anyone else studying the four creatures ?

[garee]

does anyone know any prophecies or really any scripture that would Help with these ? or have any ideas about this subject? someone a long time ago suggested the four gospels are tied into the four creatures and wheels.

I would offer.The idea of four gospels is an oral tradition of men . Just as putting a division between what Paul says and what James says.

The whole Bible is the good news.(gospel) It begins with .In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.(Geneisi1:1.) And the gospel ends with ...The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.(Revelation 22:21)

The four with four representing universal (north, south, east, and west the whole world )represents the father of lies, the father of lies, the father of lies, and the father of lies, He deceives the whole world not just the Christian world.

Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Wheels in that parable represent the circle of the earth, the whole world ...The Grasshoppers us,

Isaiah 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

Matthew 26:13 Verily I say unto you, Wheresoever this gospel shall be preached in the whole world, there shall also this, that this woman hath done, be told for a memorial of her.

 

[followjesus]

I have to go so I don't have time to comment on most of the above. However, I think the above is brought on by the 'living Creatures' found in Revelation. They are unrelated to Daniel's Beast. The Beast of Rev 17.

you think they are unrelated even though daniels 4 beasts have the same appearance? 7 heads, ten Horns, like a lion, Leopard and bear? and that the 8th King is part of both beasts? and that He is given power to overcome the saints in both accounts?

I dont really thing the beast is related to the four creatures in the op, but im positive daniel saw the same beast as the one in revelation. i thought that part was obvious , can I ask you why you think they arent related when they are described the same?

 

[followjesus]

I would offer.The idea of four gospels is an oral tradition of men . Just as putting a division between what Paul says and what James says.

The whole Bible is the good news.(gospel) It begins with .In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.(Geneisi1:1.) And the gospel ends with ...The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.(Revelation 22:21)

The four with four representing universal (north, south, east, and west the whole world )represents the father of lies, the father of lies, the father of lies, and the father of lies, He deceives the whole world not just the Christian world.

Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Wheels in that parable represent the circle of the earth, the whole world ...The Grasshoppers us,

Isaiah 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

Matthew 26:13 Verily I say unto you, Wheresoever this gospel shall be preached in the whole world, there shall also this, that this woman hath done, be told for a memorial of her.

I would offer.The idea of four gospels is an oral tradition of men ."

you think the four gospels are mans tradition??? wow never heard that one.

Matthew 26:13 Verily I say unto you, Wheresoever this gospel shall be preached in the whole world, there shall also this, that this woman hath done, be told for a memorial of her"

honestly i cant glean any connection between anything you are saying here. probably because you think the 4 gospels are a tradition of men..... the Gospel is what Jesus taught His disciples while on earth. its what was foretold all along.

Luke 16:16 "The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it."

when John was imprisoned Jesus did this

Luke 4:And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,18The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,19To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. 20And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.21And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears."

matthew 4:23 "And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.

matthew 9:35 "And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people."

matthew 4:23 "And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people."

Luke 4:43 "And he said unto them, I must preach the kingdom of God to other cities also: for therefore am I sent."


no one really accepts or talks much about the Gospel of the Kingdom of God, but of a truth, its the only Gospel God will ever Give, its the same thing paul preached

acts 28:23 :And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening"

matthew 24:14 "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come."

Jesus taught the Gospel, thats why those 4 books are called " the gospel according to matthew" the gospel according to mark" ..according to John, and Luke also.

the proper title for those is the gospel according to.....i think the idea you have of the gospels being a "tradition of men" is a huge roadblock. That is the Word of the Lord Jesus Christ. He actually says this distinguishing His words from all other scripture. ( one example of a few)

john 3:He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all.32And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony. 33He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true. 34For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him. 35The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand. 36He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him."


the 4 gospels are the testimony that God sent Jesus to speak forth and send to the World.

matthew 28:18-20 "And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen."


its the new and eternal covenant.

 

[Nehemiah6]

... of course the four creatures and beasts are mentioned elsewhere I was wondering if others were studying this at all, please let me Know if you have any Ideas.

The four living creatures are in fact the cherubim (plural for cherub) which surround the throne of God. There four faces signify the character of Christ as King, Servant, Man, and God. They were also present over the Ark of the Covenant, since the glory (or presence) of God would be found in the Holy of Holies. And therefore they constantly proclaim the holiness of God.

 

[followjesus]

The four living creatures are in fact the cherubim (plural for cherub) which surround the throne of God. There four faces signify the character of Christ as King, Servant, Man, and God. They were also present over the Ark of the Covenant, since the glory (or presence) of God would be found in the Holy of Holies. And therefore they constantly proclaim the holiness of God.

it was you who told me that awhile back, i couldnt remember who it was. thanks for the reminder, i have been so seep into this study am finding mass amounts of scripture from the Law to the revelation. one of the best studies ive done in awhile. when Im finished, I Will do a second post about this because im finding some things i never evvver understood.

thanks again brother and may the Good Lord bless you in abundance.

 

[gdyloves]

Four living creatures /the four gospels

Matthew

Matthew’s gospel corresponds to the first living being, which is a lion. The lion is the king of the animals, and accordingly Matthew sees Jesus as a king. The Bible itself associates the lion with kingship and the tribe of Judah from which Jesus came. In Genesis 49: 9 and 10, Jacob prophesied: “You are a lion’s cub, O Judah; you return from the prey, my son. Like a lion, he crouches and lies down, like a lioness -- who dares to rouse him?


Mark

Mark corresponds to the second living being, the ox, which is a servant animal. Accordingly he sees Jesus as a servant, the exact opposite of a king. Servants are unknown people, and this fits the fact Mark was a man of unknown occupation. His opening words are simply: “The beginning of the gospel about Jesus Christ.” (The following words the Son of God found in most Bibles were almost certainly not in the original text, but were a later addition.) There is no genealogy, nor any kind of birth story. You would not expect either of those for a servant. Neither does Mark record much teaching. His gospel is all about action. Jesus is serving his Father. Appropriately, for a servant, Mark’s gospel is the shortest.

At the end of Mark, when commissioning the disciples, Jesus said: “these signs will follow them that believe; In my name they will cast out devils; they will speak with new tongues; they will take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it will not hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.” He was speaking of the actions his servants would perform.

Luke

The third gospel writer, Luke, corresponds to the third living being. He sees Jesus as a man. Luke was a doctor, concerned with people, and it is appropriate that he should view Jesus in this way. Only Luke gives us all the human details of Jesus’ birth. He tells the story of Gabriel’s visit to Mary and her conception. Only Luke mentions the inn at Bethlehem and the manger where Jesus first slept. Like Matthew, Luke gives the genealogy of Jesus, but not in the same way. Matthew begins with Abraham and goes down through David. Luke begins with Mary, and goes all the way back to Adam. The final words of Luke chapter 3 are “the son of Adam, the son of God.” The word adam in Hebrew means man. So we may re-translate this, “the son of man, the son of God.”

Luke gives us the human side of things.

John

John’s gospel corresponds to the fourth living being, the flying eagle. The eagle belongs to the heavens and so represents God. John sees Jesus as God. The other three beings are creatures of the earth. As we would expect, John’s gospel is very different from those of Matthew, Mark and Luke.

 

[garee]

I would offer.The idea of four gospels is an oral tradition of men ."

you think the four gospels are mans tradition??? wow never heard that one.

Matthew 26:13 Verily I say unto you, Wheresoever this gospel shall be preached in the whole world, there shall also this, that this woman hath done, be told for a memorial of her"

honestly i cant glean any connection between anything you are saying here. probably because you think the 4 gospels are a tradition of men..... the Gospel is what Jesus taught His disciples while on earth. its what was foretold all along.

Luke 16:16 "The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it."

when John was imprisoned Jesus did this

Luke 4:And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,18The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,19To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. 20And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.21And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears."

matthew 4:23 "And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.

matthew 9:35 "And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people."

matthew 4:23 "And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people."

Luke 4:43 "And he said unto them, I must preach the kingdom of God to other cities also: for therefore am I sent."


no one really accepts or talks much about the Gospel of the Kingdom of God, but of a truth, its the only Gospel God will ever Give, its the same thing paul preached

acts 28:23 :And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening"

matthew 24:14 "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come."

Jesus taught the Gospel, thats why those 4 books are called " the gospel according to matthew" the gospel according to mark" ..according to John, and Luke also.

the proper title for those is the gospel according to.....i think the idea you have of the gospels being a "tradition of men" is a huge roadblock. That is the Word of the Lord Jesus Christ. He actually says this distinguishing His words from all other scripture. ( one example of a few)

john 3:He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all.32And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony. 33He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true. 34For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him. 35The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand. 36He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him."


the 4 gospels are the testimony that God sent Jesus to speak forth and send to the World.

matthew 28:18-20 "And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen."


its the new and eternal covenant.

That is not what I was trying to offer.

I was responding to what some one offered. They said ....Four living creatures equals the four gospels

Mathew, Mark, Luke and John are part of the gospel.. not the whole thing.

The whole Bible is the gospel .Its includes the first four books of the new testament. I was not saying the gospel, God's word coming from a unseen faith to the same faith is a tradition of men. It a tradition of God.

Using the word four, limiting it to four that I would call a tradition of men.. The good news (gospel)is God unseen revealing himself. Begins in the first verse of Genesis and end with the last word in Revelation.

In that way the "gospel" is the "perfect law of God" and not a theory of men. I see not difernce bewtween the perfect law and the gospel .

I think a person could safely use the word (gospel) below.

The law (gospel) of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the (gospel the) testimony of the LORD is sure, (the gospel) making wise the simple.The statutes of the(gospel of the) LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of (gospel) the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes.The fear of (the gospel) the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of (gospel) the LORD are true and righteous altogether.(the gospel) More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: .(the gospel)sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.Moreover by (the gospel) them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them .(the gospel)there is great reward.Who can understand his errors? (the gospel) cleanse thou me from secret faults. Psa 19:7

 

[followjesus]

"Mathew, Mark, Luke and John are part of the gospel.. not the whole thing."


Naw they are the Whole thing. the things after, are messengers sent to spread that same Gospel. the epistles are just that, they are epistles sent to the churches that are all established on the Gospel of the Kingdom, completely spoken bY jesus Christ. he then sent messengers to " teach all nations to obey all the things i taught you. " thats what the apostles were doing spreading the Gospel. the old testament foretells that the Gospel will come with the messiah. the Gospel is the covenant and Jesus was the Messenger of the covenant.

malachi 3:Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: < ( john the baptist) and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORDof hosts. 2But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap"

the apostles were spreading the gospel the epistles they wrote and sent to the church were corrective letters sent back to churches established on the Gospel. they too were of course speaking of the Gospel, estifying to its truth, but the Gospel is everything you read in the 4 gospels. it was promised in the prophets and Law, preached to abraham in this way " through thy seed all nations on earth will be blessed" a foretelling of the Gospel.

the Gospel is the beginning and end of the Bible, but its found in the middle those four books. its the new and eternal covenant. the apostles were messengers of that One Gospel of the Kingdom. the Whiole bible isnt the Gospel, the la and prophets were first preached to prepare the world for the Gospel, that Jesus would bring, and the apostles were witnesses of Jesus and spreaders of that Goispel. its all relevant, but the Gospel is set apart from all other scripture.