Speaking in Tongues (Privately, Outside of Church)
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Sometimes the prodigal needs to eat husks for a while before they can appreciate the meat of the word of God. Some never develop a taste for the sincere milk of Gods word.
You continue to judge so you will be judged accordingly. May He be as gracious to you as He has to me.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
You continue to judge so you will be judged accordingly. May He be as gracious to you as He has to me.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
I wasn’t going to write about this, but the more I thought about it, the more it seemed to fit into the discussion. Normally, I wouldn’t have given it much thought, but this thread seemed to really jump out at me as if to say, “this is a perfect example of what I’m talking about!” Anyway…
Had an interesting experience a few weekends ago.
Without all the boring details, I am an adult Scouter and part of a branch of Scouting called the Order of the Arrow (sort of like Scouting’s National Honor Society of sorts). In short, the OA does a lot of volunteer work.
One recent event involved an outdoor food pantry in the inner city, such that it is here (a typically freezing New England November day to be outside, I might add). The event was put on by a religious organization, and at one point, a guy got up in the back of an empty box truck with speakers and a mic, and started preaching to the crowd – nothing wrong with that, but here’s the thing that struck me…. .conservatively, I would estimate that between 90-95% of the people there getting the food were immigrants (mainly Hispanics, Somalians, and Bosnians, amongst others) and did not speak more than a few words of English, indeed if any at all.
For a second, I thought that dude is kind of wasting his breath; 95% of the people here don't understand a bloody word he’s saying!
Then it hit me, I thought that this was exactly like a “reverse Corinth” in a way – here you had a person speaking “in a tongue” (English), and ‘from the Spirit’ (obviously putting his heart and spirit into it) to a crowd to whom he was ‘uttering mysteries’ (the majority had no clue what he was saying – it was kind of sadly obvious) and thus ‘speaking only to God’ (well, and to those few who understood English, but you kind of get the point). Obviously, the guy speaking knew exactly what he was saying – it was his native language.
If you can imagine the above in the reverse, i.e. the crowd was all mainly of one language, but the person/people speaking were the foreigners praying in their native languages to a crowd who did not understand a word they were saying, you have what the language situation in Corinth must have been like.
The end result was like a “live demo” illustrating a very real issue with respect to language, understanding, and communication when it comes to a ‘worship setting’; only in Corinth, the situation would have been considerably worse. But more to the point, it also further illustrates ‘tongues’ being just normal real language(s) – nothing more complicated than that.
Had an interesting experience a few weekends ago.
Without all the boring details, I am an adult Scouter and part of a branch of Scouting called the Order of the Arrow (sort of like Scouting’s National Honor Society of sorts). In short, the OA does a lot of volunteer work.
One recent event involved an outdoor food pantry in the inner city, such that it is here (a typically freezing New England November day to be outside, I might add). The event was put on by a religious organization, and at one point, a guy got up in the back of an empty box truck with speakers and a mic, and started preaching to the crowd – nothing wrong with that, but here’s the thing that struck me…. .conservatively, I would estimate that between 90-95% of the people there getting the food were immigrants (mainly Hispanics, Somalians, and Bosnians, amongst others) and did not speak more than a few words of English, indeed if any at all.
For a second, I thought that dude is kind of wasting his breath; 95% of the people here don't understand a bloody word he’s saying!
Then it hit me, I thought that this was exactly like a “reverse Corinth” in a way – here you had a person speaking “in a tongue” (English), and ‘from the Spirit’ (obviously putting his heart and spirit into it) to a crowd to whom he was ‘uttering mysteries’ (the majority had no clue what he was saying – it was kind of sadly obvious) and thus ‘speaking only to God’ (well, and to those few who understood English, but you kind of get the point). Obviously, the guy speaking knew exactly what he was saying – it was his native language.
If you can imagine the above in the reverse, i.e. the crowd was all mainly of one language, but the person/people speaking were the foreigners praying in their native languages to a crowd who did not understand a word they were saying, you have what the language situation in Corinth must have been like.
The end result was like a “live demo” illustrating a very real issue with respect to language, understanding, and communication when it comes to a ‘worship setting’; only in Corinth, the situation would have been considerably worse. But more to the point, it also further illustrates ‘tongues’ being just normal real language(s) – nothing more complicated than that.
We had this same wonderful experience on a mission trip about 9 months ago. We took a group of young adults to Uganda. One of the young ladies had never been on a mission trip and ask to sing in a village that nobody understood English and she did not know Bantu. But she udnerstood what they were syaing after she sang and they udnerstood here when she sang.
15 people came to Jesus when this happened, Praise God, hallelujah!
15 people came to Jesus when this happened, Praise God, hallelujah!
no he did not Solomon said "Fear of the Lord is the beginning of Knowledge and wisdom. Your human reasoning prevents you from Contextual meaning of "The Gifts of the Holy Spirit ". you allegorize scripture to attack what you do not agree with. As you misquote and clearly wrong about Solomon BUt do not take my word for it read Prov. 1:7 Prov 9:10 .
Pr 4:7 Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.
I only reason from the scripture not from what I want the scripture to say. Without knowledge there is no understanding and without understanding there is no wisdom. Edification cannot be received without understanding, knowledge and wisdom.
The Holy Spirit is the gift given to all men who believe.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
I only reason from the scripture not from what I want the scripture to say. Without knowledge there is no understanding and without understanding there is no wisdom. Edification cannot be received without understanding, knowledge and wisdom.
The Holy Spirit is the gift given to all men who believe.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
The Holy Spirit leads us through the word of God.
Ps 119:105 NUN. Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.
We do not walk without knowledge. Those who endeavor to do so are not walking in the light of Gods truth but in the darkness of self deception.
The Holy Spirit produces the fruit of the Holy Spirit in all He does.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Ps 119:105 NUN. Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.
We do not walk without knowledge. Those who endeavor to do so are not walking in the light of Gods truth but in the darkness of self deception.
The Holy Spirit produces the fruit of the Holy Spirit in all He does.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
You seem to be arguing against the word of God. Apart from understanding the word of God you have no fear of God. You have reverential trust through what you understand of God through His word.
Edification is produced when the Holy Spirit enables understanding where there is a conflict in languages.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Edification is produced when the Holy Spirit enables understanding where there is a conflict in languages.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
The word, word in Rom 10:17 is Rhema, not logos. We can play all day brother.
Faith comes by hearing the voice of God, not the Bible, in this verse.
How can you claim the word, word in the Bible means the completed finished Bible we have today?
The word is Jesus. When you mature to understand this, you will then see what I am saying to you.
Faith comes by hearing the voice of God, not the Bible, in this verse.
How can you claim the word, word in the Bible means the completed finished Bible we have today?
The word is Jesus. When you mature to understand this, you will then see what I am saying to you.
Hebrews 1:1 ¶ God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
Ps 119:11 Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee.
Why would you claim anything else?
Jesus is the Word made flesh. You know that because the word the bible teaches you and the Holy Spirit makes the truth known.
Keep the gospel simple so you don't confuse yourself.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
Ps 119:11 Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee.
Why would you claim anything else?
Jesus is the Word made flesh. You know that because the word the bible teaches you and the Holy Spirit makes the truth known.
Keep the gospel simple so you don't confuse yourself.
For the cause of Christ
Roger