originally Posted by posthuman View Post
    What happened to the Priesthood of Levi, beta?

    It was established by Law.
    Why ask me ? see Heb 7. Was the Levitical Priesthood set up for ever ? not every law God gives is for ever....we now have JESUS !
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    Quote Originally Posted by beta View Post
    Why ask me ? see Heb 7. Was the Levitical Priesthood set up for ever ? not every law God gives is for ever....we now have JESUS !
    May you increase in the knowledge of God and forget not His benefits!
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    Quote Originally Posted by posthuman View Post
    Notice that says "the Law" not 'the priesthood of Levi'


    Who ya gon' believe?
    Heb 7v12 for the Priesthood being changed.....if it hasn't how can JESUS now be our High Priest ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by posthuman View Post

    hmm did Jesus lie to Paul?

    "you are not under law, but grace"
    No, the Word which became Flesh doesn't lie.


    It's man and their deceitful nature that lies.


    Under the law in this context means "dead". "I was alive once, then the commandments came and I died".

    Being under the law in this context means "dead".

    15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, (Dead) but under grace (Alive)? God forbid. (That means no Post)

    Read the rest of his Words.


    16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
    18 Being then made free from sin(unto death), ye became the servants of righteousness(unto life).

    I'm sure it fills the collection plates to preach being free from sin means being free from God's instructions. But Paul doesn't teach that.

    13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

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    Quote Originally Posted by posthuman View Post
    May you increase in the knowledge of God and forget not His benefits!
    DITTO !ditto !
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    Default Re: GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

    Quote Originally Posted by Endoscopy View Post
    Jesus said the law is in place until heaven and earth disappear. That means we all are under it. When we admit that we sin we are admitting the law is in place. That is because sin is transgression of the law!! The issue for Christians is grace through faith in Jesus means we are not under the penalty of the law. Non believers however will be judged under the law and pay the penalty!!
    actually Jesus said the law is in place until heaven and earth disappear
    until all is fulfilled

    i think a good way to read it is that Jesus fulfilled the law and the prophets

    not all prophecies
    but the law and the prophets

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    Quote Originally Posted by posthuman View Post
    Hebrews 7:5
    Now the law requires the descendants of Levi who become priests to collect a tenth from the people—that is, from their fellow Israelites—even though they also are descended from Abraham.

    Hmm is this Law still binding?
    One duty of the Priesthood is to administer God's Laws. Not create them. Does our High Priest still require tithes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endoscopy View Post
    Jesus said the law is in place until heaven and earth disappear. That means we all are under it. When we admit that we sin we are admitting the law is in place. That is because sin is transgression of the law!! The issue for Christians is grace through faith in Jesus means we are not under the penalty of the law. Non believers however will be judged under the law and pay the penalty!!
    I think it's interesting that you use "sin is transgression of the law"
    which i believe is a kjv-ism

    i think a better translation is
    Sin is being without law

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    Default Re: GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

    Quote Originally Posted by Endoscopy View Post
    Jesus said the law is in place until heaven and earth disappear. That means we all are under it. When we admit that we sin we are admitting the law is in place. That is because sin is transgression of the law!! The issue for Christians is grace through faith in Jesus means we are not under the penalty of the law. Non believers however will be judged under the law and pay the penalty!!
    i disagree that

    "not under the law"

    means

    "not under the penalty of the law"

    because if it does
    then

    Jesus would be born
    "under the penalty of the law"

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    Quote Originally Posted by posthuman View Post
    Yes.

    Hebrews 7:18-19
    The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.
    Maybe you can answer what "former regulation" Hebrews 7 is talking about? What "LAW" could not bring perfection?

    Is this where you just fill in the blanks and inject whatever Commandment of God that doesn't suit you?

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    Default Re: GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

    Quote Originally Posted by posthuman View Post
    Notice that says "the Law" not 'the priesthood of Levi'


    Who ya gon' believe?
    "Law of Works" vs. "Law of faith"

    I understand the difference. You can't.

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    Default Re: GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

    For my part I believe 'not under law' means 'not under law'


    I don't find it necessary to rewrite scripture.
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