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After listening for quite some time, I still do not understand what doctrines, Jesus has revealed, some people on ChristianCat believe to be nonessential doctrines.

Ifyou believe that belief in correct doctrine(s) is nonessential, which correct doctrine(s) do you believe to be nonessential? Which correct doctrine(s) do you believe Jesus gave us the right to deny?





 

trofimus

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There are probably two ways of defining a non-essential doctrine:

1) The ones not influencing one´s salvation, even though clearly taught in Scriptures (like to rejoice always, to love enemies etc)

2) The ones not clear enough and being debated among Christians (e.g eschatology)
 
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There are probably two ways of defining a non-essential doctrine:

1) The ones not influencing one´s salvation, even though clearly taught in Scriptures (like to rejoice always, to love enemies etc)

2) The ones not clear enough and being debated among Christians (e.g eschatology)
Which correct doctrines did Jesus reveal to be nonessential?
 

PennEd

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Which correct doctrines did Jesus reveal to be nonessential?

People have differing views on the "correct" part of your statement. That's why you would have to name a specific doctrine to see if YOU have a "correct" understanding of it.
 

Nehemiah6

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If you believe that belief in correct doctrine(s) is nonessential, which correct doctrine(s) do you believe to be nonessential? Which correct doctrine(s) do you believe Jesus gave us the right to deny?

There is nothing in the Bible about "non-essential" doctrines. That is another myth created by men.
 
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Nobody on ChristianChat is able to give a list of correct doctrines, Christ has revealed to us, they believe to be nonessential. They know dang well that ALL CORRECT DOCTRINE CHRIST HAS REVEALED IS ESSENTIAL.
 
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There is nothing in the Bible about "non-essential" doctrines. That is another myth created by men.
That is exactly why these people are unable to come up with a list of nonessential doctrine; they know that correct doctrines Christ has revealed to us are all essential for salvation. Unbelief is one of the greatest sins. Is the sin, of unbelief, "BLASPHEMEY."
 

Nehemiah6

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non-essential for salvation...the virgin birth of Christ
Not really. Had Christ not been born of a virgin, (a) He could not have been a fully sinless Man ("separate from sinners") supernaturally conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit, and (b) He could not have fulfilled the prophecy regarding the seed of the woman.
 

PennEd

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That is exactly why these people are unable to come up with a list of nonessential doctrine; they know that correct doctrines Christ has revealed to us are all essential for salvation. Unbelief is one of the greatest sins. Is the sin, of unbelief, "BLASPHEMEY."
I felt a pang of masochism so I read your other thread with the ridiculous poll question.

So I'll humor you for slightly longer if you give YOUR list of what YOU think is correct doctrine laid forth by Jesus.
 

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Live chats are a waste of time. End of discussion.
 

Prov910

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Did Jesus ever say that X is doctrine, but Y isn't? I believe we (followers) have defined various beliefs as doctrinal based on Jesus' teachings and other things in the bible.
 

John146

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Not really. Had Christ not been born of a virgin, (a) He could not have been a fully sinless Man ("separate from sinners") supernaturally conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit, and (b) He could not have fulfilled the prophecy regarding the seed of the woman.
Yes, but that knowledge is not needed for one to understand the gospel and be saved. Are you saying that in order to preach the gospel, you need to include the virgin birth? Can one be saved without knowledge of the virgin birth?
 
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Christianity is so divided, I sometimes wonder if 95% of people have it wrong, and the 5% maybe have some truth about them. But numbers often define legitimacy in mans mind, 95-5 defines outright truth. (I mean duh of course right? lol)
 

Enow

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Does nonessential practice mean the same thing as nonessential doctrine? Or maybe they meant nonessential practice all along?

Like for the example that Paul teaches that a man should pray with his head uncovered; and when he is ministering the word, whereas a woman is to have her head covered when she prays and when she is doing outreach ministry, to have her head covered at that time too? Would that be considered as nonessential practice rather than an essential doctrine?

Paul starts out bold as if saying it was of the ordinances he had given to churches, but the way that ended in verse 16, makes me wonder if that was not an ordinance but a different topic regarding a custom not to make a big deal out of it?

1 Corinthians 11:[SUP]2 [/SUP]Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you.[SUP]3 [/SUP]But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.[SUP]4 [/SUP]Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.[SUP] 5 [/SUP]But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.[SUP] 6 [/SUP]For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.[SUP] 7 [/SUP]For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.[SUP] 8 [/SUP]For the man is not of the woman: but the woman of the man.[SUP]9 [/SUP]Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.[SUP] 10 [/SUP]For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.[SUP] 11 [/SUP]Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.[SUP]12 [/SUP]For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God.[SUP] 13 [/SUP]Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered?[SUP]14 [/SUP]Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?[SUP] 15 [/SUP]But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.[SUP] 16 [/SUP]But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.

Or was that Paul's way of saying that if any one opposes this, there is no other such custom, neither in the churches of God otherwise to reprove those that are contentious? I reckon we should all ask Jesus Christ for wisdom on this example as well as the OP.
 

Nehemiah6

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Yes, but that knowledge is not needed for one to understand the gospel and be saved. Are you saying that in order to preach the gospel, you need to include the virgin birth? Can one be saved without knowledge of the virgin birth?
In order to preach the Gospel we must preach that Christ -- the sinless Son of God -- took all our our sins upon Himself, and paid the sin debt in full.

But in order to preach that He is sinless it is essential to show that Jesus was supernaturally conceived in a virgin's womb and therefore without the sin nature inherited from Adam -- "separate from sinners".
 
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Not really. Had Christ not been born of a virgin, (a) He could not have been a fully sinless Man ("separate from sinners") supernaturally conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit, and (b) He could not have fulfilled the prophecy regarding the seed of the woman.
Are you saying when the Holy Spirit reveals to someone they need a savior he also reveals the virgin birth to them?
 
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There is nothing in the Bible about "non-essential" doctrines. That is another myth created by men.
I agree 100% here! Its a way to avoid having discussions and also ripping out pages of the Bible you do not like.

Its not a myth as much as a direct attack on the Bible.
 

Dino246

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The OP strikes me as an invitation to an argument, not a discussion.

He's playing with words, carefully structuring his statements so that he reveals nothing, while drawing out the opinions of others, which he can then attack with questions because they don't line up with his agenda (whatever it is).