Yahweh and Yeshua: A Comparison and Contrast

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This has been a topic I've been trying to dig into a bit as I've been reading the Word lately. It can be rather confounding at times reading the way Yahweh is portrayed in the OT versus Yeshua in the NT, yet we know They are One.

I thought it would be an interesting topic to explore. Does anyone have any insights?
 

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Here are some passages showingthe unity between Yahshua and YHWH. If Ther are more specific things let me know, if I am able I will answer them, Yah willing.

Mat 23:39, “For I say to you, from now on you shall by no means see Me, until you say, ‘Blessed is He who is coming in the Name of
יהוה!

Psalm 118:26-27, “Blessed is He who is coming in the Name of יהוה! We shall bless you from the House of יהוה. יהוה is Mighty, and He gave us light; Bind the Festival offering With cords to the horns of the Altar.”

Mat 21:9, "And the crowds who went before and those who followed cried out, saying, “Hoshia-na to the Son of Dawiḏ! Blessed is He who is coming in the Name of יהוה! Hoshia-na in the highest!

John 14:28, “You have heard that I told you: I go away, but come again to you. If you loved Me, you would have rejoiced that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.”

John 5:43, “I have come in My Father's Name, but you do not follow Me. Let another come in his own name; him you will follow.”

2 John 1:9, “Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of the Messiah, does not have Yah. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son.”

John 7:16-17, "Yahshua answered, them, and said: My doctrine is not Mine, but His Who sent Me. If any man will do His will, he will know about this teaching, whether it comes from YHWH, or whether I am speaking of My own authority."

John 5:19-20, “Therefore יהושע responded and said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son is able to do none at all by Himself, but only that which He sees the Father doing, because whatever He does, the Son also likewise does. For the Father loves the Son, and shows Him all that He Himself does. And greater works than these He is going to show Him, in order that you marvel.”

John 5:28-30, “Do not marvel at this, because the hour is coming in which all those in the tombs shall hear His voice, and shall come forth – those who have practiced righteousness, to the resurrection of life, and those who have practiced evil matters, to a resurrection of judgment. Of Myself I am unable to do any matter. As I hear, I judge, and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own desire, but the desire of the Father who sent Me.”

John 12:44-50, “Then יהושע cried out and said, “He who believes in Me, believes not in Me but in Him who sent Me. And he who sees Me sees Him who sent Me. I have come as a light into the world, so that no one who believes in Me should stay in darkness. And if anyone hears My Words but does not watch over them, I do not judge him. For I did not come to judge the world but to save the world. He who rejects Me, and does not receive My Words, has one who judges him: the Word that I have spoken shall judge him in the last day. Because I spoke not from Myself, but the Father who sent Me has given Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak. And I know that His command is everlasting life. Therefore, whatever I speak, as the Father has said to Me, so I speak.”

John/Yahanan 5:46-47, "For had you believed Mosheh, you would have believed Me, for he wrote about Me*. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?"

*Mosheh wrote:

Deuteronomy 18:18-19, "I (YHWH) will raise up for them a Prophet (Yahshua/Jesus) like you from among their brothers, and I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him. Whoever will not listen to My words, which He speaks in My Name, I will judge him for it"

"listen" is word #8085 - שָׁמַעshama` {shaw-mah'}

Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
A primitive root; to hear intelligently (often with implication of attention, obedience, etc.; causatively to tell, etc.)

Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) - 1) to hear, listen to, obey

John 6:35-40, “And יהושע said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall not get hungry at all, and he who believes in Me shall not get thirsty at all. But I said to you that you have seen Me, and still do not believe. All that the Father gives Me shall come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I shall by no means cast out. Because I have come down out of the heaven, not to do My own desire, but the desire of Him who sent Me. This is the desire of the Father who sent Me, that all He has given Me I should not lose of it, but should raise it in the last day. And this is the desire of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him should possess everlasting life. And I shall raise him up in the last day.”

John 8:13-20, “The Pharisees, therefore, said to Him, “You bear witness about Yourself, Your witness is not true. יהושע answered and said to them, “Even if I witness concerning Myself, My witness is true, for I know where I came from and where I am going. But you do not know from where I come, or where I go. You judge according to the flesh, I judge no one. But even if I do judge, My judgment is true, because I am not alone in it, but I and the Father who sent Me. And in your Torah also, it has been written that the witness of two men is true. I am One who witnesses concerning Myself, and the Father who sent Me witnesses concerning Me. Therefore they said to Him, “Where is Your Father?” יהושע answered, “You know neither Me nor My Father. If you knew Me, you would have known My Father also. These words יהושע spoke in the treasury, teaching in the Set-apart Place. And no one laid hands on Him, because His hour had not yet come.

John 8:28-29, “So יהושע said to them, “When you lift up the Son of Aḏam, then you shall know that I am He, and that I do none at all of Myself, but as My Father taught Me, these words I speak. And He who sent Me is with Me. The Father has not left Me alone, for I always do what pleases Him.”

Mat 7:21-23, “Not everyone who says to Me; Maser! Master! Will enter into the Kingdom of YHWH, but only he who does the will of My Father Who is in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day;Maser! Master! Have we not prophesied in Your Name, and cast out demons in Your Name, and in Your Name performed many wonderful works? But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity.”

John/Yahanan 15:5-16, "I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, produces much fruit; but without Me, you can do nothing. If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away like a branch, and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. If you abide in Me, and letting My words; abide in you, you will ask what you will, and it will be done for you. In this is My Father glorified: when you produce much fruit; and in this way you become My disciples. Just as the Father has loved Me, so have I loved you; continue in My love. If you keep My Commands, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father's Commands, and abide in His love. These things I have spoken to you, that My joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be complete. This is My Command: Love one another as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this: that one would lay down his life on behalf of his brothers. You are My brothers, if you do whatever I command you."

John/Yahanan 16:5-16, “But now I go away to Him who sent Me, and not one of you asks Me, ‘Where are You going?’ But because I have said these words to you, grief has filled your heart. But I say the truth to you. It is better for you that I go away, for if I do not go away, the Helper shall not come to you at all, but if I go, I shall send Him to you. And having come, He shall convict the world concerning sin, and concerning righteousness, and concerning judgment, concerning sin because they do not believe in Me, concerning righteousness because I go to My Father and you see Me no more, concerning judgment because the ruler of this world is judged. I still have many words to say to you, but you are not able to bear them now. But when He comes, the Spirit of the Truth, He shall guide you into all the truth. For He shall not speak from Himself, but whatever He hears He shall speak, and He shall announce to you what is to come. He shall esteem Me, for He shall take of what is Mine and announce it to you. All that the Father has is Mine. That is why I said that He takes from what is Mine and announces it to you. A little while, and you do not see Me, and again a little while, and you shall see Me.”

John/Yahanan 6:27, John 6:27, “Do not labor for the food that is perishing, but for the food that is remaining to everlasting life, which the Son of Aḏam shall give you, for the Father, Yah, has set His seal on Him.”

John/Yahanan 10:27-30, "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life, and they will never perish; neither will any man snatch them out of My hand. My Father, Who gave them to Me, is greater than all; and no man is able to snatch them out of My Father's hand: I and My Father are in accord."

John 14:9-31, "יהושע said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father, and how do you say, ‘Show us the Father’? Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak from Myself. But the Father who stays in Me does His works. Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, otherwise believe Me because of the works themselves. Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he shall do also. And greater works than these he shall do, because I go to My Father. And whatever you ask in My Name, that I shall do, in order that the Father might be esteemed in the Son. If you ask whatever in My Name, I shall do it. If you love Me, you shall guard My commands. (1Jn 5:2-3, 2 Jn 1:6."14:16) And I shall ask the Father, and He shall give you another Helper, to stay with you forever the Spirit of the Truth, whom the world is unable to receive, because it does not see Him or know Him. But you know Him, for He stays with you and shall be in you. I shall not leave you orphans – I am coming to you. Yet a little while, and the world no longer sees Me, but you shall see Me, because I live, and you shall live. In that day you shall know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you. He who possesses My commands and guards them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me shall be loved by My Father, and I shall love him and manifest Myself to him. Yehuḏah – not the one from Qerioth – said to Him, “Master, what has come about that You are about to manifest Yourself to us, and not to the world? יהושע answered him, “If anyone loves Me, he shall guard My Word. And My Father shall love him, and We shall come to him and make Our stay with him. He who does not love Me does not guard My Words. And the Word which you hear is not Mine but of the Father Who sent Me. These Words I have spoken to you while still with you. But the Helper, the Set-apart Spirit, whom the Father shall send in My Name, He shall teach you all, and remind you of all that I said to you. Peace I leave with you – My peace I give to you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid. You heard that I said to you, ‘I am going away and I am coming to you.’ If you did love Me, you would have rejoiced that I said, ‘I am going to the Father,’ for My Father is greater than I. And now I have told you before it takes place, that when it does take place, you shall believe. I shall no longer talk much with you, for the ruler of this world is coming, and he possesses none at all in Me, but, in order for the world to know that I love the Father, and that as the Father commanded Me, so I am doing. Rise up, let us go from here.”

John/Yahanan 17:16-25, “They are not of the world, as I am not of the world. 17, “Set them apart in Your truth; Your Word is truth. 18, “As You sent Me into the world, I also sent them into the world. 19, “And for them I set Myself apart, so that they too might be set apart in truth. 20, “And I do not pray for these alone, but also for those believing in Me through their word, 21, so that they all might be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You, so that they too might be one in Us, so that the world might believe that You have sent Me. 22, “And the esteem which You gave Me I have given them, so that they might be one as We are one, 23, “I in them, and You in Me, so that they might be perfected into one, so that the world knows that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me. 24, “Father, I desire that those whom You have given Me, might be with Me where I am, so that they see My esteem which You have given Me, because You loved Me before the foundation of the world. 25, “O righteous Father, indeed the world did not know You, but I knew You, and these knew that You sent Me.”

Revelation 3:5, "He who overcomes, the same will be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name from The Book of Life, but I will confess his name before My Father and before His malakim."

John 14:23-24, "יהושע answered him, “If anyone loves Me, he shall guard My Word. And My Father shall love him, and We shall come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not guard My Words. And the Word which you hear is not Mine but of the Father Who sent Me.”
 

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Very insightful. Thanks! Question for you; those verses you quoted in Matthew and John with the Tetragrammaton, what version or manuscript(s) is that from?

I'm trying to figure out if we have any writings that recorded Yeshua referring to His Father as YHWH directly? I've checked in my blue letter bible app on an interlinear of both the LXX and Textus Receptus but all I could find was the word "kyrios" for Lord or other general greek terms for "He who sent me" or "Father".
 

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Jair... GOD is good always.. tough times will make for tough measures.. there is an ongoing evil rebellion going on.. and GOD knows the best way to deal with... for GOD knows the outcome and will cut it short.. but His Harvest will come when His crop be ripe and ready to be gathered up.

Trust in GOD always and forever Father and Son are One.
 

JairCrawford

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Jair... GOD is good always.. tough times will make for tough measures.. there is an ongoing evil rebellion going on.. and GOD knows the best way to deal with... for GOD knows the outcome and will cut it short.. but His Harvest will come when His crop be ripe and ready to be gathered up.

Trust in GOD always and forever Father and Son are One.
Thanks for your response. Yes, I do believe that the Father and the Son are one. Jesus himself declares this. I believe the Holy Spirit is one with count the Father and Son as well. There is no doubt about that.

What I am trying to do right now is step back a bit from what I've learned before as I really start diving into scripture, and dig deep into Who Jesus was referring to as His Father.

The question is, are many of the acts of YHWH in the OT... well, would I be so bold to speculate that perhaps many of those acts were miss attributed to the true God? Jesus' description of His Heavenly Father, as well as His own personality, are so very different from how YHWH is described many times in the Torah.

I can't help but wonder at times, was He trying to tell us something through that? Has the church been misinterpreting what Jesus was trying to tell us all this time? I mean, consider what Jesus tells the Pharisees in John... He tells th their father is the devil who was a man slayer from the beginning! Those are VERY strong words He uses...

I understand this speculation is pretty contrary to what the majority of churches teach as doctrine on the relationship between the testaments. But I'm truly trying to read the Word for what it says. And that's why I'm trying to compare and contrast here.

Does this make sense?
 

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Thanks for your response. Yes, I do believe that the Father and the Son are one. Jesus himself declares this. I believe the Holy Spirit is one with count the Father and Son as well. There is no doubt about that.

What I am trying to do right now is step back a bit from what I've learned before as I really start diving into scripture, and dig deep into Who Jesus was referring to as His Father.

The question is, are many of the acts of YHWH in the OT... well, would I be so bold to speculate that perhaps many of those acts were miss attributed to the true God? Jesus' description of His Heavenly Father, as well as His own personality, are so very different from how YHWH is described many times in the Torah.

I can't help but wonder at times, was He trying to tell us something through that? Has the church been misinterpreting what Jesus was trying to tell us all this time? I mean, consider what Jesus tells the Pharisees in John... He tells th their father is the devil who was a man slayer from the beginning! Those are VERY strong words He uses...

I understand this speculation is pretty contrary to what the majority of churches teach as doctrine on the relationship between the testaments. But I'm truly trying to read the Word for what it says. And that's why I'm trying to compare and contrast here.

Does this make sense?


friend.. I have seen many try and seperate the Father and Son.. some believe that the GOD of the Old Testament is not the same as the New.. GOD can not be judged... GOD is Righteous and GOOD always...

Here is a thought.. how bad must the earth of become in the times of Noah.. for GOD to have to flood it..

I see the same GOD in both Testaments.. One True Almighty GOD Father of our Lord and Saviour.


The Messiah knows whom those Pharisees worshipped... If they had worshipped GOD they would of Honoured and knew His Son...

I see a Righteous GOD doing what was needed to be done to save His Creation..

Many do not know the depths or the realm of this life... we are here to learn.. to know Good and Evil and choose Good through Faith in Christ we can be given the right to the Tree of life...


Reading the Bible from beginning to end.. page upon page.. GOD is there throughout pleading with His Creation to listen to Him.. anything less is rebellion.. and the rebellious disobedient will not inherit eternal life..
 

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John 5

39Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. 40And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life. 41I receive not honour from men. 42But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you. 43I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. 44How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only? 45Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust. 46For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. 47But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
 

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Joh 12:37
But though he had done so many signs before them, yet they believed not on him:
Joh 12:38
that the word of Isaiah the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? And to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed?
Joh 12:39
For this cause they could not believe, for that Isaiah said again,
Joh 12:40
He hath blinded their eyes, and he hardened their heart; Lest they should see with their eyes, and perceive with their heart, And should turn, And I should heal them.
Joh 12:41
These things said Isaiah, because he saw his glory; and he spake of him
 

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When Jesus/Yahshua says 'I and my Father are One' Joh 10v30, I believe it to mean that they are 'One in Spirit' but separate in Being.
But you will find that trad christianity has a different take on this and believes the Father and the Son to be one and the same Person/Being...hence the many disagreements.
 

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When Jesus/Yahshua says 'I and my Father are One' Joh 10v30, I believe it to mean that they are 'One in Spirit' but separate in Being.
But you will find that trad christianity has a different take on this and believes the Father and the Son to be one and the same Person/Being...hence the many disagreements.

Beta.. GOD be thanked and praised for the wisdom you just shared.
 

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Beta.. GOD be thanked and praised for the wisdom you just shared.
It's only as I read HIS Word...hope I understand Him correctly...would not want to pass on false information.
 

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Just a little Marvel.. all know I’m sure.. jumped to me from name of thread.. The Messiah’s Name means YAH Saves.. I know we differ on spellings but the name Joshua would be the name in the Bible that is used for Jesus also.. anyhow.. the Truth is ours to believe.
 

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When Jesus/Yahshua says 'I and my Father are One' Joh 10v30, I believe it to mean that they are 'One in Spirit' but separate in Being.
But you will find that trad christianity has a different take on this and believes the Father and the Son to be one and the same Person/Being...hence the many disagreements.
I don't know if this has been said already, apologies if it has, but this below removes all doubts for me as to whether or not Jesus is God on earth in the form of man.

(Joh 1:1 KJV) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God..... And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. (Joh 1:14 KJV)

At Christ's baptism, the Holy Spirit descended upon Jesus and I like to think that those who were in the presence of Jesus were in the presence of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Jesus being "God with us" or as we read in Matthew, Immanuel.
 

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This has been a topic I've been trying to dig into a bit as I've been reading the Word lately. It can be rather confounding at times reading the way Yahweh is portrayed in the OT versus Yeshua in the NT, yet we know They are One.

I thought it would be an interesting topic to explore. Does anyone have any insights?
Be careful when reading the Old Testament because the Israelites called idols LORD as well as calling the true God LORD. We can see this with regard to the Golden Calf that Aaron called LORD.

And he received them at their hand, and fashioned it with a graving tool, after he had made it a molten calf: and they said, These be thy gods, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt. And when Aaron saw it, he built an altar before it; and Aaron made proclamation, and said, To morrow is a feast to the LORD. (Exo 32:4-5 KJV)

The true God is the I AM and Jesus is the I AM.
Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM." (John 8:58)
 

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I don't know if this has been said already, apologies if it has, but this below removes all doubts for me as to whether or not Jesus is God on earth in the form of man.

(Joh 1:1 KJV) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God..... And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. (Joh 1:14 KJV)

At Christ's baptism, the Holy Spirit descended upon Jesus and I like to think that those who were in the presence of Jesus were in the presence of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Jesus being "God with us" or as we read in Matthew, Immanuel.
OK...so are you saying Jesus was/is His own Father...when He/Jesus is on earth there is no God/Father in heaven ? when Jesus says 'He and His Father are One' why did He not include the Holy Ghost/Spirit to say that the 3 are one ? because the holy Spirit is something other/else than another Being. Jesus did not include the HolySpirit...people do and now we have 3 Gods instead of ONE as scripture says.
Yes Jesus/Yahshua is God with us because He has the Spirit of God...who is Spirit.
Why not stay with what Jesus says until we receive further revelation through and by the power of the Holy Spirit who teaches us all things. Christians have set their heart on the trinity as well as the sunday and neither is mentioned in the Bible.
 

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The question is, are many of the acts of YHWH in the OT... well, would I be so bold to speculate that perhaps many of those acts were miss attributed to the true God? Jesus' description of His Heavenly Father, as well as His own personality, are so very different from how YHWH is described many times in the Torah.
The idea that the God of the Old Testament was different from the God of the New Testament is a myth that has been promoted by theological liberals and the Higher Critics, who also claimed that Judaism was an "evolved" religion. But those people have also asserted that Jesus was merely a good deluded rabbi. So their ideas should be totally rejected.

There is more than enough evidence in the OT to establish the fact that YHWH is none other than Yeshua. And that the name I AM applies as much to Him as to God the Father. What is clear in the OT is that the true God brought judgment upon sinners and rebels before the coming of Christ, and those judgments are described in the OT to warn us that God does not take sin and evil lightly. But He also gave ample warning to those who would be destroyed, and His grace and mercy are also shown time after time.

However during this Age of Grace, God has been withholding His judgments, but now they are coming through natural disasters, and in the near future He will pour out His wrath on the unbelieving and the ungodly world as described in the New Testament, particularly in Revelation. Eventually this whole earth will be burned up with supernatural fire so that the New Heavens and the New Earth can be established.
 

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OK...so are you saying Jesus was/is His own Father...when He/Jesus is on earth there is no God/Father in heaven ? when Jesus says 'He and His Father are One' why did He not include the Holy Ghost/Spirit to say that the 3 are one ? because the holy Spirit is something other/else than another Being. Jesus did not include the HolySpirit...people do and now we have 3 Gods instead of ONE as scripture says.
Yes Jesus/Yahshua is God with us because He has the Spirit of God...who is Spirit.
Why not stay with what Jesus says until we receive further revelation through and by the power of the Holy Spirit who teaches us all things. Christians have set their heart on the trinity as well as the sunday and neither is mentioned in the Bible.
All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. (Joh 6:37-38 KJV)

Not forgetting something else Jesus said and which you ignored.
Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM." (John 8:58)

 
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OK...so are you saying Jesus was/is His own Father...when He/Jesus is on earth there is no God/Father in heaven ? when Jesus says 'He and His Father are One' why did He not include the Holy Ghost/Spirit to say that the 3 are one ? because the holy Spirit is something other/else than another Being. Jesus did not include the HolySpirit...people do and now we have 3 Gods instead of ONE as scripture says.
Yes Jesus/Yahshua is God with us because He has the Spirit of God...who is Spirit.
Why not stay with what Jesus says until we receive further revelation through and by the power of the Holy Spirit who teaches us all things. Christians have set their heart on the trinity as well as the sunday and neither is mentioned in the Bible.
God is omnipresent, whether in the spirit or in the flesh in the person of Jesus.

Immanuel means "God with us." Jesus was Immanuel.
 

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The idea that the God of the Old Testament was different from the God of the New Testament is a myth that has been promoted by theological liberals and the Higher Critics, who also claimed that Judaism was an "evolved" religion. But those people have also asserted that Jesus was merely a good deluded rabbi. So their ideas should be totally rejected.

There is more than enough evidence in the OT to establish the fact that YHWH is none other than Yeshua. And that the name I AM applies as much to Him as to God the Father. What is clear in the OT is that the true God brought judgment upon sinners and rebels before the coming of Christ, and those judgments are described in the OT to warn us that God does not take sin and evil lightly. But He also gave ample warning to those who would be destroyed, and His grace and mercy are also shown time after time.

However during this Age of Grace, God has been withholding His judgments, but now they are coming through natural disasters, and in the near future He will pour out His wrath on the unbelieving and the ungodly world as described in the New Testament, particularly in Revelation. Eventually this whole earth will be burned up with supernatural fire so that the New Heavens and the New Earth can be established.
RED. What you say about the I AM is true. The I AM of the Old Testament is the I AM of the New Testament. The trouble is the people of the OT also worshipped false gods, like the God of war. Here they are:

Adrammelech; Anammelech; Asherah; Ass-Worship; Astarte Worship Among the Hebrews; Atargatis; Ba'al and Ba'al-Worship; Baal-peor; Baal-zebub; Baal-zephon; Bamah; Calf, Golden; Calf-Worship; Chemosh; Dagon; High Place; Moloch; Star-Worship; Stone and Stone-Worship; Tammuz; Teraphim; and Witchcraft).

http://jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/15027-worship-idol

I am afraid the I AM took second place with the people. They went whoring after other gods unfortunately.
 

JairCrawford

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#20
Thanks everyone for a very insightful discussion so far! I'll leave a more detailed reply later as I need to get ready for work soon but I will add these two thoughts for now:

The Trinity: We could go in circles for years on end trying to figure out how this works. Is each Person simply "One in Spirit" but separate otherwise? Or are They truly One? As in the Father IS the Son IS the Holy Spirit?

Right now the only answer I can find in my spirit is, Yes. Both, at the same time. And perhaps even more than both. It's beyond what our mere mortal minds could ever dream of comprehending. It doesn't make logical sense but then how can it make logical sense when we are trying to analyze the Mind and Persons of the One who created everything and invented what we know as logic? Just my thoughts on that aspect of the discussion.

The other point, to clear some things up. I should have been more specific earlier about what I struggle with in the OT about God.

It's not God pouring out His divine wrath that I struggle with. For He indeed poured out the flood waters in the days of Noah. He wiped out Sodom with His own hand. He brought the plagues upon Egypt to set His people free.

He is God, He can do these things to protect His people. Who am I to question this?

The problem, for me, begins when reading through the books of Numbers through Judges, and then again in parts of Samuel, where it is written that God commands His people multiple times to commit brutal acts of war for Him. THIS is where I struggle the most in reconciling with Jesus in the NT.