Why do so Many People use "Yeshua" Instead of "Jesus."
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My understanding is some view it as the "real" name of Jesus. And using Jesus is not "accurate" and therefore wrong. Some take it as far as claiming it's a false Jesus and we are being deceived into calling on a false God.
Personally I think it's a bit legalistic. God knows the heart.
Ironically different people have different spellings that are the "right" one.
Personally I think it's a bit legalistic. God knows the heart.
Ironically different people have different spellings that are the "right" one.
It's not a terrible thing. I have a friend from Belarus and i call him by the way his name is pronounced in Russian, though the standard English way to say his name is subtly different. i try to pronounce my Chinese friends names correctly in their native language too, even though it's perfectly acceptable to Anglicize them. It's just a small show of respect, because i care for them.
Of course i could also turn that into something intentionally pretentious, and it could be taken in a way i never intended.
We shouldn't judge people's attitude just by this, is my feeling. Many people do this for respect and love, and online you will meet actual Messianic ethnic Jews who talk like this because it's their culture, too. Get more info than the jargon a person uses before you start forming opinions of them and what they are doing, IMO. My experience has been that the criticism others have posted is valid in some cases and invalid in others
Of course i could also turn that into something intentionally pretentious, and it could be taken in a way i never intended.
We shouldn't judge people's attitude just by this, is my feeling. Many people do this for respect and love, and online you will meet actual Messianic ethnic Jews who talk like this because it's their culture, too. Get more info than the jargon a person uses before you start forming opinions of them and what they are doing, IMO. My experience has been that the criticism others have posted is valid in some cases and invalid in others
We are all bad, some just don't know better and don't like English (humor needs help here as well). Referring to the English name of God but it's one place that French and English get along. I happen to know that Jesus responds being addressed in English or French or in any language and He did break the covenant with the Jews in His death and resurrection.
Many folks think nothing of telling you the Greek/ Hebrew word in place of the English to make a point fit.. and if others have come to learn of what they believe is a closer to original name of the Lord then leave them be.. i personally prefer Yahshua yet Joshua is used for the name Jesus in the New Testament. So without any outside search or knowledge Joshua is given as insight...
Some judgmental statements here. I feel the need to state my views.
So I grew up using Jesus but found out;
His real name is יהושע
in English that is Yahshua/Yahushua,
and it meaning is beautiful, it means YHWH'sSalvation. I personally use it because I beleive it is His real name and I believe if we are in a relationship with someone we should use their real name. This is my personal choice, I don't condem any who use another name, and in my experience I have found more people have a problem with me using Yahshua than I have ever had with people using Jesus or whatever they choose. At times I do ask people when they are talking about "God" if they mean YHWH/the Mighty One of Abraham, Issac and Jacob, as there are other religions that say "God" but are not talking about YHWH, and again Yahshua means YHWH's Salvation, so te me I have made an exact statement of who I worship, where in my opinion the Lord or God may or may not be YHWH depending on who is using it and what they believe. This is a really awesome verse IMO;
Just some thiugths...
“Jesus” is word #G2424 Ἰησοῦς Iesous (yee-sous') n/p., 1. (meaning) He is Salvation, Yahweh saves (i.e. the Savior)., 2. (person) Jesus (i.e. Yeshua, Yehoshua), the name of our Lord, also called the Last Adam., 3. (person) Joshua (i.e. Yehoshua) an Israelite, the servant and successor of Moses., 4. (person) Jeshua, also called Justus, an Israelite, a coworker with Paul., 5. (NOTE) (“Jesus” is a valid English transliteration, coming from Ancient Hebrew to Koine Greek (via the Septuagint) to Latin to Old English to Modern English. It is completely acceptable to God (Yahweh) for us call upon the Savior's name as “Jesus,” or “Iesous,” or “Yeshua,” or even “Yesu” as in Christian Arabic or in the Fijian Islands, et al. God prepared for all nations to be able to trust in the Savior and to call upon his name by preparing a language dialect for international use: the Hebraic-Koine Greek. Thus, technically and formally, the pronunciation “Iesous” was intentionally established by the Savior as the common basis for Jewish and Gentile acknowledgment of his Redemption and Salvation, going forth as needed into every tribe, native tongue, people, and nation. “Yeshua” is of course delightfully acceptable to him, when it is not used as an exclusionary name. Love edifies)., 6. (NOTE) (Revelation 3:12)., [of Hebrew origin (H3442 as the shortened form of H3091)], KJV: Jesus, Root(s): H3442, See also: H3091
Root word of “Jesus” is word #G2424 Ἰησοῦς Iesous -H3442 יֵשׁוַּע Yeshuwa` (yay-shoo'-ah) n/l., 1. he will save., 2. Jeshua, the name of ten Israelites, also of a place in Israel., [for H3091], KJV: Jeshua. , Root(s): H3091
Root word of “Jesus” is word #G2424 Ἰησοῦς Iesous - H3091 יְהוֹשׁוּעַ YhowShuw`a (yeh-ho-shoo'-ah) n/p., יְהוֹשֻׁעַ YhowShu`a (yeh-ho-shoo'-ah), 1. Yahweh-saved.2. Jehoshua (i.e. Joshua), the Jewish leader., [from H3068 and H3467], KJV: Jehoshua, Jehoshuah, Joshua., Root(s): H3068, H3467, Compare: H1954, H3442
So I grew up using Jesus but found out;
His real name is יהושע
in English that is Yahshua/Yahushua,
and it meaning is beautiful, it means YHWH'sSalvation. I personally use it because I beleive it is His real name and I believe if we are in a relationship with someone we should use their real name. This is my personal choice, I don't condem any who use another name, and in my experience I have found more people have a problem with me using Yahshua than I have ever had with people using Jesus or whatever they choose. At times I do ask people when they are talking about "God" if they mean YHWH/the Mighty One of Abraham, Issac and Jacob, as there are other religions that say "God" but are not talking about YHWH, and again Yahshua means YHWH's Salvation, so te me I have made an exact statement of who I worship, where in my opinion the Lord or God may or may not be YHWH depending on who is using it and what they believe. This is a really awesome verse IMO;
Proverbs 30:4, "Who has ascended into heaven, or descended? Who has gathered the wind in His fists? Who has bound up the waters in His garment? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is His Name? And what is the Name of His Son? Tell me, if you know!"
Just some thiugths...
“Jesus” is word #G2424 Ἰησοῦς Iesous (yee-sous') n/p., 1. (meaning) He is Salvation, Yahweh saves (i.e. the Savior)., 2. (person) Jesus (i.e. Yeshua, Yehoshua), the name of our Lord, also called the Last Adam., 3. (person) Joshua (i.e. Yehoshua) an Israelite, the servant and successor of Moses., 4. (person) Jeshua, also called Justus, an Israelite, a coworker with Paul., 5. (NOTE) (“Jesus” is a valid English transliteration, coming from Ancient Hebrew to Koine Greek (via the Septuagint) to Latin to Old English to Modern English. It is completely acceptable to God (Yahweh) for us call upon the Savior's name as “Jesus,” or “Iesous,” or “Yeshua,” or even “Yesu” as in Christian Arabic or in the Fijian Islands, et al. God prepared for all nations to be able to trust in the Savior and to call upon his name by preparing a language dialect for international use: the Hebraic-Koine Greek. Thus, technically and formally, the pronunciation “Iesous” was intentionally established by the Savior as the common basis for Jewish and Gentile acknowledgment of his Redemption and Salvation, going forth as needed into every tribe, native tongue, people, and nation. “Yeshua” is of course delightfully acceptable to him, when it is not used as an exclusionary name. Love edifies)., 6. (NOTE) (Revelation 3:12)., [of Hebrew origin (H3442 as the shortened form of H3091)], KJV: Jesus, Root(s): H3442, See also: H3091
Root word of “Jesus” is word #G2424 Ἰησοῦς Iesous -H3442 יֵשׁוַּע Yeshuwa` (yay-shoo'-ah) n/l., 1. he will save., 2. Jeshua, the name of ten Israelites, also of a place in Israel., [for H3091], KJV: Jeshua. , Root(s): H3091
Root word of “Jesus” is word #G2424 Ἰησοῦς Iesous - H3091 יְהוֹשׁוּעַ YhowShuw`a (yeh-ho-shoo'-ah) n/p., יְהוֹשֻׁעַ YhowShu`a (yeh-ho-shoo'-ah), 1. Yahweh-saved.2. Jehoshua (i.e. Joshua), the Jewish leader., [from H3068 and H3467], KJV: Jehoshua, Jehoshuah, Joshua., Root(s): H3068, H3467, Compare: H1954, H3442
Well, In the 5700+ Greek manuscripts we have available of the New Testament the Greek name to which "Jesus" is attributed is "IESOUS"
"IESOUS" is transliterated into the 1611 King James Authorized Version of the Bible as "Iesus"
"Iesus" was later changed in the 1769 Blayney Revision of the 1611 into "Jesus"
A transliteration is NOT the same as a translation.
The direct translation of the Greek "IESOUS" into Hebrew is "Yehoshua" and the Aramaic "Yeshua"
And the direct English translation is "Joshua"
So, "IESOUS" = "Yeshoshua" = "Yeshua" = "Joshua".
The name "Jesus" is younger than 400 years old and is the direct result of poor scholarship.
Now, does this mean that those who came to know the Messiah and His sacrifice are lost for using the name "Jesus", ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!! The name "Jesus" is a man-made title attributed to the Hebrew Messiah. And it's creation is not at all one of malice or ill-intent. Neither is it's purpose maleficent in nature. For certain the name "Jesus" is an acceptable word to reference the Messiah of Israel. One is not more or less "Saved" for using the name "Jesus" or "Yeshua". I will chalk this up to personal preference and personal conviction. It is not an issue of one being a "Judaizer".
"IESOUS" is transliterated into the 1611 King James Authorized Version of the Bible as "Iesus"
"Iesus" was later changed in the 1769 Blayney Revision of the 1611 into "Jesus"
A transliteration is NOT the same as a translation.
The direct translation of the Greek "IESOUS" into Hebrew is "Yehoshua" and the Aramaic "Yeshua"
And the direct English translation is "Joshua"
So, "IESOUS" = "Yeshoshua" = "Yeshua" = "Joshua".
The name "Jesus" is younger than 400 years old and is the direct result of poor scholarship.
Now, does this mean that those who came to know the Messiah and His sacrifice are lost for using the name "Jesus", ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!! The name "Jesus" is a man-made title attributed to the Hebrew Messiah. And it's creation is not at all one of malice or ill-intent. Neither is it's purpose maleficent in nature. For certain the name "Jesus" is an acceptable word to reference the Messiah of Israel. One is not more or less "Saved" for using the name "Jesus" or "Yeshua". I will chalk this up to personal preference and personal conviction. It is not an issue of one being a "Judaizer".
It is true that many have worshipped gods.. you would have to be naive not to think they still do... and not all worship the GOD of Abraham , Isaac and Jacob.. it is true that some believe in their false gods but pose as believing in the True Almighty GOD and His Son Yahshua in order to deceive many.. the Catholic Church is blatant but any who affiliate should become suspicious too... I’m sorry but to deceive even the elect they were going to have to penetrate and pose as Light.. peace and safety will be the proposed intent.. but beware... pray and hold fast even when lines are blurred the Light of GOD overcomes to those that believe...
I think it has to do with dispensationalism and the rebuilding of the temple, as if Christ has not come in the flesh. This new Judaism. It is replacing the results of the first century reformation.So that men who require an outward sign before they believe can walk by sight after the three avenues of this world. Having received their reward, false pride, bigger barns.
1John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
And he spake a parable unto them, saying, The ground of a certain rich man brought forth plentifully:And he thought within himself, saying, What shall I do, because I have no room where to bestow my fruits?And he said, This will I do: I will pull down my barns, and build greater; and there will I bestow allmy fruits and my goods.And I will say to my soul, Soul, thou hast much goods laid up for many years; take thine ease, eat, drink, and be merry.But God said unto him, Thou fool, this night thy soul shall be required of thee: then whose shall those things be, which thou hast provided? So is he that layeth up treasure for himself, and is not rich toward God..Luk 12:16
Even Christians do foolish things.Christ according to the hearing of faith cannot deny His ownself. He gives ears to hear what the Spirit says to the church.
Gal 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
Therefore not making Galatians 5:16 without effect.
Galatians 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
1John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
And he spake a parable unto them, saying, The ground of a certain rich man brought forth plentifully:And he thought within himself, saying, What shall I do, because I have no room where to bestow my fruits?And he said, This will I do: I will pull down my barns, and build greater; and there will I bestow allmy fruits and my goods.And I will say to my soul, Soul, thou hast much goods laid up for many years; take thine ease, eat, drink, and be merry.But God said unto him, Thou fool, this night thy soul shall be required of thee: then whose shall those things be, which thou hast provided? So is he that layeth up treasure for himself, and is not rich toward God..Luk 12:16
Even Christians do foolish things.Christ according to the hearing of faith cannot deny His ownself. He gives ears to hear what the Spirit says to the church.
Gal 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
Therefore not making Galatians 5:16 without effect.
Galatians 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Ever since the Messianic Jews decided that they have to maintain their Jewishness while being Christians, they have substituted the Hebrew "Yeshua" for Jesus. The only issue which has not been addressed is how are they going to speak of the Lord Jesus Christ (which is His full name and title since the resurrection) unless they revert to Hebrew altogether?
And as far as God is concerned there is no merit in this substitution, since the name "Jesus" is spelled in many different languages in different ways. Christians should normally speak of the Lord Jesus Christ, just as Paul did within the opening lines of his epistles. That is because of this statement in Scripture:
Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. (Acts 2:36).
And as far as God is concerned there is no merit in this substitution, since the name "Jesus" is spelled in many different languages in different ways. Christians should normally speak of the Lord Jesus Christ, just as Paul did within the opening lines of his epistles. That is because of this statement in Scripture:
Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. (Acts 2:36).
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God does not have a name as us(Billy, George, Tom, Xavier, Pax, Maddox,or a boy named Sue .) in order to tell him apart from false gods. All of the names speak of immutable attribute. The attribute as savoir can spelled Jesus ,Joshua or Jehovah. No secret name society.
Isaiah 12:2 Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation.
Isaiah 12:2 Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation.