Paul exposes false application of the law

[gb9]

You are kind of an anomaly, like an exception in my view.

I think you DO understand the scriptures but the rest of the people who you "like" their posts do not.


If we are DEAD to the law then it is not our understanding or strength that is doing the Law. And if we do find ourselves working at the law by our strength and understanding then we are in fact NOT dead to the law.

So, you are not incorrect in your summary, you are spot on. But I believe you are incorrect in your application. Probably not by much but just enough to make me really nervous for you sometimes.

I am with you in the being nervous for a lot of folks who post here. I hope they are just doing the " I keep the Law-Sabbath ", " I do not sin ", " I only speak the words of God/ Christ ", stuff for show. I hope they do not really believe these things.

they certainly seem to have no fear of God, no idea of His transcendence Holiness , the words of Christ- " by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned." seem to be completely ignored by some.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Acts 24:14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

Its funny that the judaizers and legalists still consider it heresy, although they love to post and twist this verse to try and make it mean work at the law... lol

And this is what they consider heresy;

Romans 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

Galatians 2:19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.

Galatians 3:24-25
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

Romans 8:1-2
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

The sad thing they do not understand what the law os sin and death is, or why it is called that

 

[Nehemiah6]

He did not say, Do not commit adultery, and in doing so you fulfill love.’

Really? Since you agree that Paul speaks on behalf of Christ, I will quote from the same passage (Rom 13)

For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Really? Since you agree that Paul speaks on behalf of Christ, I will quote from the same passage (Rom 13)

For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Yep. and if you interpret that correctly. It is the reason that YOU LOVE your neighbor that you do not SIN AGAINST your neighbor.

If I do not commit adultry, but IU do not have love, what good is it? It is still sin, Because I have not loved.

 

[Rosemaryx]

Hi all...I don`t claim to know much about anything, but I do know that Paul said we should be imitators of him, I believe he said this because his ministry came from our LORD Jesus Christ Himself...

1 Corinthians 4;15-17 15Even if you have ten thousand guardians in Christ, you do not have many fathers; for in Christ Jesus I became your father through the gospel. 16Therefore I urge you to imitate me.17That is why I have sent you Timothy, my beloved and faithful child in the Lord. He will remind you of my way of life in Christ Jesus, which is exactly what I teach everywhere in every church.…xox...

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Hi all...I don`t claim to know much about anything, but I do know that Paul said we should be imitators of him, I believe he said this because his ministry came from our LORD Jesus Christ Himself...

1 Corinthians 4;15-17 15Even if you have ten thousand guardians in Christ, you do not have many fathers; for in Christ Jesus I became your father through the gospel. 16Therefore I urge you to imitate me.17That is why I have sent you Timothy, my beloved and faithful child in the Lord. He will remind you of my way of life in Christ Jesus, which is exactly what I teach everywhere in every church.…xox...

Amen, he did. And what was Jesus motivation in all he did? Love, He gave us the perfect example of what it means to have power over sin.

 

[Nehemiah6]

If I do not commit adultry, but IU do not have love, what good is it? It is still sin, Because I have not loved.

Does this even make any sense? How can you have sinned if you DID NOT commit adultery? So you are really confused and confusing the issue. But now you cannot deny that not committing adultery = loving your neighbor, since that is precisely what Paul stated and he was taught by Christ Himself.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Does this even make any sense? How can you have sinned if you DID NOT commit adultery? So you are really confused and confusing the issue. But now you cannot deny that not committing adultery = loving your neighbor, since that is precisely what Paul stated and he was taught by Christ Himself.

Who said it was not sin? I did not. Try reading again

why did I not commit adultyry? Because I was afraid to be punished, or because I loved my wife.

If it is the first, then I was still in sin, because I did it out of fear. Not out of love.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Who said it was not sin? I did not. Try reading again

I think you should try reading that again.

"If I do not commit adultry, but IU do not have love, what good is it? It is still sin, Because I have not loved."

So what you have claimed here is "...if I do not have love...", and "...because I have not loved...", even if I DO NOT commit adultery, it is still sin. If I do not commit adultery...It is still sin.

So now you have entered into the realm of the bizarre. And that is because you are trying to go overboard with your idea that the Ten Commandments are not for Christians.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I think you should try reading that again.
If I do not commit adultry, but IU do not have love, what good is it? It is still sin, Because I have not loved.
So what you have claimed here is "if I do not have love", and "because I have not loved", even if I DO NOT commit adultery, it is still sin. If I do not commit adultery...It is still sin.

So now you have entered into the realm of the bizarre.

Listen to what I said.

I did not commit adultyry out of self righteousness, I did it because I was obeying a law. (Legalism) Not because I loved my wife.

It is called human good, it is called self righteousness. Call it whatever you want.

IT IS STILL SIN.

 

[loveme1]

Hi all...I don`t claim to know much about anything, but I do know that Paul said we should be imitators of him, I believe he said this because his ministry came from our LORD Jesus Christ Himself...

1 Corinthians 4;15-17 15Even if you have ten thousand guardians in Christ, you do not have many fathers; for in Christ Jesus I became your father through the gospel. 16Therefore I urge you to imitate me.17That is why I have sent you Timothy, my beloved and faithful child in the Lord. He will remind you of my way of life in Christ Jesus, which is exactly what I teach everywhere in every church.…xox...

Timothy was to remind them of Paul’s way of life in Christ.. which is what he taught everywhere.. Paul had Begotten them through the Gospel.. and by the same token one will say Paul said to the Church at Corinthians be like Him . the Lord wrote instruction to the Churches in Revelation..

Revelation 3

4And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
15I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. 16So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. 17Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: 18I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. 19As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent. 20Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. 21To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. 22He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.


So if we are going to listen to what Paul speaks to the churches we sure better be listening to the Lord when He counsels..



Ephesians 4


4 I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called,
2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;
3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.
4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.
17 This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind,
18 Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:
19 Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.
20 But ye have not so learned Christ;
21 If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:
22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
25 Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another.
26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:
27 Neither give place to the devil.
28 Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.
29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:
32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.







So as Believers that have the Holy Bible at hand we can learn of Christ and follow His example.. Just as Paul meant when he said imitate me.. for He was a Believer in Christ... given much wisdom to share.. but Paul Himself said:


1 Corinthians 1


10Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. 11For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the houseof Chloe, that there are contentions among you. 12Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ. 13Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul? 14I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius; 15Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name. 16And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other. 17For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.

 

[vic1980]

Matthew 12:41 The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.

Examine one self , have we really repented as the men of nineveh or branch our own path ???


As Peter stated "We must obey God rather than men"

Shalom

 

[loveme1]

You are kind of an anomaly, like an exception in my view.

I think you DO understand the scriptures but the rest of the people who you "like" their posts do not.


If we are DEAD to the law then it is not our understanding or strength that is doing the Law. And if we do find ourselves working at the law by our strength and understanding then we are in fact NOT dead to the law.

So, you are not incorrect in your summary, you are spot on. But I believe you are incorrect in your application. Probably not by much but just enough to make me really nervous for you sometimes.

My application is Love and Gratitude and that I share... and if we are to come together in unity of Christ then we all have something to share as Believers.. and I know I’m edified here and love to be abased and reminded.. humbled that we all are saved because of GOD’s Grace through Faith.. for if ever one should start to boast as if they are saving themselves by their works then let us all come together and share that we are being perfected by Christ the author and finisher of our Faith.. here is something that I like:

Luke 17

7But which of you, having a servant plowing or feeding cattle, will say unto him by and by, when he is come from the field, Go and sit down to meat? 8And will not rather say unto him, Make ready wherewith I may sup, and gird thyself, and serve me, till I have eaten and drunken; and afterward thou shalt eat and drink? 9Doth he thank that servant because he did the things that were commanded him? I trow not. 10So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do.


we are unprofitable servants doing our duty to their Master... whom I’m at the feet of... do not mistake my love for my Lord as anything other than love by doing what He teaches.. I’m saved unto His good works not by them.. so if the Lord states those that Love Him do what He instructs then my heart obeys.



In the 7th year it was that you were to release the bondman but if he loved you and did not want to leave he became your servant forever... ouch to the thrust through the ear..

 

[loveme1]

I am with you in the being nervous for a lot of folks who post here. I hope they are just doing the " I keep the Law-Sabbath ", " I do not sin ", " I only speak the words of God/ Christ ", stuff for show. I hope they do not really believe these things.

they certainly seem to have no fear of God, no idea of His transcendence Holiness , the words of Christ- " by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned." seem to be completely ignored by some.

It is written we should work out our our own Salvation with fear and trembling.. now Love and encourage each other but do not be nervous for folks that are walking the path of Righteousness following the Good Shepherd.. for GOD keeps those that Believe from falling..

We can not judge another man’s servant.. for if the man proclaims he is sinless or a servant believes he is to Keep the Sabbath Holy Which is seperate then GOD will search his garment as to whether it is defiled or not.. and if the Sabbath keeper does it not in Faith of Christ then His heart is stone and will remain until he believes the Lord is able to save him... yet if you are judging those that Believe and are in Christ.. doing what they Believe Christ instructed then you yourself will be held accountable for your word against them..

For the Jewish people keep Sabbath according to the OLD Covenant yet are dead in unbelief.. but GOD made a New Covenant Which is an agreement where His Law would be put in their hearts and on their mind.. and through His Son’s Testament it is so when we Believe..

but it It is absurd for a person to think one is not a believer for believing the Lord’s Testament..

you will be able to spot an unbelieving Jewish person because Moses will be their mediator between GOD.. and we all know that the Old Husband died having been superseded when our Lord and Saviour came and is the Only Mediator.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Listen to what I said.

I did not commit adultyry out of self righteousness, I did it because I was obeying a law. (Legalism) Not because I loved my wife.

It is called human good, it is called self righteousness. Call it whatever you want.

IT IS STILL SIN.

Not according to Scripture. To refrain from evil is NOT self-righteousness but simply righteousness. Proof?

10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another,

16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel. (Rom 2:0-16)

To attempt to be justified and establish our own righteousness instead of receiving the righteousness of Christ is self-righteousness. And that is a totally different issue. So you are indeed thoroughly confused.

 

[TMS]

The law points out our sinfulness and points us to the Savior Jesus, who paid our debt, and frees us from the penalty of the law. But Jesus says, to "go and sin no more", not because we need to earn salvation, (that is impossible) but because we love our Lord and Savior. It all fits together perfectly in all the bible texts if you understand which law was nailed to the cross and which law is to be written on our hearts.

 

[TMS]

when God gave the law (on stone), it was to the Israel nation that just came out of captivity. But i ask you this? who's law is it? Thou shall not steal, kill, or take the Lords name in vain, are laws that we have no issue with today. No one says that not killing only applies to the Jews, so are the other laws just to the Jews. We are the temple of the living God and the law is Gods not the Jews, because God is the author and creator of the law, it is His to give and His to take away and i find no evidence that our God has changed the definition of sin and change any of the ten commandments.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Not according to Scripture. To refrain from evil is NOT self-righteousness but simply righteousness. Proof?

10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another,

16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel. (Rom 2:0-16)

To attempt to be justified and establish our own righteousness instead of receiving the righteousness of Christ is self-righteousness. And that is a totally different issue. So you are indeed thoroughly confused.

lol please stop.

I am talking about the motivation. Why I am doing what I am doing, or not doing what I am not doing.

Is it for self gain? For self gratification, For self promotion. (Like the pharisees did things and many religious people do today. Not out of a hearty of love, but a heart of selfishness they call obedience) then it is self righteousness, and is called bloody rage by scripture.

If I am a child of God. And I do it from the motivation of love, with no thought of self. Then it is called thge work of God.

Lobe fulfills the law. The law does not fulfill love. period.

 

[mailmandan]

when God gave the law (on stone), it was to the Israel nation that just came out of captivity. But i ask you this? who's law is it? Thou shall not steal, kill, or take the Lords name in vain, are laws that we have no issue with today. No one says that not killing only applies to the Jews, so are the other laws just to the Jews. We are the temple of the living God and the law is Gods not the Jews, because God is the author and creator of the law, it is His to give and His to take away and i find no evidence that our God has changed the definition of sin and change any of the ten commandments.

All of the moral precepts of the Ten Commandments are repeated under the New Covenant, except for the command to keep the Sabbath day.

1. You shall have no other gods before Me. - Acts 14:15
2. You shall make no idols. - 1 John 5:21
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain. - James 5:12
4. Keep the Sabbath day holy. - Not binding on the Church - Colossians 2:16-17
5. Honor your father and your mother. - Ephesians 6:1-2
6. You shall not murder. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 John 3:15
7. You shall not commit adultery. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
8. You shall not steal. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 4:28
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. - Romans 13:9-10; Colossians 3:9-10
10. You shall not covet. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 5:3

Sabbath keeping with all it's rules and regulations (Exodus 16:23; 31:12-18; 35:3; Leviticus 23:32; Jeremiah 17:21; 19:30; 23:2-3; Numbers 15:32-36; 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13) was part of a covenant with Israel under the Old Covenant that is not binding on The Church/Christians under the New Covenant. (Colossians 2:16,17)

 

[Snoozy]

All of the moral precepts of the Ten Commandments are repeated under the New Covenant, except for the command to keep the Sabbath day.

1. You shall have no other gods before Me. - Acts 14:15
2. You shall make no idols. - 1 John 5:21
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain. - James 5:12
4. Keep the Sabbath day holy. - Not binding on the Church - Colossians 2:16-17
5. Honor your father and your mother. - Ephesians 6:1-2
6. You shall not murder. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 John 3:15
7. You shall not commit adultery. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
8. You shall not steal. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 4:28
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. - Romans 13:9-10; Colossians 3:9-10
10. You shall not covet. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 5:3

Sabbath keeping with all it's rules and regulations (Exodus 16:23; 31:12-18; 35:3; Leviticus 23:32; Jeremiah 17:21; 19:30; 23:2-3; Numbers 15:32-36; 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13) was part of a covenant with Israel under the Old Covenant that is not binding on The Church/Christians under the New Covenant. (Colossians 2:16,17)

amen great post said it all. notice the regulations for keeping the sabbath are impossible today. no one actually keeps it. the fakers from the hebrew roots cults only claim they do.

this is why its important to rightly divide the word of truth or u will end up with all kinds of false doctrines.

usually a good way to spot a cult is they are heavily focused on a couple verses from the old testament.