Speaking in Tongues (Privately, Outside of Church)

[Waggles]

the words "the gospel" in my KJV

80 verses found, 86 matches

Matthew 3 verses found 3 matches
Mark 7 verses found 7 matches
Luke 4 verses found 4 matches
Acts 6 verses found 6 matches
Romans 11 verses found 11 matches
1 Corinthians 9 verses found 13 matches
2 Corinthians 5 verses found 5 matches
Galatians 7 verses found 8 matches
Ephesians 4 verses found 4 matches
Philippians 8 verses found 9 matches
Colossians 2 verses found 2 matches
1 Thessalonians 5 verses found 5 matches
2 Thessalonians 1 verse found 1 match
2 Timothy 2 verses found 2 matches
Philemon 1 verse found 1 match
Hebrews 1 verse found 1 match
1 Peter 4 verses found 4 matches

 

[Waggles]

Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did
minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that
have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost
sent down from heaven;
which things the angels desire to look into.
1 Peter 1:12

 

[garee]

Really? That is only part of the message of Galatians ...

2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law,
or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
Galatians 3:

The words "the gospel" appears throughout Acts and the epistles.
What gospel is this?
In my NT there is only one gospel written and preached by the Apostles and
lived by all disciples remaining steadfast in the faith.

Acts 2:38 with the sign of confirmation > speaking in a new tongue.

43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name
whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them
which heard the word.
45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished,
as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out
the gift of the Holy Ghost.
46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God.
Then answered Peter,
47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized,
which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord.
Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
Acts 10:

compare with Acts 19:1-7

5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men,
as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
6 That the Gentiles should be fellow heirs, and of the same body, and
partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
Ephesians 3:

Is there a difference between walking by faith that alone comes by hearing God and walking by sight according to your gospel?

Is God a man that we can see?

 

[garee]

the words "the gospel" in my KJV

80 verses found, 86 matches

Matthew 3 verses found 3 matches
Mark 7 verses found 7 matches
Luke 4 verses found 4 matches
Acts 6 verses found 6 matches
Romans 11 verses found 11 matches
1 Corinthians 9 verses found 13 matches
2 Corinthians 5 verses found 5 matches
Galatians 7 verses found 8 matches
Ephesians 4 verses found 4 matches
Philippians 8 verses found 9 matches
Colossians 2 verses found 2 matches
1 Thessalonians 5 verses found 5 matches
2 Thessalonians 1 verse found 1 match
2 Timothy 2 verses found 2 matches
Philemon 1 verse found 1 match
Hebrews 1 verse found 1 match
1 Peter 4 verses found 4 matches

Ok so it good news is used 86 times. And?

 

[notuptome]

Pentecost is the one and only gospel and doctrine of the New Testament.
One faith, one doctrine, one baptism, one experience common to all,
one Lord.

Acts 2:38-39 with the Bible evidence of speaking in tongues.

There was no other. NO Roman Catholics. NO Orthodox churches.
NO Protestant churches. NO American TV ministries.

In the beginning there was only Pentecostalism.
Born new by water and Holy Spirit baptism with the Bible evidence of
converts speaking out in tongues.

When Jesus said "these signs shall follow them
that believe" he really meant it.

There is no Pentecostal gospel. Pentecost is an event where the Holy Spirit filled the apostles so they could declare the gospel of Jesus Christ. To declare before the crowd assembled that day that Jesus was the promised Messiah of God come to redeem sinful man.

Tongues were evidenced in the book of Acts so that Jewish people would know that the Gentiles being saved were being saved according to the very same gospel that the Jews were being saved. God moved in this fashion so that the Jews could not claim that the Gentiles were not being saved by Jehovah God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[notuptome]

Ok so it good news is used 86 times. And?

And he still has no idea of what constitutes the gospel?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[garee]

And he still has no idea of what constitutes the gospel?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

It would seem drinking deadly poison is the good news. It is accompanied by falling backward slain in the spirit, another outward sign sought after. What next? Cutting oneself?

Falling backward is a indication a person is under the judgement of God.

We have to keep bring the gospel and hope God applies to a persons heart.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

If Christians are to seek tongues as a gift, that leaves the door open for people to claim that they sought it, but God did not give it to them. That could leave them thinking that they are not worthy, or that there is some reason, some fault with them, for not receiving it. Also, it would make God a respecter of persons, something He is not.

Manifestations and gifts are not the same thing. EVERY Christian has the gift of the Holy Spirit, enabling him to operate the manifestations of that gift, something God wants all Christians to do.

I believe the Bible is true when Paul, by revelation, said that "I would like all of you to speak in tongues".

He also emphasized that not all did speak in tongues or operate in the gifts of healing. How do you reconcile the two? Also, just because God grants one person something and another nothing doesn't make Him a respecter of persons, it means He is sovereign and as the scripture shows, distributes the gifts severally as He will. He isn't obligated to give a person the gift of prophecy, or a word of knowledge. We can't make a demand of it, either. It is His will. We seek and He grants, if it is His will.

I do like your posts defending the true nature of tongues though, and wanted to at least show my appreciation for the defense you're putting up. Keep it up, its nice to have a person expressing an informed biblical stance.

I have to agree with Shrume . . . I was in the shoes of one that thought they weren't good enough to manifest speaking in tongues. BUT then again, not being taught much in this area, I thought all I had to do was open my mouth and God would speak through me. It's funny now when I think about it . . . I didn't know that I had to utilize regular mechanics of speaking, i.e. moving my mouth, my tongue, my vocal cords and just speak out in faith.

With all that aside . . . The section of scripture that you are talking about is a summary of all that has been said before - just as v11 is a summary of 4-10. v28-31 blend the manifestations and the gift ministries and shows that not everyone will be energized in the same way at the same time - it is not saying that not everyone can speak in tongues or interpret - that would contradict v7 where God says "given to every man". These verses are a conclusion to 1 Cor. 12 in totality - It is the Lord who distributes to every person, at any given time he will energize spiritual gifts and manifestations differently in different people, although each person can manifest all nine manifestations, i.e. at any given time, in any given meeting, not every person will DO EVERYTHING or else things would not be done decently and in order. It is the Lord who distributes and energizes as it pleases him.

Just to expand on the great thread you started. I always love seeing your post! You are a great brother in Christ, Ben!

 

[Enow]

Anybody noticed how the title of the OP is about using tongues privately outside of church but yet the OP applies scripture ( erroneously ) for using tongues privately in church?

What is the point talking about using tongues privately when it benefits no one else when they do use tongues privately? Do tongue speakers need to talk abut using tongues privately when they are already doing it? I do not see the point.

But the point is to convince non-tongue speakers of what they do in using tongues privately, to justify it.

I say this... if tongues were meant to be used privately for the benefit of that tongue speaker, then it is nobody else's business but that individual tongue speaker. To talk about it to other tongue speakers & non-tongue speakers is vain.

As a non-tongue speaker... stop showing off that you can speak in tongues privately.

The only value of God's gift of tongues to others is when it comes with interpretation. So knock it off.

That is why I say the real God's gift of tongues will come with interpretation, because it is foreign languages for speaking unto the people. That is the only kind of supernatural tongue that has value in the body of Christ, and it is not in use today when those same tongue speakers claim they are using that tongue privately too. There is just no way God would manifest tongues to be used privately that would elevate and separate that member from the body of Christ as it does today.

This teaching of tongues to be used privately should fall under the same category as teaching Romans Catholicism; useless.

 

[FrankLee]

I've been praying/speaking in tongues for forty years now. It's a gift of the Holy Spirit when Jesus the baptizer fills you with His Holy Spirit. It's a wonderful gift like everything God gives.

I have a plaque on my living room wall with a interpretation of a message in tongues the Lord gave me on October 29,1979. In short it tells me my wife is with child. We had been married 14 years and were childless. It was medically impossible for my wife to conceive. I'd been saved about two years and right after I was filled with the Holy Spirit which was a few weeks after I'd been saved Jesus began to tell me that He was sending us a son. He was born on June 25th 1980. Nearly nine months after the Lord told me. My wife bought a baby book the same week that Jesus told me she was pregnant by using the gift of tongues and interpretation of tongues.

In Paul the apostle's day the faithless professed believers, (professed but were they?) were already fighting against the gift of the of the baptism of the Holy Spirit and the spiritual gifts He gives. This is why Paul was compelled to command "forbid not to speak with tongues".

The power of tradition is so strong that denominational religion takes up arms against the very word of God. Because the religious denominational church members refuse to believe the word of God it is blaspheme every day.

If a church leader is well educated then somehow that gives him or her the right to speak and teach against the word of God.

This unbelief is not new. They only hurt themselves by not seeking the face of God and allowing others yo tell them what they should believe.

I've heard all the anti-word of God untruths blathered by the denominational religious persons. All the standard untruths.

I've heard that;

1. Tongues are of the devil. Funny that he never did anything like that before I became a born again Christian.

2. God no longer does those things. The day of the baptism in the Holy Spirit and the spiritual gifts like tongues are no longer needed. Ecclesiastes 3:14 is the answer to that.

3. That the tongues have passed away because of the scripture that says "when that which is perfect is come" was fulfilled in the Bible.

There are many more such attacks on God's word but they're fighting against God's word. But God says;

1 Corinthians 14:38-39 KJVS
But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant. [39] Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.

Those unbelievers that fight against the words of God are so captive, so steeped in tradition, religion, unbelief and fear that they cannot seek God in truth for themselves. Thank God for every believer who has the faith to seek God for themselves and not kowtow to the teachings of those denying the very word of God.

Has anyone of these sought God prayerfully on these things? Let one person relate how that God told them in prayer that He has ceased to bestow His spiritual gifts on His children. This won't happen.

God will not contradict Himself. His word, His gifts and calling are forever. The dead traditions of men that Jesus had to fight against when He was here in the flesh are still holding men captive. Amen

And I believe that I also have the spirit of God.

 

[Dino246]

Anybody noticed how the title of the OP is about using tongues privately outside of church but yet the OP applies scripture ( erroneously ) for using tongues privately in church?

What is the point talking about using tongues privately when it benefits no one else when they do use tongues privately? Do tongue speakers need to talk abut using tongues privately when they are already doing it? I do not see the point.

So why are you involved in the conversation?

But the point is to convince non-tongue speakers of what they do in using tongues privately, to justify it. I say this... if tongues were meant to be used privately for the benefit of that tongue speaker, then it is nobody else's business but that individual tongue speaker. To talk about it to other tongue speakers & non-tongue speakers is vain. As a non-tongue speaker... stop showing off that you can speak in tongues privately.

What a ridiculous assertion and demand. If you don't like what someone is stating, walk away. This is a discussion about an issue addressed in Scripture, therefore it is absolutely appropriate to discuss it in a... BIBLE DISCUSSION FORUM.

The only value of God's gift of tongues to others is when it comes with interpretation. So knock it off.

What, did we regress to junior high? Your view is clearly contradicted by plain and direct Scripture. If you don't like the discussion, walk away from it.

 

[Waggles]

There is no Pentecostal gospel. Pentecost is an event where the Holy Spirit filled the apostles so they could declare the gospel of Jesus Christ. To declare before the crowd assembled that day that Jesus was the promised Messiah of God come to redeem sinful man.
Tongues were evidenced in the book of Acts so that Jewish people would know that the Gentiles being saved were being saved according to the very same gospel that the Jews were being saved. God moved in this fashion so that the Jews could not claim that the Gentiles were not being saved by Jehovah God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

I am using shorthand and also to reiterate the point that there
was definitely
NO Catholic NO Lutheran or Methodist gospel.
NO gospel for Orthodoxy.

The book of Acts tells us directly how people became believers
and were converted by believing the ONE and ONLY gospel preached.
The epistles are all addressed to the Spirit filled Christians on HOW to
stay saved.

And what is really exciting is that the 'Pentecostal' gospel
we read of in the Acts is still happening today.
How good is that!!!

 

[Waggles]

And he still has no idea of what constitutes the gospel?
For the cause of Christ
Roger

Well it sure ain't what you lot preach.
Stick to the scriptures.

 

[Enow]

So why are you involved in the conversation?

Why is it in Bible Discussion forum?

What a ridiculous assertion and demand. If you don't like what someone is stating, walk away. This is a discussion about an issue addressed in Scripture, therefore it is absolutely appropriate to discuss it in a... BIBLE DISCUSSION FORUM.

For edification? Tongues with interpretation edifies. Tongues without interpretation according to you guys only edify self; not other tongue speakers. So that also renders the topic moot for discussion other than to show off.

What, did we regress to junior high? Your view is clearly contradicted by plain and direct Scripture. If you don't like the discussion, walk away from it.

Scripture edifies; Tongues privately do not edify others for you guys to even talk about it to others.

So yeah... you guys are acting like junior high. Vain and you don't even know it.

 

[Enow]

I am using shorthand and also to reiterate the point that there
was definitely
NO Catholic NO Lutheran or Methodist gospel.
NO gospel for Orthodoxy.

The book of Acts tells us directly how people became believers
and were converted by believing the ONE and ONLY gospel preached.
The epistles are all addressed to the Spirit filled Christians on HOW to
stay saved.

And what is really exciting is that the 'Pentecostal' gospel
we read of in the Acts is still happening today.
How good is that!!!

So as a Pentecostal, you believe a believer can lose their salvation? If not, explain what you meant by that statement underlined in your quote above.

 

[shrume]

Tongues with interpretation edifies.

Tongues with interpretation edifies the church.

Tongues without interpretation according to you guys only edify self; not other tongue speakers.

According to the Bible, speaking in tongues edifies the person speaking (1 Cor 14:4; Jude 20), and it’s giving thanks well to God (1 Cor 14:17).

So that also renders the topic moot for discussion other than to show off.

It’s a biblical topic all Christians should be interested in. God wants all Christians to speak in tongues (1 Cor 14:5).

Scripture edifies;

Yes it does.

Tongues privately do not edify others for you guys to even talk about it to others.

In helping others understand what tongues is, and that God wants them to do it, we can help them to edify themselves, and to do what God wants them to do.

 

[Enow]

In helping others understand what tongues is, and that God wants them to do it, we can help them to edify themselves, and to do what God wants them to do.

You can't do that for other tongue speakers when you do not know what you are doing when you used tongues privately.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Tongues without interpretation according to you guys only edify self; not other tongue speakers. So that also renders the topic moot for discussion other than to show off.

Romans 12:

6 Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith;

7 Or ministry, let us wait on our ministering: or he that teacheth, on teaching;

8 Or he that exhorteth, on exhortation: he that giveth, let him do it with simplicity; he that ruleth, with diligence; he that sheweth mercy, with cheerfulness.


We all have gifts differing.

We all are to utilize that which God gives to us.

According to 1 Cor 12:6, it is God Who energizes all in all and according to 1 Cor 12:11, it is the One and the selfsame Spirit working within the born again believer.

Those who insist that any discussion (or utilization) of the manifestation is done in order to "show off" should allow those who speak in tongues to adhere to the instruction in Rom 12 (that each and every believer is unique and each and every believer is to function within the body of Christ to the best of his/her ability with whatever gift God has bestowed upon him/her).

 

[maxwel]

Once I prayed and prayed for the gift of tongues.

Nothing seemed to happen.

Then God sent me on a mission trip to a country where nobody understood me.



I looked at the people around me, with their puzzled faces,
and I thought, "I'm doing it!"






Ok, so this is a bit off topic... but... ummm... that's never stopped me before.

 

[shrume]

You can't do that for other tongue speakers when you do not know what you are doing when you used tongues privately.

But I do know what I am doing when I speak in tongues privately. I am edifying myself (1 Cor 4:4; Jude 20), I am speaking the wonderful works of God, magnifying God (Acts 2:11; 10:46), I am giving thanks well (1 Cor 14:17). Plus, I am doing what God wants me to do (1 Cor 14:5).