Is the Bible inerrant inspired word of God?
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I think Angela makes a lot of good points, and you could add a lot more points to this list to support it.
I think the traditional orthodox view is that everything the authors penned was inspired, and was intended by God to be on the page.
Just to be clear, I like Trofimus just fine, but I'll have to disagree with some of his views on scripture.
By your own words you don't even believe all of Scripture, you pick and choose which context to place yourself into, and out of and mishandle the word. We've already been through this, you're in grave error on many things.
And please, don't address me with your cultic deceptions about the errant version you implement any longer. It's to ad nauseam. Thank you.
And please, don't address me with your cultic deceptions about the errant version you implement any longer. It's to ad nauseam. Thank you.
No, not according to me, according to Scripture. Gather me some fathers that were solid that teach what you do about the above passage, that is wasn't Scripture that Paul was preaching.
The same things you hold in your hand are the same things Paul preached. Face it, your idea of the word of God is not exactly biblical.
Your ideas here lend to Catholic beliefs. Are you swimming in the Tiber?
The same things you hold in your hand are the same things Paul preached. Face it, your idea of the word of God is not exactly biblical.
Your ideas here lend to Catholic beliefs. Are you swimming in the Tiber?
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I believe that the scriptures, the original writings of the holy men of God who received the revelation as to what to write, are flawless, 100% pure and accurate. Unfortunately, there are no surviving autographs. All we have today are copies of copies. I cannot remember the exact number, but there are something like 6000 Greek manuscripts of the NT, and no two of them match exactly. But I believe that with careful analysis, and the aid of computers, we can put together an extremely accurate copy of the Greek NT. As I understand it, the confidence in the accuracy of the Hebrew scriptures (the OT) is generally very high.
But even if we had a flawless copy of both the Hebrew and the Greek scriptures, there is still the problem of translation. Translation is difficult work. Often equally qualified translators will disagree on the best way to translate a phrase or verse. And no matter how honest the translators try to be with the text, there will still be situations where the theology of the translator gets brought over into their translation.
That said, I believe we can read almost any translation of the Bible (KJV, ESV, NIV, NJB, and others) and come to understand the gospel. The Bible is trustworthy.
But even if we had a flawless copy of both the Hebrew and the Greek scriptures, there is still the problem of translation. Translation is difficult work. Often equally qualified translators will disagree on the best way to translate a phrase or verse. And no matter how honest the translators try to be with the text, there will still be situations where the theology of the translator gets brought over into their translation.
That said, I believe we can read almost any translation of the Bible (KJV, ESV, NIV, NJB, and others) and come to understand the gospel. The Bible is trustworthy.
Oh, hey trofimus, here's the proof and to what Paul was referring to in 1 Thessalonians 2:13, it is the background of what happened:
Act 17:1 Now when they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where there was a synagogue of the Jews.
Act 17:2 And Paul went in, as was his custom, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures,
Act 17:3 explaining and proving that it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead, and saying, “This Jesus, whom I proclaim to you, is the Christ.”
Act 17:4 And some of them were persuaded and joined Paul and Silas, as did a great many of the devout Greeks and not a few of the leading women.
He reminds them again of this event here:
And we also thank God constantly for this, that when you received the word of God, which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men but as what it really is, the word of God, which is at work in you believers. -1 Thessalonians 2:13
Like I told you, and as Scripture says, Paul preached to them the Word of God, which is, again, just like I stated, the Scriptures.
Why not just concede, for once, and accept being refuted without calling another "angry" over it? LOL???
Act 17:1 Now when they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where there was a synagogue of the Jews.
Act 17:2 And Paul went in, as was his custom, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures,
Act 17:3 explaining and proving that it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead, and saying, “This Jesus, whom I proclaim to you, is the Christ.”
Act 17:4 And some of them were persuaded and joined Paul and Silas, as did a great many of the devout Greeks and not a few of the leading women.
He reminds them again of this event here:
And we also thank God constantly for this, that when you received the word of God, which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men but as what it really is, the word of God, which is at work in you believers. -1 Thessalonians 2:13
Like I told you, and as Scripture says, Paul preached to them the Word of God, which is, again, just like I stated, the Scriptures.
Why not just concede, for once, and accept being refuted without calling another "angry" over it? LOL???
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Luke 1:1-4 is a example of inspired Words written by a man using his own words to relay the message. like wise there are many statements of narrative aspects of the message within the bible.
1Many have undertaken to compose an account of the things that have been fulfilled among us, 2just as they were handed down to us by the initial eyewitnesses and servants of the word. 3Therefore, having carefully investigated everything from the beginning, it seemed good also to me to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, 4so that you may know the certainty of the things you have been taught.
1Many have undertaken to compose an account of the things that have been fulfilled among us, 2just as they were handed down to us by the initial eyewitnesses and servants of the word. 3Therefore, having carefully investigated everything from the beginning, it seemed good also to me to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, 4so that you may know the certainty of the things you have been taught.
2 Tim 3:16-17 has already been presented to demonstrate that the bible came not by the will of man but by the determinate will of Jehovah God. Many times God tells us how His word is perfect and eternal.
Jesus when He was about to leave and return to heaven said He was leaving the Holy Spirit to open the word of God to us and to give is the truth from the word of God.
Now if you do not believe that the bible is the word of God and is completely reliable, inerrant and complete you really have a problem. Faith the faith that is critical to salvation is produced by hearing the word of God. You know Romans 10:17.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Jesus when He was about to leave and return to heaven said He was leaving the Holy Spirit to open the word of God to us and to give is the truth from the word of God.
Now if you do not believe that the bible is the word of God and is completely reliable, inerrant and complete you really have a problem. Faith the faith that is critical to salvation is produced by hearing the word of God. You know Romans 10:17.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Indeed your are correct, the first step is (hearing the Word of God) not the other way around (to read the word of God first).
without this basic step towards God then you will have a hard time getting the message from the book, it would be just simple words with no message and meaning about from it.
without this basic step towards God then you will have a hard time getting the message from the book, it would be just simple words with no message and meaning about from it.
The real issue is were does the enemy attack Christians, it is in just as the thread says, and people love their bible versions for example KJV lovers will debate and argue and fight over with the NIV lovers and so on, there are over a hundred bible translations, who can say with 100% accuracy that their bible is error free without mistranslations etc. ? none
people don't even know that is were the enemies play ground is, how many people can satan get to argue and fuss over what bible is the correct inerrant word of God. satan is interested changing hearts and creating malice, animosities and frustrations over the bible. when people get upset over what bible is the correct bible to read, he wins and Christians lose that's the sad thing about it.
people don't even know that is were the enemies play ground is, how many people can satan get to argue and fuss over what bible is the correct inerrant word of God. satan is interested changing hearts and creating malice, animosities and frustrations over the bible. when people get upset over what bible is the correct bible to read, he wins and Christians lose that's the sad thing about it.