The Benefits of Tithing and Giving

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The benefits of tithing and giving are a great asset in our Walk with the Lord***we know the law of sowing and reaping is a substantial part of God's Kingdom***just being aware of this fact is enough Bible to know that financial partnering with the Lord is a great privilege***the benefits of this joining helps us, the Lord's Kingdom, and many that are lost...
 

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If you are giving with an expectation to get it back with interest, you are not giving, but lending like a bank.

Jesus taught us to give and not to expect to get it back.
 

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The benefits of tithing and giving are a great asset in our Walk with the Lord***we know the law of sowing and reaping is a substantial part of God's Kingdom***just being aware of this fact is enough Bible to know that financial partnering with the Lord is a great privilege***the benefits of this joining helps us, the Lord's Kingdom, and many that are lost...

I agree with you 88 the sowing and reaping is specifically dealing with our giving. The Bible says to trust in the Lord with all our hearts and not to lean on our own understanding but to acknowledge Him in all our ways and He shall direct our paths. This also has to do with our money.

Of course we can expect His blessings when we trust Him with our finances instead of us trusting our finances. We can always expect blessings from our Father when we trust Him to take care of us. Money is a major part of what men and woman put their trust in while here on earth so freely giving back to God is a hard thing for mere carnal man or woman to do.

But we who have done so have learned we cannot out give Him. He gives grace upon grace. He owns the cattle on 1000s hills. We are the sheep of His and when we allow Him to take care of us., He always will. We are stewards of what He has freely given to us. We learn to be flowing with our giving so it never grows stagnant and unfruitful. And His blessings are allowed to flow in and through our lives to others. Blessed to be a blessing. Amen!!
 
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Interesting thread, can I chime in with my experiences.
Feel free to disagree as I know everyone’s experience is different and to be honest
the whole issue of giving tends to be done according to each person’s experience. :)

I dont agree with tithing, why? Well because a tenth is not enough. Lol
Its not a case of how much of your own money you give to God, it’s more a
case of how much of God’s money you keep, because it all comes from God.
People should give what they feel led to give, it also should be given because
you want to give with a joyful heart, not because another person tells you to.
Lets face it, if a person gave you a gift every week but they found out you really
were reluctant about it and didn’t want to, you would tell them not to bother! You
certainly would not appreciate it in the same way.

Best thing to do is pray and ask God to show you what He wants you to do.
He is a better teacher than man and when God is the teacher, and He shows you,
giving becomes a joyful thing.


People sometimes think of giving as always financially, giving of your time
has immense value too. In fact giving money is easy compared to giving of
yourself. It’s easy to throw money at a situation then wipe your hands of it
and think Ive done my bit.


You also can’t outgive God. I’ve seen that time and time again in my life.
I never give with the intention of getting something back, ever. But I have been
astounded by the amazing way God has provided over the years. Yes sometimes
that has been financially, in fact many times in the most unexpected ways.
Its not even always been when I’ve needed it! I think God likes to give us
pleasant surprises and little gifts for no reason other than He loves us. Just like
we do for each other.


I know this sounds stupid, but one Christmas I bought some flowers for God.
I put them in my bedroom but told God they were really for Him. I can’t explain
it but I felt really joyful and just knew God was pleased with them. That christmas
just felt so special.


More than anything He wants us, time with us.


Back to the money issue, pray and ask God to show you what and to who or
where. Who knows He might show you He wants you to give more than a tithe!

He might also show you that He does not want you to give anything for a while,
that He would rather you start to budget and act responsibly to clear the millstone
of debt from around your neck, so that you can then start to give without fear and
in freedom. I know people who have done that and God has blessed them greatly
for taking responsibility for their finances. God does not want us to be in bondage
to anything including debts.
 
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Thank you, 88

The benefits of tithing and giving are a great asset in our Walk with the Lord***we know the law of sowing and reaping is a substantial part of God's Kingdom***just being aware of this fact is enough Bible to know that financial partnering with the Lord is a great privilege***the benefits of this joining helps us, the Lord's Kingdom, and many that are lost...
Would a man rob God?
 

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If you are giving with an expectation to get it back with interest, you are not giving, but lending like a bank.

Jesus taught us to give and not to expect to get it back.
Amen! Many churches teach that we as Christians, under the New Covenant, are commanded to give a minimum of 10% of our income to our church. Others teach that preachers of these churches are turning the 10% tithe from the Old Testament for Israel into a monetary, legalistic prescription for Christians under the New Covenant.

I even once heard a Pastor make a challenge to his congregation to give 10% of their income for 90 days and if God does not bless them then he will give them their money back. :rolleyes:

In 2 Corinthians 9:5-7 we read: Therefore I thought it necessary to exhort the brethren to go to you ahead of time, and prepare your generous gift beforehand, which you had previously promised, that it may be ready as a matter of generosity and not as a grudging obligation. But this I say: He who sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and he who sows bountifully will also reap bountifully. So let each one give as he purposes in his heart, not grudgingly or of necessity; for God loves a cheerful giver.

Now I don't see a "specific percentage" given anywhere for Christians to give "under the New Covenant," but I certainly believe in giving and not just to our church. I also believe that everything we own belongs to God.
 
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Thank you, 88

Would a man rob God?
Not only do Christians rob God, they mock Him and send "strange fire" and "strange incense." The scripture says, "Seek ye First, the Kingdom of God and His righteousness and all these things will be added."
 

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Amen! Many churches teach that we as Christians, under the New Covenant, are commanded to give a minimum of 10% of our income to our church. Others teach that preachers of these churches are turning the 10% tithe from the Old Testament for Israel into a monetary, legalistic prescription for Christians under the New Covenant.

I even once heard a Pastor make a challenge to his congregation to give 10% of their income for 90 days and if God does not bless them then he will give them their money back. :rolleyes:

In 2 Corinthians 9:5-7 we read: Therefore I thought it necessary to exhort the brethren to go to you ahead of time, and prepare your generous gift beforehand, which you had previously promised, that it may be ready as a matter of generosity and not as a grudging obligation. But this I say: He who sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and he who sows bountifully will also reap bountifully. So let each one give as he purposes in his heart, not grudgingly or of necessity; for God loves a cheerful giver.

Now I don't see a "specific percentage" given anywhere for Christians to give "under the New Covenant," but I certainly believe in giving and not just to our church. I also believe that everything we own belongs to God.
I would say before they give what they want to give to the church, they best not be neglecting the widows in their families.

1 Timothy 5:[SUP]8 [/SUP]But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel..........[SUP]16 [/SUP]If any man or woman that believeth have widows, let them relieve them, and let not the church be charged; that it may relieve them that are widows indeed.

Do churches relieve widows today? I never heard of it, but it goes to show how churches look to members to provide for the pastor & the church by tithing and promises of givings rather than to God to raise up cheerful givers. It should make one wonder if that church has faith in God to provide when insistence of tithing and giving are works that deny faith in Him to provide, but looking to man to provide.

That would be what James was actually talking about as faith without works in James 2nd chapter when the church tells members to have faith in God to provide for them in their individual lives, but when it comes to the assembly, they do not apply that faith in God to provide cheerful givers for the church at all when looking to tithing & promises of givings instead.
 

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Not only do Christians rob God, they mock Him and send "strange fire" and "strange incense."
Was Malachi 3:8 written to the Christians under the New Covenant or to Israel under the Old Covenant?

Malachi 1:1 - The burden of the word of the Lord to Israel by Malachi.
 
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Was Malachi 3:8 written to the Christians under the New Covenant or to Israel under the Old Covenant?

Malachi 1:1 - The burden of the word of the Lord to Israel by Malachi.
But some of these branches from Abraham's tree--some of the people of Israel--have been broken off. And you Gentiles, who were branches from a wild olive tree, have been grafted in. So now you also receive the blessing God has promised Abraham and his children, sharing in the rich nourishment from the root of God's special olive tree. Romans 11:17 NLT

For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also. Matthew 6:21
 
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But some of these branches from Abraham's tree--some of the people of Israel--have been broken off. And you Gentiles, who were branches from a wild olive tree, have been grafted in. So now you also receive the blessing God has promised Abraham and his children, sharing in the rich nourishment from the root of God's special olive tree. Romans 11:17 NLT

For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also. Matthew 6:21
Psalm 51:[SUP]15 [/SUP]O Lord, open thou my lips; and my mouth shall shew forth thy praise.[SUP] 16 [/SUP]For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it: thou delightest not in burnt offering.[SUP] 17 [/SUP]The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.

Psalm 4:
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Stand in awe, and sin not: commune with your own heart upon your bed, and be still. Selah. [SUP]5[/SUP]Offer the sacrifices of righteousness, and put your trust in the Lord. [SUP]6 [/SUP]There be many that say, Who will shew us any good? Lord, lift thou up the light of thy countenance upon us.

Psalm 50:[SUP]7 [/SUP]Hear, O my people, and I will speak; O Israel, and I will testify against thee: I am God, even thy God. [SUP]8 [/SUP]I will not reprove thee for thy sacrifices or thy burnt offerings, to have been continually before me. [SUP]9 [/SUP]I will take no bullock out of thy house, nor he goats out of thy folds. [SUP]10 [/SUP]For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills. [SUP]11 [/SUP]I know all the fowls of the mountains: and the wild beasts of the field are mine. [SUP]12 [/SUP]If I were hungry, I would not tell thee: for the world is mine, and the fulness thereof. [SUP]13 [/SUP]Will I eat the flesh of bulls, or drink the blood of goats?
[SUP] 14 [/SUP]Offer unto God thanksgiving;

That is how you put your treasure where your heart is; by praising and giving thanks to God in Heaven in Jesus's name. That is something the poor can do for which all believers in Jesus Christ can "give" that pleases Him.
 

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But some of these branches from Abraham's tree--some of the people of Israel--have been broken off. And you Gentiles, who were branches from a wild olive tree, have been grafted in. So now you also receive the blessing God has promised Abraham and his children, sharing in the rich nourishment from the root of God's special olive tree. Romans 11:17 NLT

For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also. Matthew 6:21
YOU DID NOT ANSWER MY QUESTION.

Was Malachi 3:8 written to the Christians under the New Covenant or to Israel under the Old Covenant?
 

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Amen! Many churches teach that we as Christians, under the New Covenant, are commanded to give a minimum of 10% of our income to our church. Others teach that preachers of these churches are turning the 10% tithe from the Old Testament for Israel into a monetary, legalistic prescription for Christians under the New Covenant.

I even once heard a Pastor make a challenge to his congregation to give 10% of their income for 90 days and if God does not bless them then he will give them their money back. :rolleyes:

In 2 Corinthians 9:5-7 we read: Therefore I thought it necessary to exhort the brethren to go to you ahead of time, and prepare your generous gift beforehand, which you had previously promised, that it may be ready as a matter of generosity and not as a grudging obligation. But this I say: He who sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and he who sows bountifully will also reap bountifully. So let each one give as he purposes in his heart, not grudgingly or of necessity; for God loves a cheerful giver.

Now I don't see a "specific percentage" given anywhere for Christians to give "under the New Covenant," but I certainly believe in giving and not just to our church. I also believe that everything we own belongs to God.
Any pastor who reads the verse:

"He who sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and he who sows bountifully will also reap bountifully. So let each one give as he purposes in his heart, not grudgingly or of necessity; for God loves a cheerful giver.
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And thinks that it means he will get rich in this life because of it, is in quite a carnal way of thinking.

We will reap in the afterlife, not by having a new Mercedes here on Earth.
 
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Psalm 51:[SUP]15 [/SUP]O Lord, open thou my lips; and my mouth shall shew forth thy praise.[SUP] 16 [/SUP]For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it: thou delightest not in burnt offering.[SUP] 17 [/SUP]The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.

Psalm 4:
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Stand in awe, and sin not: commune with your own heart upon your bed, and be still. Selah. [SUP]5[/SUP]Offer the sacrifices of righteousness, and put your trust in the Lord. [SUP]6 [/SUP]There be many that say, Who will shew us any good? Lord, lift thou up the light of thy countenance upon us.

Psalm 50:[SUP]7 [/SUP]Hear, O my people, and I will speak; O Israel, and I will testify against thee: I am God, even thy God. [SUP]8 [/SUP]I will not reprove thee for thy sacrifices or thy burnt offerings, to have been continually before me. [SUP]9 [/SUP]I will take no bullock out of thy house, nor he goats out of thy folds. [SUP]10 [/SUP]For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills. [SUP]11 [/SUP]I know all the fowls of the mountains: and the wild beasts of the field are mine. [SUP]12 [/SUP]If I were hungry, I would not tell thee: for the world is mine, and the fulness thereof. [SUP]13 [/SUP]Will I eat the flesh of bulls, or drink the blood of goats?
[SUP] 14 [/SUP]Offer unto God thanksgiving;

That is how you put your treasure where your heart is; by praising and giving thanks to God in Heaven in Jesus's name. That is something the poor can do for which all believers in Jesus Christ can "give" that pleases Him.
Millions of Christians are praising the Lord while sending "strange fire" and "strange incense." This is called Will Worship - mocking Him.
 

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But some of these branches from Abraham's tree--some of the people of Israel--have been broken off. And you Gentiles, who were branches from a wild olive tree, have been grafted in. So now you also receive the blessing God has promised Abraham and his children, sharing in the rich nourishment from the root of God's special olive tree. Romans 11:17 NLT

For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also. Matthew 6:21



Amen., never heard of that before but I would agree. Also., Abraham was not under any law of Mosses., yet He tithed to Melchizedek. (a picture of Christ) I'm not under any law of Mosses either but do believe where our money goes., our hearts will be invested.

Even we don't know our deepest attitudes until the Lord shows them to us by reflecting Jesus at us. Sad to say., our money is a good indicator of where our hearts are because on earth how much money people make is how people weigh themselves and others. God never wants us to see ourselves or others value in that way.
When we see ourselves and others loved by God in Christ, we will not need to horde money but we will freely be given because it was freely given to us. Freely you have received, freely give.

We are of value because Jesus died for us and we are loved and valued by God in Christ. We now are seen by God's grace... unearned and unmerited love and favor. And we're called to learn to see and love others in that same way. And we will know He will take care of us., not our money.


 
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Amen! Many churches teach that we as Christians, under the New Covenant, are commanded to give a minimum of 10% of our income to our church. Others teach that preachers of these churches are turning the 10% tithe from the Old Testament for Israel into a monetary, legalistic prescription for Christians under the New Covenant.

I even once heard a Pastor make a challenge to his congregation to give 10% of their income for 90 days and if God does not bless them then he will give them their money back. :rolleyes:

In 2 Corinthians 9:5-7 we read: Therefore I thought it necessary to exhort the brethren to go to you ahead of time, and prepare your generous gift beforehand, which you had previously promised, that it may be ready as a matter of generosity and not as a grudging obligation. But this I say: He who sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and he who sows bountifully will also reap bountifully. So let each one give as he purposes in his heart, not grudgingly or of necessity; for God loves a cheerful giver.

Now I don't see a "specific percentage" given anywhere for Christians to give "under the New Covenant," but I certainly believe in giving and not just to our church. I also believe that everything we own belongs to God.
Notice it says not of necessity. Under the law it was a necessity.

I would add thought from 2 Corinthian 8
12 For if there be first a willing mind, it is accepted according to that a man hath, and not according to that he hath not.
13 For I mean not that other men be eased, and ye burdened:
14 But by an equality, that now at this time your abundance may be a supply for their want, that their abundance also may be a supply for your want: that there may be equality:


 
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YOU DID NOT ANSWER MY QUESTION.

Was Malachi 3:8 written to the Christians under the New Covenant or to Israel under the Old Covenant?
And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe and to do all his Commandments which I command thee this day, that the LORD thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the Earth (Deuteronomy 28:1)

In this tremendous Chapter, we have a promise of Blessings which are absolutely unparalleled. Some may argue that the Lord did these things for Israel under the Old Covenant, but will not do them for modern Christians under the New Covenant. There is nothing in the Word of God that even remotely lends credence to such an idea. We presently have, in fact, a much better Covenant, based on better Promises than anything in the Old Covenant (Hebrews 8:6).

In this panoply of Promises, five great things are said.
They are:
1. "And all these blessings shall come on you, and overtake you": This literally means that the blessings of the Lord will literally chase down the individual. What a promise! (Deuteronomy 28:2).

2. "The LORD shall command the Blessing upon you": At this moment, if we will only believe it, the Lord is commanding blessing upon us. We must believe it, expect it, and receive it (Deuteronomy 28:8).

3. "And the LORD shall make you plenteous in goods": "Plenty" is what the Lord here promises. The word "goods" means everything that we need, whatever it might be (Deuteronomy 28:11).

4. "The LORD shall open unto you His good treasure": The Lord here tells us that we Believers literally have access to the treasure house of Heaven. Again, what a Promise! (Deuteronomy 28:12)

5. "And the LORD shall make you the head and not the tail": To use an earthly vernacular, someone, regarding an Alaskan dog-sled team, has well said, "if you're not the lead dog, the view never changes." To continue to use the earthly vernacular, the Lord intends for His People to be the "lead dog" (Deuteronomy 28:13).

All of this is made possible by the Cross!

A Daily Devotional by Jimmy Swaggart
 

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Those of us who do tithe know it is out of a desire to show Him and ourselves we can trust Him to take care of us and that we don't do like the world and trust our ability to make money. Many don't even give God the opportunity to see Him pour down blessings from heaven. Also., when we trust Him to take the first fruits., He blesses the rest and gives us wisdom as to how to use the rest of it. All we have isn't ours anyway., it's His and we are stewards who are very blessed. God the Father is also a wonderful employer.

It's simply wise stewardship.
 

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Millions of Christians are praising the Lord while sending "strange fire" and "strange incense." This is called Will Worship - mocking Him.
If you are referring to the Pentecostal/Charismatic movements and those Catholic denomenation that share in like practices... yeah.. they are. Our Father will deal with His children soon enough, but let us pray that God is peradventuring to recover some from those snares of the devil.
 

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And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe and to do all his Commandments which I command thee this day, that the LORD thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the Earth (Deuteronomy 28:1)

In this tremendous Chapter, we have a promise of Blessings which are absolutely unparalleled. Some may argue that the Lord did these things for Israel under the Old Covenant, but will not do them for modern Christians under the New Covenant. There is nothing in the Word of God that even remotely lends credence to such an idea. We presently have, in fact, a much better Covenant, based on better Promises than anything in the Old Covenant (Hebrews 8:6).

In this panoply of Promises, five great things are said.
They are:
1. "And all these blessings shall come on you, and overtake you": This literally means that the blessings of the Lord will literally chase down the individual. What a promise! (Deuteronomy 28:2).

2. "The LORD shall command the Blessing upon you": At this moment, if we will only believe it, the Lord is commanding blessing upon us. We must believe it, expect it, and receive it (Deuteronomy 28:8).

3. "And the LORD shall make you plenteous in goods": "Plenty" is what the Lord here promises. The word "goods" means everything that we need, whatever it might be (Deuteronomy 28:11).

4. "The LORD shall open unto you His good treasure": The Lord here tells us that we Believers literally have access to the treasure house of Heaven. Again, what a Promise! (Deuteronomy 28:12)

5. "And the LORD shall make you the head and not the tail": To use an earthly vernacular, someone, regarding an Alaskan dog-sled team, has well said, "if you're not the lead dog, the view never changes." To continue to use the earthly vernacular, the Lord intends for His People to be the "lead dog" (Deuteronomy 28:13).

All of this is made possible by the Cross!

A Daily Devotional by Jimmy Swaggart
Another dodge. It was a rhetorical question anyway.