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    Default Re: GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

    why should we take the words of a guy who lectures ( on the same issue ) all the time, yet refuses to answer questions. any theology that will not answer questions is not valid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gb9 View Post
    why should we take the words of a guy who lectures ( on the same issue ) all the time, yet refuses to answer questions. any theology that will not answer questions is not valid.
    Hello gb9,

    That is not true at all. Didn't you post the same thing in another thread? I have answered all of your posts that I know of and have answered all your questions . Very few of my posts and questions get answered however. Please if you believe I have missed any of your posts please re-post it? If you cannot why say such things?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LoveGodForever View Post
    Very few of my posts and questions get answered however.
    Not because they are valid, but because they are long.

    Also, many of your posts were answered but you still repeat them without any change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LoveGodForever View Post
    Hello gb9,

    That is not true at all. Didn't you post the same thing in another thread? I have answered all of your posts that I know of and have answered all your questions . Very few of my posts and questions get answered however. Please if you believe I have missed any of your posts please re-post it? If you cannot why say such things?
    oneness or trinity? never an answer.

    here, one more time- person A- do you believe in the Virgin birth? person B- yes I do ( or ) no I don't. that is a Q and A. you have yet to answer this in that fashion. Posting Scripture does not say what YOU believe. I am asking you, I know Scripture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gb9 View Post
    oneness or trinity? never an answer.

    here, one more time- person A- do you believe in the Virgin birth? person B- yes I do ( or ) no I don't. that is a Q and A. you have yet to answer this in that fashion. Posting Scripture does not say what YOU believe. I am asking you, I know Scripture.
    You really do have a problem with your memory gb9

    I have answered you plainly twice now in two different threads some with supporting scripture and others with a plain answer

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    Quote Originally Posted by LoveGodForever View Post
    You really do have a problem with your memory gb9

    I have answered you plainly twice now in two different threads some with supporting scripture and others with a plain answer
    Would it be a big problem to add the answer to this post, again?

    Regarding Sabbath, you are repeating things dozen times. Regarding the deity of Christ, Trinity etc you are very unwilling to repeat yourself... so, where your heart really is?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LoveGodForever View Post
    You really do have a problem with your memory gb9

    I have answered you plainly twice now in two different threads some with supporting scripture and others with a plain answer
    I have no memory problem, a couple of days ago, you provided a link to where you claimed to answer that. lots of you usual Sabbath worship, nothing on trinity or oneness.

    the reason I ask this is that this has a lot of influence on how one sees Scripture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gb9 View Post
    I have no memory problem, a couple of days ago, you provided a link to where you claimed to answer that. lots of you usual Sabbath worship, nothing on trinity or oneness.

    the reason I ask this is that this has a lot of influence on how one sees Scripture.
    Nope I added links and also told you plainly x2. Your memory is indeed not to good

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    Quote Originally Posted by trofimus View Post
    Would it be a big problem to add the answer to this post, again?

    Regarding Sabbath, you are repeating things dozen times. Regarding the deity of Christ, Trinity etc you are very unwilling to repeat yourself... so, where your heart really is?
    SDA's sound like a one string banjo. "Sabbath"... plink, plink.

    They also play the same game in salvation as every other false movement of Christendom. They profess to teach that salvation is by grace through faith, but they redefine this in a way that is contrary to New Testament doctrine through their subtle mixture of law and grace, which results in salvation by grace plus law, faith plus works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LoveGodForever View Post
    Nope I added links and also told you plainly x2. Your memory is indeed not to good

    notice this tactic people- he keeps saying that he answered the question, but never repeats the answer.

    a pillar of Christianity is truth and honesty. saying that you answered a question when in fact you never did is not truthful or honest. keep all the Sabbaths you think you do, it will not make up for being dishonest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mailmandan View Post
    SDA's sound like a one string banjo. "Sabbath"... plink, plink.

    They also play the same game in salvation as every other false movement of Christendom. They profess to teach that salvation is by grace through faith, but they redefine this in a way that is contrary to New Testament doctrine through their subtle mixture of law and grace, which results in salvation by grace plus law, faith plus works.
    Yet how would you know if you only point people to the word of websites over the Word of God and you do not know the what the Gospel is? Only God's Word is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW all of it as the Word is Jesus and Jesus IS the Gospel

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    Quote Originally Posted by LoveGodForever View Post
    ...and you do not know the what the Gospel is
    Can you tell me the gospel according to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by LoveGodForever View Post
    Yet how would you know if you only point people to the word of websites over the Word of God...Only God's Word is true
    Can you explain to me why do you have a link to a webpage in your signature, then? You are the only one of us propagating some website with every post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trofimus View Post
    Can you tell me the gospel according to you?
    I've explained what the gospel IS numerous times in numerous posts. LGF has resorted to false accusations, but I'm not surprised.

    Can you explain to me why do you have a link to a webpage in your signature, then? You are the only one of us propagating some website with every post.
    I see that I'm not the only one who caught that! It appears we have a double standard!
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    Quote Originally Posted by trofimus View Post
    Can you tell me the gospel according to you?
    Your question is already answered in post # 1571 did you not see it? Jesus is the Gospel and he is the Word of God. The Word of God is the Gospel and we are to live by EVERY Word of it. Only by BELIEVING and FOLLOWING God's Word do we have LIFE if we DO NOT BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's Word we are still in our sins and do NOT KNOW Him who loves all.
    Only God knows you and if you are following Him or not. He bids all to come and many a called but few are chosen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LoveGodForever View Post
    COLOSSIANS 2:14-17 PART 2/2 THE REAL TRUTH

    COL. 2:14 and EPH 2. 15
    What is the meaning of the handwriting of “ORDINANCES” that was blotted out and nailed to the cross?

    GREEK meaning; blotting out (G1813; ἐξαλείφω; exaleiphō; ex-al-i'-fo; means to obliterate; erase; wipe away) the handwriting of ordinances which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way nailing it to the cross. The Greek words used here is handwriting G5498 χειρόγραφον; cheirographon; which means; hand written legal document which is combined with ordinance G1378 δόγμα dogma dog'-mah From the base of G1380; which means; civil, ceremonial or ecclesiastical law: - decree; The Greek meaning of handwriting of ordinances in V14 is a hand written legal document or book of civil, ceremonial and ecclesiastical laws. These are the laws referred to in verse 14 that have been erased and are nailed to the cross.

    The handwriting of ORDINANCES {Mosaic laws for meat and drink offerings and annual festivals that have their fulfilment in Jesus} has been blotted out. They were the shadows. They were all prophetic in nature, teaching the plan of salvation which pointing to Jesus as the true lamb of God and our great high priest and His Work on our behalf in the Heavenly Sanctuary. (Leviticus 1; 3-12; 14-17; 22-23; Number 6-8; 15; 28-29; Deut 12; 33; Ex 25:8; John 1:29; 36; Rev 5:6; 1Cor 5:6-7; Heb 8:2-13; 9:1-28)

    HEBREWS 9 [1] Then verily THE FIRST COVENANT HAD ALSO ORDINANCES of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.... [9] WHICH WAS A FIGURE for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;[10] WHICH STOOD ONLY IN MEATS AND DRINKS, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.[12] NEITHER BY THE BLOOD OF GOATS AND CALVES, BUT BY HIS OWN BLOOD he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

    The first covenant had ORDINANCES which stood ONLY in meat and drink offerings which were a figure. A shadow

    EZEKIEL 46 [14] And thou shalt prepare a meat offering for it every morning, the sixth part of an ephah, and the third part of an hin of oil, to temper with the fine flour; a MEAT OFFERING continually by a perpetual ORDINANCE unto the LORD.

    Meat offering by ordinance. There ya go. Hebrews 9 was ofcourse correct

    HEBREWS 10 [1] For THE LAW HAVING A SHADOW of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with THOSE SACRIFICES WHICH THEY OFFERED YEAR BY YEAR continually make the comers thereunto perfect.[2] For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.[3] But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.[4] For IT IS NOT POSSIBLE THAT THE BLOOD OF BULLS AND OF GOATS SHOULD TAKE AWAY SINS.

    Hebrews 10 says it all. The shadow of the law was the offerings (the meat and drink offerings). Hebrews 10{1} says that plain and clear. The Word does not say the Sabbath was the shadow of Christ which really makes no sense at all

    NUMBERS 19 [2] This is the ORDINANCE OF THE LAW which the Lord hath commanded, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, that they bring thee a red heifer without spot, wherein is no blemish, and upon which never came yoke:

    Before Christ the red heifers lived their lives in fear and trembling, thinking they might be next offering. No worries no more.

    JOHN 6 [55] For my flesh is MEAT indeed, and my blood is DRINK indeed.

    We are no longer under the law concerning the meat and drink offerings {the shadow}. Jesus FULFILLED that portion of the law. Its all grace now! Jesus Himself said “For my flesh is MEAT indeed, and my blood is DRINK indeed”.

    COL. 2 [16] Let no man therefore judge you in MEAT, or in DRINK, or in respect of an HOLYDAY, or of the NEW MOON, or of the SABBATH DAYS:

    Col.2 {16} is used by all Sunday morning denominations so as to rid themselves of Gods Sabbath day. It’s also used to go against Gods laws concerning eating unclean things such as the portly porker. Can their doctrines be found in the scriptures by looking at the followers of the RISEN Christ?

    ACTS 17 [2] AND PAUL, AS HIS MANNER WAS, went in unto them, and three SABBATH DAYS reasoned with them out of the scriptures,[3] Opening and alleging, that Christ must needs have suffered, and risen again from the dead; and that this Jesus, whom I preach unto you, is Christ.

    Paul as his manner was... still keeping the Sabbath…………………..

    ACTS 10 [11] And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth: [12] Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air. [13] And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat. [14] BUT PETER SAID, NOT SO, LORD; FOR I HAVE NEVER EATEN ANY THING THAT IS COMMON OR UNCLEAN.

    Peter refused to eat the unclean thing even after the risen Christ………………..

    ACTS 10 [28] And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but GOD HATH SHEWED ME THAT I SHOULD NOT CALL ANY MAN COMMON OR UNCLEAN.

    Verse 28 explains the great sheet. No man is now unclean…………………………….

    JOEL 1 [13] Gird yourselves, and lament, YE PRIESTS: howl, YE MINISTERS of the altar: come, lie all night in sackcloth, ye ministers of my God: for THE MEAT OFFERING AND THE DRINK OFFERING IS WITHHOLDEN FROM THE HOUSE OF YOUR GOD. [14] Sanctify ye a fast, call a solemn assembly, gather the elders and all the inhabitants of the land into the house of the Lord your God, and cry unto the Lord, [15] Alas for the day! for the day of the Lord is at hand, and as a destruction from the Almighty shall it come.

    Doesn’t look good for some, come the Day of the Lord.

    NUMBERS 18 [8] And the LORD spake unto Aaron, Behold, I also have given thee the charge of mine heave offerings of all the hallowed things of the children of Israel; unto thee have I given them by reason of the anointing, and to thy sons, BY AN ORDINANCE for ever.[9] This shall be thine of the most holy things, reserved from the fire: EVERY OBLATION of theirs, EVERY MEAT OFFERING of theirs, and EVERY SIN OFFERING of theirs, and every trespass offering of theirs, which they shall render unto me, shall be most holy for thee and for thy sons.

    Above scripture confirms that the offerings are also called oblations

    ISAIAH 1 [10] Hear the word of the LORD, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah.[11] To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I AM FULL OF THE BURNT OFFERINGS of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.[12] When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?[13] BRING NO MORE VAIN OBLATIONS; incense is an abomination unto me; THE NEW MOONS AND SABBATHS, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.[14] Your new moons and your APPOINTED FEASTS my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.

    Bring no more vain oblations in the new moons and the monthly and annual ceremonial Sabbath feast days. WHY? Because Jesus nailed these offerings (oblations) to the cross. The 10 commandments (Exodus 20:1-17) were never nailed to the cross only our sins were through Jesus and the ceremonial laws of Moses that were used for the forgiveness of sins along with the feast days that pointed to the life, death, resurrection and ministration of Jesus as the lamb of God and our great High Priest in the Heavenly Sanctuary.

    HEBREWS 10 [7] Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God. [8] Above when he said, SACRIFICE AND OFFERING AND BURNT OFFERINGS AND OFFERING FOR SIN THOU WOULDEST NOT, NEITHER HADST PLEASURE THEREIN; WHICH ARE OFFERED BY THE LAW; [9] Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. HE TAKETH AWAY THE FIRST, WHICH HE MAY ESTABLISH THE SECOND. [10] By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. [11] And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: [12] But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

    Hebrews 10 explains exactly what Isaiah 1 was speaking about. He takes away the 1st covenant {the meat and drink offerings} and established the 2nd covenant {the body of Christ}

    The new covenant is all about the blood of Christ. Not changing the law....but fulfilling the law

    ZECH.9 [9] Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, THY KING COMETH UNTO THEE: HE IS JUST, AND HAVING SALVATION; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.[10] And I will cut off the chariot from Ephraim, and the horse from Jerusalem, and the battle bow shall be cut off: and he shall speak peace unto the heathen: and his dominion shall be from sea even to sea, and from river even to the ends of the earth.[11] As for thee also, BY THE BLOOD OF THY COVENANT I have sent forth thy prisoners out of the pit wherein is no water

    Verse 9 definitely prophecies of the coming Jesus. Verse 11, Jesus is called the blood of thy covenant

    HEBREWS 12 [23] To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,[24] And to Jesus THE MEDIATOR OF THE NEW COVENANT, AND TO THE BLOOD of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

    New covenant...blood

    LUKE 22 [19] And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me. [20] Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, THIS CUP IS THE NEW TESTAMENT IN MY BLOOD, which is shed for you.

    New testament...blood

    HEBRE WS 9 [1] Then verily THE FIRST COVENANT HAD ALSO ORDINANCES of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary. [9] Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;[10] WHICH STOOD ONLY IN MEATS AND DRINKS, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.[12] NEITHER BY THE BLOOD OF GOATS AND CALVES, BUT BY HIS OWN BLOOD he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

    Old covenant...blood of goats.....The meat and drink offerings. There is that word “ordinance” (dogma) being used again which means; civil, ceremonial or ecclesiastical Mosaic laws: that were written in the book (Ephesians 2:15 and Colossians 2:14)

    HEBREWS [4] FOR IT IS NOT POSSIBLE THAT THE BLOOD OF BULLS AND OF GOATS SHOULD TAKE AWAY SINS.[5] Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:[6] In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.[7] Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.[8] Above when he said, sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;[9] Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. HE TAKETH AWAY THE FIRST THAT HE MAY ESTABLISH THE SECOND.

    He taketh away the first {covenant}, that he may establish the second.

    JOHN 6 [53] [54] Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. [55] For MY FLESH IS MEAT INDEED, and MY BLOOD IS DRINK INDEED.

    And there’s the 2nd……………….

    MATTHEW 5 [17] Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. [18] For verily I say unto you, till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

    Jesus did not come to change or destroy the God's Law (10 commandments). The Sabbath is still to be kept. He came to fulfill what was written of Him in the books of the law.
    To my knowledge only 2 type of sabbath

    1. Weekly sabbath

    lev 23

    3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the Lord in all your dwellings.

    2. Yearly sabbath

    24 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation.
    25 Ye shall do no servile work therein: but ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the Lord.



    in Leviticus both of them in the same spelling. It is sabbath singular

    than why colosians 2 say sabbath days ( plural day)more than one type of sabbath?

    because both ( yearly sabbath and weekly sabbath) are shadow of Christ

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    Quote Originally Posted by LoveGodForever View Post
    Your question is already answered in post # 1571 did you not see it? Jesus is the Gospel and he is the Word of God. The Word of God is the Gospel and we are to live by EVERY Word of it. Only by BELIEVING and FOLLOWING God's Word do we have LIFE if we DO NOT BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's Word we are still in our sins and do NOT KNOW Him who loves all.
    Only God knows you and if you are following Him or not. He bids all to come and many a called but few are chosen.
    Gospel originally means "good news".

    1. How is "you must live by every word of..." or "you must follow all of..." a good news?

    2. Also, how was this even news to Jews who already had such system of "you must do this and that to live"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackson123 View Post
    To my knowledge only 2 type of sabbath

    1. Weekly sabbath

    lev 23

    3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the Lord in all your dwellings.

    2. Yearly sabbath

    24 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation.
    25 Ye shall do no servile work therein: but ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the Lord.



    in Leviticus both of them in the same spelling. It is sabbath singular

    than why colosians 2 say sabbath days ( plural day)more than one type of sabbath?

    because both ( yearly sabbath and weekly sabbath) are shadow of Christ
    You make an excellent point. Not by way of argument but for information only:

    There is also the Levitical Sabbath included in many of the appointed times ( 'feasts'.)
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    I think that the problem with all threads of this type is that we are not at all likely to persuade any law keeper of his/her error.

    After we have refuted the principle, for the sake of the ungrounded; we should probably leave the law keeping threads to the law keepers and let them pat each other on the back until they get bored.

    Responding to these posts is as fruitless as feeding trolls.
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    17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackson123 View Post
    To my knowledge only 2 type of sabbath

    1. Weekly sabbath

    lev 23

    3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the Lord in all your dwellings.

    2. Yearly sabbath

    24 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation.
    25 Ye shall do no servile work therein: but ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the Lord.

    in Leviticus both of them in the same spelling. It is sabbath singular

    than why colosians 2 say sabbath days ( plural day)more than one type of sabbath?

    because both ( yearly sabbath and weekly sabbath) are shadow of Christ
    Hi Brother Jackson,

    Some of this reply to your question is from another post and some is different but all together should help answer your question. The short version is that God's Sabbath only falls on every 7th day of the week (Exodus 20:8-11) the annual festival special Sabbaths that use the same English word SABBATH are different in meaning and are called special SABBATHS and can fall on ANY day of the week. There is more than one of them as they are connected to different festivals hence plural. Sabbaths or Sabbath days. (Col 2:16)

    There are different HEBREW Words used for the same English word given for Sabbath lets have a look at them. Let's have a look at the different Hebrew words that are used for English word for SABBATH starting with the ROOT word REST from Genesis then the Hebrew Word for Sabbath found in the 10 commandments (Exodus 20:8-11) then look at the Hebrew word for annual ceremonial Sabbaths of Leviticus. All these have different Hebrew words and have different meanings but use the same English word for Sabbath.................

    If you look up the Hebrew word for SABBATH you will find that the base word for SABBATH is REST (H7676) you will see that it comes from the ROOT or base word of REST which is H7673 in the Strong's Hebrew dictionary which has its origin from the creation week in Genesis 2:1-3.......................


    Genesis 2:1-3; RESTED which is in reference to the 7th day of the creation week meaning H7673 שָׁבַת; shabath (shaw-ɓath') v. to repose, i.e. to cease from exertion. KJV: (cause to, let, make to) cease, celebrate, cause (make) to fail, keep sabbath, suffer to be lacking, leave, put away (down), (make to) rest, rid, still, take away.

    The commandment uses a different Hebrew word from H7673 which is H7676 and means from one Sabbath to the next Sabbath is to be RESTED cease from work on the 7th day of the Week…..

    Exodus 20:8-11; SABBATH meaning H7676 שַׁבָּתshabbath (shab-bawth') n-e.1. intermission, a period of temporary rest.2. (specifically) the Sabbath, the seventh day being the day of rest. [intensive from H7673]KJV: (+ every) sabbath. Root(s): H7673

    Now please pay attention to the Hebrew word used for the annual ceremonial festival SABBATH'S which uses a DIFFERENT Hebrew Word from God's 4th commandment above. This is not H7676 the ceremonial SABBATH Hebrew Word is H7677 and has a different meaning because it is NOT the same as God's 4th commandment......

    Leviticus 23: 3; 24; 32 SABBATH and RESTED separate or together meaning H7677 שׁבּתון shabbâthôn shab-baw-thone' From H7676; a sabbatism or special holiday: - rest, sabbath.


    So the base meaning of Sabbath from God's 4th commandment in the Hebrew is to rest from work (Gen) the commandment is every 7th day rest from work and THEN WE HAVE THE SPECIAL FESTIVAL SABBATH(S) <more than one different Hebrew meaning H7677> OF THE MOSAIC ANNUAL FEASTIVAL LAWS, THAT WERE NOT THE 7TH DAY SABBATH OF THE 4th COMMANDMENT AND COULD FALL ON ANY DAY OF THE WEEK. (John 19:31 see also High Sabbaths Wiki)

    The purpose and difference between the Sabbath of God's 4th commandment and the Monthly or Annual Special Festival Sabbaths


    1. The ceremonial Sabbaths of the law of Moses is a special Sabbath and also uses a different Hebrew Word called meaning H7677 שׁבּתון shabbâthôn shab-baw-thone' From H7676; a sabbatism or special holiday: - rest, sabbath. This sabbath can fall on any day of the seek and is only used in the annual Jewish festivals of Feasts of Trumpets (Lev 23:24) or Day of Atonement (Lev 23:32 or Feast of Booths (Lev 23:39). These feasts are N OT fulfilled and Shadows of things to come Col 2 v17 (e.g. 2nd coming, close of probation and judgement and God's people saved from their temporary dwelling on earth to the earth made new) NOTE: Col v17, Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. It is NOT fulfilled and has NOT finished and IS to COME. These are temporary Shadow Sabbaths showing the plan of salvation.

    2. God's 4th commandment Sabbath which is one of the 10 commandments (Exodus 20:8-11). The Hebrew word use here for Sabbath has a DIFFERENT Hebrew word used compared to the ceremonial Sabbath of H7677. The Hebrew Word used here is H7676 and
    means H7676שַׁבָּתshabbath (shab-bawth') n-e.1. intermission, a period of temporary rest.2. (specifically) the Sabbath, the seventh day being the day of rest. [intensive from H7673]KJV: (+ every) sabbath. Root(s): H7673. The root word comes from H7673 which comes from the creation week of Genesis 2:1-3 and means shabath (shaw-ɓath') v.to repose, i.e. to cease from exertion.KJV: (cause to, let, make to) cease, celebrate, cause (make) to fail, keep (sabbath), suffer to be lacking, leave, put away (down), (make to) rest, rid, still, take away. This is God's Sabbath it is a memorial of creation and part of a FINISHED WORK BEFORE SIN entered the WORLD. If it is part of a FINISHED work BEFORE SIN then it cannot be a part of the plan of salvation because it was BEFORE the fall of mankind. Just like all the other 10 commandments God's Word says they are FOREVER and the very standard of SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS and the JUDGEMENT to come.

    The Law of God (10 commandments) which includes the 4th commandment is the work of God (Exodus 32:16) whatsoever God does is FOREVER nothing can be added to it or taken away (Ecclesiastes 3:14). God's Law is perfect converting the soul (Psalms 19:7). It is the very standard of the Old and New Covenants (Exodus 20:1:17, Hebrews 8:10-12). God's Law was spoken by Go d himself to His people (Exodus 20:1-22). J esus says Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away (Matthew 25:35). Gods Law is still in force today (Psalms 111:7-8, Revel ation 12:17, 14:12, 22:14, 1 John 3:5-8, 1 John 2:3-4 etc.). The Law of God reveals sin to us so we can see ourselves as we truly are sinners in need of a Savior (Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4). It is the great standard of the judgement ( Ecclesiastes 12:13-14, James 2:10-12, 1 John 3:4, Acts 17:31). God's Law is our teacher revealing sin and the character of God and brings us to Christ at the fo ot of the cross that we might be saved by faith by Him who loves us and washed us in His own blood (Galatians 3:24; Revelation 1:5). God's people keep all the commandments of God including the Sabbath even in the NEW EARTH (Rev 12:17; 14:12; 22:14; Isaiah 66:23)

    That is the difference between the ceremonial special Sabbaths that are shadows of things to come and God's 4th commandment which God's Word says is God's Sabbath is FOREVER and the ceremonial Sabbaths are temporary SHADOWS to come and not yet fulfilled.

    They are plural because they are more then one special Sabbath H7677 linked to different FESTIVALS that is why the plural word of SABBATH DAYS is used in Col 2:16

    Hope this is helpful

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcR View Post
    I think that the problem with all threads of this type is that we are not at all likely to persuade any law keeper of his/her error. After we have refuted the principle, for the sake of the ungrounded; we should probably leave the law keeping threads to the law keepers and let them pat each other on the back until they get bored. Responding to these posts is as fruitless as feeding trolls.
    Hello MarC,

    Would you like to clarify what you are saying in the post above? No one is saying or telling anyone here that they are saved by anything that they do so why say such things? We are ONLY saved by GRACE through FAITH and NOT of OURSELVES it is a GIFT OF GOD and not of WORKS Lest any man should boast (Ephesians 2:8)

    It's never been about following the law its always been about following Christ by faith through love alone. Faith that works by love is what fulfills God's Law in those that walk in His Spirit (Romans 13:8-10).

    Obedience is only the fruit of faith and a sign that someone is genuinely following God's Word (Matthew 7:17-27). If you seek obedience without faith you will never attain it because this is the gift of God written on the heart (Ephesians 2:8; Galatians 2:16; Hebrews 8:10-12).

    But if you believe God's Word, your faith will be counted for righteousness in God's eyes (Romans 1:17; Philippians 3:9). If your faith does not have the fruit of obedience (God's work in you) than you are still in your sins and have not seen him or known him and your faith is dead (Philippians 2:13; Hebrews 10:26-27; 1 John 2:2-4; 1 John 3:3-9).

    What we are talking about is SIN and how SIN will keep all who practice it OUT of God's Kingdom. If you profess to have saving FAITH but your faith does NOT have the FRUIT of OBEDIENCE to God's Word then your faith is DEAD and you are still in your SINS and do not KNOW him who calls us in LOVE to LOVE all as he first LOVED us. LOVE is the fulfilling of the LAW in those who walk by FAITH in God's Spirit. (James 2:18; 20; 26; Romans 13:8-10; 1 John 3:3-10; James 2:8-12; Matthew 7:13-20)

    There are only two classes of people spoken about in God's Word. These are those that follow God by Faith through LOVE and those that do not. Those that do NOT BELIEVE have rejected His Word. Those that have NOT Heard the WORD are ignorant and God winks at. Those that have heard the Word however and have rejected God's Word are UNBELIEVERS and unless they repent and confess their SINS they WILL NOT Enter into God's Kingdom (Hebrews 10:26-27)

    Do you believe God's Word and do you love Jesus? What side will you be on?

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