Paul exposes false application of the law

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It was written by the Hand of the Most High;

Exodus 31:18, “And when He had ended speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Mosheh two tablets of the Witness, tablets of stone, written with the finger of the Mighty One.”

Deuteronomy 9:10-11, “Then יהוהgave me the two tablets of stone written with the finger of the Mighty One, and on them were all the Words which יהוה had spoken to you on the mountain from the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly. And it came to be, at the end of forty days and forty nights, that יהוהgave me the two tablets of stone, the tablets of the covenant.”

and it was not any regular stone;

Exodus 24:10-12, "24:10, "and they saw the Mighty One of Yisra’yl, and under His feet like a paved work of sapphire stone, and like the heavens for brightness. Yet He did not stretch out His hand against the chiefs of the children of Yisra’yl! And they saw Elohim, and they ate and drank. And יהוה said to Mosheh, “Come up to Me on the mountain and be there, while I give you tablets of stone, and the Torah and the command which I have written, to teach them.”

and if you beleive the Messiah the Law of YHWH stands. no Levitical preiesthood as in Moses day, now Yahshua is the High Priest

Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."

And it requires perfect obedience

Duet 27: 26 [FONT=&quot]‘Cursed [/FONT]is the one who does not confirm all the words of this law by observing them.’[FONT=&quot]“And all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’[/FONT]
And paul confirmed it in his letter to the galations.
Gal 3: [FONT=&quot]For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed iseveryone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.”[e] [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]11 But that no one is justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for “the just shall live by faith.”[f] [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]12 Yet the law is not of faith, but “the man who does them shall live by them.”

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[FONT=&quot]He says clearly, the law is NOT OF FAITH, but anyone who attempts to follow them MUST DO THEM. ALL OF THEM, break even one command your guilty of them all as James said.

You want to push law. You better be perfect. Because otherwise, You will fail. You will either be lost (if it was being done to earn salvation) or lost believers who are walking the wrong path attempting to grow in christ, Thinkin you have because you do not murder lie. Covet or steel (according to the letter) when like the pharisees, You probably do these things often. But are blind to it, because your following the letter not the spirit. Thus you have watered Gods law down to fit your own needs.

YOU CAN NOT be SANCTIFIED by the law. IT WAS NOT GIVEN FOR THAT PURPOSE

Your sanctified by the Sspiritual law. Which is Love Mercy and forgiveness, Faith against where there IS NO LAW. Because no law is NEEDED.

Trust in christ, not in some letter given to lead people to christ. Have you found Christ yet? One can only wonder

of course the law will never cease. There will always be need of people who have yet to come to christ. The tutor wil always be there.
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If we seek the law of Righteousness by works we stumble at the Rock... if we seek the law of Righteousness through Faith in Christ.. we obtain it... and are freed under Grace at liberty to Love GOD and each other.. yet to believe the Sabbath is somehow against Loving GOD is unbelieving of the Lord’s Testament.. it is taught... I believe the Lord... if the Lord had said you have heard it said before Remember to Keep the Sabbath Holy.. but I say unto you you no longer have to.. then I could see where all were coming from but the Lord states He is the Lord of the Sabbath and that Sabbath was made for man not man for Sabbath and that it is lawful to do good.... and GOD stated that He shows mercy to those that Love Him and Keep His Commandments.. So if I’m under Grace at Liberty after being loved and forgiven by the Lord then my new seed is going to be watered and grow by Believing the Lord and doing what He instructs.. an unworthy servant and no boast..

Faith is increased by doing what He tells us to do..

The Believing branch lives through the Good Root and all fruit on the branch is of the Good Root... the Branch does not produce good fruit of itself.. because by itself it has no Root and is dead...

WHAT? WHo said the sabbath was against the loving of God? You always have an excuse don;t you? Then wonder why people claim all thge slander thrown around.

You have been duped by whatever teachers you listen to. You need to start learning the true counsel of God.

The law is works. FAITH is trust

It is not saying we do works by faith, it is saying we trust jesus.
 
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Do you keep the speed limit out fear of being prosecuted or respect for your government?

The thing is you will have people keeping the speed limit because 1) they understand that if we drive like maniacs we will eventually end up in an accidents and they have respect for their fellow road user and the government 2) out of fear for paying a ticket and they don't have the money.

The same goes for us keeping God's instruction, you will have people keeping it because they love God and want to build relationship with Him, then you have people keeping it out of fear for being punished.
If you are loving others, you do not need the laws. By application, or automation, you will never even be tempted to break laws. Laws are their for the lawless. Not for the righteous.

Paul attempted to show this in his letter. Anyone who teaches otherwise is not teaching the law correctly. And not leading to godly edification. Those are the words of paul
 

loveme1

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You need to learn that I never said Gods law changed, I said Gods law was given for a specific purpose. That purpose is to lead us to christ.

It is the law of Derath paul calls it, It is the law which brings a curse paul calls it.

It will not save you

it will not bring you to spiritual maturity

it will not make you a holy set apart christian, it was not designed for those things.

But you want to keep pushing them, Good luck with that.

So you are lead to Christ who tells you to Keep the Commandments.. and if GOD’s Law did not change.. but Christ gave the Instruction in His Testament.. then what changed? The sinner is changed inwardly.. yes given a New incorruptible seed that needs watering to grow...the Holy Spirit Baptism.. how will it grow? By Believing... by walking in the Spirit and not the flesh.. you are right one is not set apart unless they Believe... yet they will find GOD’s Law written in their heart and on their mind..

You need to learn that GOD’s Law is Holy and Good it was the creation that needed changing and GOD made a way through His Beloved Son who was Victorious on our behalf.. to be able to guide and comfort us into the Kingdom of GOD.. Praise and thank GOD for His Grace, Mercy and Love toward us through the Messiah.

There is no condemnation for us and we are free to Love and no one can take us out of His Loving Arms.. all He asks is we hear and obey His voice..
 
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"The same goes for us keeping God's instruction, you will have people keeping it because they love God and want to build relationship with Him, then you have people keeping it out of fear for being punished."

To me? This is the fuller meaning of that Bible verse which says: "The FEAR of God, is the beginning of wisdom." :cool:
The word fear there means respect. Not fear most people think (the English word)

Some people are busy keeping rules and regulations, thinking in doin them they love God. Saints they are so focused on serving self by being obedient to these rues. They are missing out on serving others. And otyher things Gods wants to do.

That is why they are called works of the flesh. We do them for self. No matter what our motivation.
 
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Why are you trying to attatch that I’m talking about anything other than unto good works?

I’m not accused by being labelled a legalist.. tar and brush comes to mind.. I’m content to Believe the Lord.

We are talking about what the Good Shepherd will see when He looks at His Flock.. did they hear Love and obey Him? Which is to Believe...
Because your teaching law not grace. Period
 
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I just want to interject a point that is soooooooooo simple and absolute truth......and it is for ALL who think, believe, push or assume that they KEEP THE LAW.......

UNLESS you KEEP EVERY APPLICABLE LAW...and I mean every JOT and TITTLE 24/7/365 your whole life....YOU CANNOT SAY TRUTHFULLY and BIBLICALLY that YOU KEEP THE LAW.

TO break the LEAST of the commandments...even if BUT 1 TIME your whole LIFE makes you a LAW BREAKER and that which was designed to PROVE GUILT and CONDEMN (THE LAW) WILL NEVER justify and or make right before GOD.....

END of story......the above is TRUE and RIGHT.............................the entire purpose of the LAW was to shut our MOUTHS, PROVE our GUILT and INABILITY to MEET GOD'S standard of righteousness and POINTS US TO JESUS as the ONLY CURE......

That is the point,

while claiming they keep the law. They are breaking it/ Because they are lieing about what they are really doing and being deciebed themselves.
 
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So you are lead to Christ who tells you to Keep the Commandments.. and if GOD’s Law did not change.. but Christ gave the Instruction in His Testament.. then what changed? The sinner is changed inwardly.. yes given a New incorruptible seed that needs watering to grow...the Holy Spirit Baptism.. how will it grow? By Believing... by walking in the Spirit and not the flesh.. you are right one is not set apart unless they Believe... yet they will find GOD’s Law written in their heart and on their mind..

You need to learn that GOD’s Law is Holy and Good it was the creation that needed changing and GOD made a way through His Beloved Son who was Victorious on our behalf.. to be able to guide and comfort us into the Kingdom of GOD.. Praise and thank GOD for His Grace, Mercy and Love toward us through the Messiah.

There is no condemnation for us and we are free to Love and no one can take us out of His Loving Arms.. all He asks is we hear and obey His voice..

WHO SAID I DO NOT KEEP COMMANDS?

Loveme, this is getting old. I told you last night your not listening to a word I say, Youi still are not listening. You are talking to me based on your false knowledge of what I believe most likely based on what you hae been taught. And what your buddies are telling you.

I AM NOT ASGAINST THE LAW

I AM AGAINST FALSE APPLICATION OF THE LAW.

and I AM AGAINST those who are teaching what being obedienct to Gods commands really looks like and HOW IT IS DONE.

If your not going to listen. Please stop. We will never get anywhere.
 

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Do a reality check about what and who you base your standing on.

You get up in the morning and are seeking the Lord., you pray and read your Bible and understand a fresh how you're saved and your reading about how your supposed to be and what you want to be. You are all joyful and happy in the knowledge....as you leave the table and go to work joyful and empowered to meet the day and witness to people about Jesus.

As you are driving and fully worshiping the Lord singing worship songs from your CD player for the amazing time of worship you had with Him., a car with a very annoying guy cuts you off and gives you the hand gesture. Inside you are actually seething with anger (in just seconds) from when you were singing songs of worship! The contrast is startling. The guy almost caused you to crash and yet he gives you that gesture. So you lay on your horn and you feel road rage as if you could you would send him off to jail and make him pay pay pay.

Then suddenly you are struck with what a failure you are. What a mess you are what a hypocrite you are. This morning you thought you had an amazing time with the Lord and were strengthened in your spirit (you thought and felt) But now you feel like a total failure and even are doubting if you even had this time of fellowship with Jesus. You think maybe you made it all up in your mind since it came and went so fast.

You feel like you totally let Him down and you are not worthy to go to Him again because the same thing has happend before. You are up and joyful but then later you fail and are so disappointed in yourself and you "know" God is totally just as disappointed in you.

You just had a most spiritual and sincere experience with the Lord only just this morning before leaving the house and yet it didn't do anything. It must have been a figment of your stupid imagination since it didn't empower you to change.

All you can think as you go to work now is what a failure you are and you have nothing to offer anyone at work for Jesus. Telling them about Jesus and His power to save and change them is a joke since you can't even keep your temper. You lose hope and joy and peace and are filled with self doubt and loathing as in just minutes your joy was turned to sorrow. You don't even want to go to work anymore.


Now.... In contrast... here is what happens to one who knows their approval comes from Jesus and God loves and approves of them.

You have your time of worship., you are joyful and empowered just like before only you know you are accepted and loved 100% in Jesus. You go to meet your day and that same guy cuts you off. You feel that anger and you lay on your horn wanting to let the guy know you are angry and he should pay. You see him drive off and you realize and reflect... wow., I felt such anger Lord I'm sorry., that flesh is still there for sure!!

Oh thank you Lord for paying for that sin of anger against that man. Oh Lord thank you for knowing my weaknesses and paying for me to always come to the throne of grace and find help in time of need. Thank you for sparing me and thank you that I know I'm the same as that guy without You Lord.


Thank You so much Jesus for taking me up and making me accepted in the beloved. Thank you that I can go forward knowing even better that You are my righteousness and that I need you to make me whole. Thank You for the time we had in the Word this morning and thank You for promising to continue to change me into Your image. Thank you for the forgiveness I have in You at all times. I pray for that guy too Lord because you love him and died for him too.

The attitude has totally changed and you go from self loathing to God's forgiveness given to you as a gift from Christ. And you will find as you continue to go through your life., you will not worry about being accepted by God, you will go to Him right away because of Jesus. You are now able to RUN to the throne of grace to find help in time of need. You no longer wait days before confronting the sin but you go now right away and thank Him for your righteous standing and His forgiveness. No more condemnation., no more guilt that keeps you away from Him., but love that causes you to run to Him.

This is how we grow so we no longer get that road rage anymore. We may have it creep up every so often but we will have learned who to go to when that happens. We have been learning more and more how Jesus died for our forgiveness and we have learned to go to Him fast and not waited days and weeks in guilt., remorse., shame., blame.,, self loathing and doubts about God's love and fear of His deep disappointment in us.

We know we are totally accepted in the beloved because of Jesus. We take that gift on a daily basis and grow thereby. It's the washing of the water of the Word being strengthened in the inner man no longer walking according to our old manner of living. We have a new way to go., We go IN Christ and the gift of His righteousness. YAHOOOOO
 

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Because your teaching law not grace. Period
I’m sharing what Christ teaches... what I’m taught by the Holy Spirit I share freely.. Grace and Truth.

The Law of GOD.. the Royal Law... the Law of Faith.. Perfect Law of Liberty... but never have I proposed the works of the law... or compel for any to be circumcised...

No I share the New wine that my bottle received by GOD’s Grace as do so, so many ...

i subscibe to no theology.. you can not place me in a denomination or cult..
 

loveme1

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WHO SAID I DO NOT KEEP COMMANDS?

Loveme, this is getting old. I told you last night your not listening to a word I say, Youi still are not listening. You are talking to me based on your false knowledge of what I believe most likely based on what you hae been taught. And what your buddies are telling you.

I AM NOT ASGAINST THE LAW

I AM AGAINST FALSE APPLICATION OF THE LAW.

and I AM AGAINST those who are teaching what being obedienct to Gods commands really looks like and HOW IT IS DONE.

If your not going to listen. Please stop. We will never get anywhere.

Listen.. you and I have conversed many times over... we have agreed to not talk.. yet here we are.. if you need to ignore me then I can not say otherwise.. but Have I said you don’t Keep the Commands? I read what you say.. and not talking from false knowledge..

There is only one application of the Law.. and that is Faith.. Faith that worketh by Love.. The Spirit given is to allow us to Love and apply our Faith... which is to live by Faith made alive by Christ..

Now if we are winding each other up rather than learning and reasoning.. edifying..then shall we agree to pass over? Shall I retreat from your thread?
 

NayborBear

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If you are loving others, you do not need the laws. By application, or automation, you will never even be tempted to break laws. Laws are their for the lawless. Not for the righteous.

Paul attempted to show this in his letter. Anyone who teaches otherwise is not teaching the law correctly. And not leading to godly edification. Those are the words of paul
Here Eg, I'll try and explain it this way. "Love is BLIND!" When one goes around saying "The Law" is of none effect? And, "Love covers a multitude of sin?" People go around walking around in some "love coma", thinking, and believing, teaching and preaching, that LOVE, covers EVERY sin! The Bible doesn't say that!

There are those of us, that "target" the "blindness" brought through blind love, which this "love (which indeed does) covers a multitude of sin", DOESN'T cover. Which has infiltrated Jesus' and every other Disciple's, and Apostles, doctrines and teachings, well? Since Jesus' Ascension. THIS is what the book of Jude is addressing.
In other words, EG? Love WITHOUT Discipline (of the law)? IS BLIND!
This is what the Lord of the Harvest DOES! If one is willing! He will "help one over the hump", of the first resurrection. Not saying this doesn't happen, after Jesus' return to Earth. Because it does! I'm saying, this also happens right now! During this current earth/heaven age. Or, this current life in these flesh bodies.
 

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Some look at It this way:The same GOD that spoke In the Old covenant Is the same GOD that spoke In the New covenant and since GOD does not change then we should try to keep the law and receive grace also.

But then If you think about It,why would JESUS come to earth If we could keep the law?

That’s why I came to the conclusion that legalistics minds think that as long as they TRY to keep the law that GOD will have more respect for them than those who did not work because at least they tried.
Sigh...
It is sad, though prophesied, that you have been deceived into believing a falsehood regarding God's Law and His Gospel. All that I ask is that you read and consider my reply, not just blow it off as others do.

Matt. 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.5
For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

Jesus could have warned about anyone, but He chose to warn about "Christians". I hope you respect Him enough to at least consider that He might have a point.

The foundation of the deceit is the purposeful omission of the Levitical Priesthood "Works of the Law" for remission of sins instated by God through Moses "Till the Seed should come". There was only one way to be made righteous according to this temporary law and that was if we sinned, we had to find a Levite, give him an offering for our sin, and he would perform Levitical Priesthood ceremonial, sacrificial "Works" to cleanse our sins. These were to be symbolic of Christ's Sacrifice. "Many" forget this.

This is true even though most Christians refuse to acknowledge it.

The Mainstream Preachers of Christ's time had corrupted God's Laws by rejecting many of them and creating their own doctrines and traditions. This was prophesied through out the Law and Prophets.

Matt. 15:3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?

7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.


Paul said because they treated God with such disrespect by doing this that their "foolish hearts were darkened".

Rom. 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

Rom. 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

Since they didn't respect God, they created their own version of God, so they didn't know Him when He became a man. So they rejected Him as their Messiah. As a result, they continued in the Levitical Priesthood ceremonial, sacrificial "Works of the Law" for remission of sins they called "The Law of Moses".

Hebrews 7 speaks to this temporary law.

Heb. 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

Jesus is our High Priest now, but the Levitical Priesthood was to be performed by Levites. Jesus was not a Levite, He came from the family of Judah so there was a "Change in the Law" to accommodate this, as prophesied.

The Mainstream Preachers of that time continued to push their version of God's Law, including the sacrificial "Works of the Law" for remission and justification of sins. They plagued Jesus, and the Apostles, and the Gentiles through out the Bible.

Because Paul taught that it was the Blood of Christ in the first place that cleansed our sin, and now that His blood has been shed, we no longer perform the "Levitical Priesthood "Works of the Law" for justification, he was accused of teaching lies about God.

Acts 13:37 But he, whom God raised again, saw no corruption.
38 Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:
39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

As you can see, Paul is explaining that sin's are forgiven by Jesus, not by the laws of justification contained in the Law of Moses.

44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

45 But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy, and spake against those things which were spoken by Paul, contradicting and blaspheming.

The Mainstream preachers of his time hated him as they hated Jesus for preaching the true Old Testament, not the doctrines and traditions of men they preached..

This continued for some time.

Acts 21:21 And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs.

But this is not true. The Jews had corrupted God's Laws and had created their own doctrines and traditions. "Their foolish hearts were darkened", they created their own version of God in the likeness of man, as it is written. Paul was teaching against their traditions and doctrines, not the Law and the Prophets.

Paul defends himself from these accusations.

Acts 24:13 Neither can they prove the things whereof they now accuse me.

14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

And again:

Acts 26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they (ALL) should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

21 For these causes the Jews caught me in the temple, and went about to kill me.

22 Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:
23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

But the Mainstream Preachers didn't stop there, they continued to try and convert the Apostles, and their flock, to their tradition soaked doctrines of man they called "The Law of Moses".

They "bewitched" the Galatians.

Gal. 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?

2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

Here it is again. What were the "Works of the law" for justification of sins? It was the Levitical Priesthood ceremonies. Paul goes on to explain as he did in Rom. 3.

Gal. 3:5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

How many times did Jesus use the blood of goats or the Levitical Priesthood law to forgive sins during His life as a man? He never did, not once.

6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

Why was Abraham so special? What does God's Word say about Abraham?

Gen. 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

But Levi wasn't even born yet, so did Abraham also have the Levitical Priesthood? No!!! Abraham was justified "Without the works of the Law"

The "works of the Law" for justification of sins didn't come until 430 years later.

Gal. 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

Abraham was justified by believing in God enough to follow His instructions. The Bible calls this FAITH. He wasn't cleansed by the "works" of a Levite Priest according to the law "ADDED" 430 years later. He was cleansed by the Grace of God BECAUSE Abraham believed in Him enough to follow His instructions.

19 Wherefore then serveth the law?

What Law are we talking about in this whole chapter? Not the universal Laws of God like Sabbaths and don't kill, and love your neighbor created from the foundation of the planet. This is speaking to the Levitical Priesthood that was "ADDED" because of transgressions of God's universal Laws.

It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

You have been deceived into believing there is no difference between "Thou shall love the Lord thy God" and the "ADDED" Levitical Priesthood "works of the Law" for remission of sins.

Why is this?

Well from someone who isn't influenced by Mainstream preaching (as much as is possible in this country) It is plain as can be.

Pail explains in your own Book.

Rom. 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

I hear all the time how Jesus, the God of the Old Testament, is mean and unjust. How He created laws no one can obey then kills those who don't obey them. They reject His Holy Days and create their own High Days and "Feasts unto the Lord".

They create their own laws and Sabbaths and live in rejection to God's.

They aren't satisfied with God's Instruction, so like the Pharisees they create their own in direct rebellion to God.


22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

They create images of some handsome long haired men's hair shampoo model, with perfect profile and manicured hands, to represent their version of God. They strip it naked and plaster this image of a naked tortured man all over the world and call it Jesus.

If I were beaten and stripped naked and left to die, and people who claimed to be my friends took a picture of me in my most humiliating, hurt and moment of anguish, and plastered it on the internet, I wouldn't like it and neither would any of you. Yet this is what the "Friends" of Jesus do thousands of times every day.

As Paul tells us, Rom. 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

Abraham didn't do any of these things, he submitted himself to God's Righteousness. Neither did Peter or Paul or any other example of a true believer in the Bible.

And as you clearly exhibit, anyone who would "have the Faith of Abraham" is called a legalist, or a Judaizer by Mainstream Christians of today.

So according to you Abraham was a legalist, as was Jesus. And we are told to "Walk even as Jesus walked". Peter was a legalist.

Acts 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

So we have those who believe in God's Instruction enough to follow them that you call legalists. Zacharias was a legalists and God gave him the Holy Spirit as Peter said. We have all the examples of Faith in Hebrews 11, and the one thing they all have in common is they were "legalists" like Abraham and Jesus.

But what of the Mainstream preachers of Christ's time? Did the Pharisees strive to walk in God's Commandments? EG, GP, many others preach that they do. But Paul and Jesus clearly taught that they did not honor God with obedience, they created their own doctrines and traditions. See scriptures above.

So the Pharisees were not legalists. They rejected God's Commandments and instruction and created their own as it is written.

So what about the Mainstream Christian preachers of today? Do they strive to walk in God's Commandments?

No, as you yourself openly admit,

"That’s why I came to the conclusion that legalistics minds think that as long as they TRY to keep the law that GOD will have more respect for them than those who did not work because at least they tried."
What a fascinating statement. So if I try to follow God's instruction I will be considered the same as those who reject God's instruction.

So by your definition of "legalists" Abraham, Caleb, Moses, Jesus, Stephen, Paul, Zacharias, and me and Hiz and Beta, and LGF, LM1, and others I'm sure, are legalists and pretty much rejected by Mainstream Christianity.

But you and the Pharisees are not "legalists". You and the Pharisees created an image of God after the likeness of man. You and the Pharisees created your own Sabbaths and High Days. You and the Pharisees refused to submit yourself unto the Righteousness of God, rather, created your own righteousness.


I know you mean well and don't see this as true. That is because your foolish mind has been darkened. But you could accept these truths and let God's Laws be the mirror it was designed to be. You could accept the warning of Jesus and humble yourself to His Word, and not the Pope or Jimmy Swaggart, or Benny Hinn or whoever you listen to now, they are all the same.

Your first reaction is going to be anger which you have already felt by now. Then you will want to lash out.

Acts 5:54 When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth.

57 Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord.


It was the same for me 20 years ago. But I implore you to rule over your fleshy desire to defend Mainstream teaching and take a good long study into what I am saying before you respond.

I'm not looking to offend or fight or cause trouble, only to help my brethren who have been tricked by the perfect deceiver.

My earnest desire is that He will allow you to see the truth in this post.
 
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Listen.. you and I have conversed many times over... we have agreed to not talk.. yet here we are.. if you need to ignore me then I can not say otherwise.. but Have I said you don’t Keep the Commands? I read what you say.. and not talking from false knowledge..

There is only one application of the Law.. and that is Faith.. Faith that worketh by Love.. The Spirit given is to allow us to Love and apply our Faith... which is to live by Faith made alive by Christ..

Now if we are winding each other up rather than learning and reasoning.. edifying..then shall we agree to pass over? Shall I retreat from your thread?
No, You Are not teaching what Christ said,. Your teaching what you Think Christ said. Just like your brothers who go around saying they preach christ and anyone who disagrees with them are not following Christ.

Christ did not say after you come to me, the way to spiritual maturity is to post my commands on your wall or let me post them on your heart, and make sure you keep them, follow them every day, Keep focus on them. And you will do well.

he said to imitate me, I have loved you. Therefore you go and out of your love for my father and me, and based on the love we have given you, and our grace and mercy, Serve others. Love others.. DO not serve self. Do not Take for self. Do not worry about self. Let me take care of you. And in doing this you will fulfill the law. THIS is faith working in love,

Faith working in love, is not following the law. It is out of faith in God. Working to love other people. putting their needs above your own. If you do this, You do not need any law. Because you will automatically by practice, never break the law.

again, the law is NOT FOR THE RIGHTIOUS. But for the EVIL and the SINNER.

Are you evil and the sinner? If you are. Then you are in serious trouble. You better find out what you need to do.

 
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I’m sharing what Christ teaches... what I’m taught by the Holy Spirit I share freely.. Grace and Truth.

The Law of GOD.. the Royal Law... the Law of Faith.. Perfect Law of Liberty... but never have I proposed the works of the law... or compel for any to be circumcised...

No I share the New wine that my bottle received by GOD’s Grace as do so, so many ...

i subscibe to no theology.. you can not place me in a denomination or cult..

No you are not. You are sharing what’s you THINK Christ teaches

You can post verses. But unless you post them in context, they are meaningless. I can post verses and make the Bible say anything I want it to. Posting verses does not support your cause.

Your may be teaching theology, But it is not Gods theology/ Your placing people under law. And rejecting grace.
 
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Here Eg, I'll try and explain it this way. "Love is BLIND!" When one goes around saying "The Law" is of none effect? And, "Love covers a multitude of sin?" People go around walking around in some "love coma", thinking, and believing, teaching and preaching, that LOVE, covers EVERY sin! The Bible doesn't say that!

There are those of us, that "target" the "blindness" brought through blind love, which this "love (which indeed does) covers a multitude of sin", DOESN'T cover. Which has infiltrated Jesus' and every other Disciple's, and Apostles, doctrines and teachings, well? Since Jesus' Ascension. THIS is what the book of Jude is addressing.
In other words, EG? Love WITHOUT Discipline (of the law)? IS BLIND!
This is what the Lord of the Harvest DOES! If one is willing! He will "help one over the hump", of the first resurrection. Not saying this doesn't happen, after Jesus' return to Earth. Because it does! I'm saying, this also happens right now! During this current earth/heaven age. Or, this current life in these flesh bodies.

Lol. So jesus is a liar? I am just asking, Because Jesus clearly stated the 2 commands of love if obeyed will fulfill the law. It is the power which overcomes sin, It is taking up our cross and walking daily.

Love is blind, It does not seek revenge, it does not seek to serve self. it does not seek to hurt people or take advantage of people. Love serves. Love sacrifices. Love does not sin, It can not sin, Because it sacrifices self for the needs of others.

Jesus went out of his way to serve others. He put his needs on the back burner sacrificing all things, including in the end his life. He trusted in God to take care of his needs. And because of this, he had no temptation to ever break any law because he never once thought of self. But continued to think of others/. He did not come to judge them, take from them, Be served by them,. he came to SERVE THEM (and us) and we are told to be imitators of him. Well thats how you do it.

The law can not help you do any of those things. Period.
 
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Here Eg, I'll try and explain it this way. "Love is BLIND!" When one goes around saying "The Law" is of none effect? And, "Love covers a multitude of sin?" People go around walking around in some "love coma", thinking, and believing, teaching and preaching, that LOVE, covers EVERY sin! The Bible doesn't say that!

There are those of us, that "target" the "blindness" brought through blind love, which this "love (which indeed does) covers a multitude of sin", DOESN'T cover. Which has infiltrated Jesus' and every other Disciple's, and Apostles, doctrines and teachings, well? Since Jesus' Ascension. THIS is what the book of Jude is addressing.
In other words, EG? Love WITHOUT Discipline (of the law)? IS BLIND!
This is what the Lord of the Harvest DOES! If one is willing! He will "help one over the hump", of the first resurrection. Not saying this doesn't happen, after Jesus' return to Earth. Because it does! I'm saying, this also happens right now! During this current earth/heaven age. Or, this current life in these flesh bodies.
I wonder if the issue is a false understanding of what true love is. And this is the cause of what your saying.
 

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Because your teaching law not grace. Period
You can't have one without the other EG.

Repentance + Works worthy of repentance

Faith+ works to show who we have faith in.

Grace+ obedience with the help of the "Helper".

The Pharisees didn't have obedience, therefore they didn't receive Grace.

Abraham had obedience, therefore he received Grace.

You preach that the Pharisees were trying to obey God to earn their salvation, the Bible teaches the Pharisees were obeying their own traditions and doctrines and rejecting God's instruction. Had they exhibited the Faith of Abraham, they would have received the promises given to Abraham, (Grace)

Grace comes first, but without True Repentance we will not receive the Grace that is free given. Without repentance we all shall likewise perish.
 

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No, You Are not teaching what Christ said,. Your teaching what you Think Christ said. Just like your brothers who go around saying they preach christ and anyone who disagrees with them are not following Christ.

Christ did not say after you come to me, the way to spiritual maturity is to post my commands on your wall or let me post them on your heart, and make sure you keep them, follow them every day, Keep focus on them. And you will do well.

he said to imitate me, I have loved you. Therefore you go and out of your love for my father and me, and based on the love we have given you, and our grace and mercy, Serve others. Love others.. DO not serve self. Do not Take for self. Do not worry about self. Let me take care of you. And in doing this you will fulfill the law. THIS is faith working in love,

Faith working in love, is not following the law. It is out of faith in God. Working to love other people. putting their needs above your own. If you do this, You do not need any law. Because you will automatically by practice, never break the law.

again, the law is NOT FOR THE RIGHTIOUS. But for the EVIL and the SINNER.

Are you evil and the sinner? If you are. Then you are in serious trouble. You better find out what you need to do.


Well you have exalted yourself much over many.. you add little pieces as if I have said them as Gospel.. I guess to amplify your feelings toward me.. I’m sharing what the Holy Spirit Teaches.. for without I was Blind and hear not.. but GOD be thanked it is no longer so.. we each are to walk the path of Righteousness following the Lord and I will continue to do just that without strife with someone who declares Christ as their Saviour....You pick and choose in part.. of what He said to further your Beliefs as much as you imply I do... so I bid you farewell and may I see you at the end of the race..
 

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Lol. So jesus is a liar? I am just asking, Because Jesus clearly stated the 2 commands of love if obeyed will fulfill the law. It is the power which overcomes sin, It is taking up our cross and walking daily.

Love is blind, It does not seek revenge, it does not seek to serve self. it does not seek to hurt people or take advantage of people. Love serves. Love sacrifices. Love does not sin, It can not sin, Because it sacrifices self for the needs of others.

Jesus went out of his way to serve others. He put his needs on the back burner sacrificing all things, including in the end his life. He trusted in God to take care of his needs. And because of this, he had no temptation to ever break any law because he never once thought of self. But continued to think of others/. He did not come to judge them, take from them, Be served by them,. he came to SERVE THEM (and us) and we are told to be imitators of him. Well thats how you do it.

The law can not help you do any of those things. Period.
Jesus made whips and whipped those who would corrupt His Fathers Holy Days. He called those who created images of God after the likeness of man liars and hypocrites. He called those who placed their own man made doctrines, traditions and "Feasts unto the Lord" over the Commandments of God servants of satan.

You are preaching a jesus that is not from the Bible. You have no clue what the "Love of God" is because you reject the scriptures that define it.

1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

If God writes His Laws on our heart, then we will walk in His Laws. If some other spirit writes its laws on our heart, then we will walk in those laws.

It is the other spirit that convinces men to create images of God after the likeness of man, thus rebelling against the true God. It is the other spirit that write on man's mind to reject God's Feasts and create their own. It is the other spirit that writes on man's mind to reject God's Sabbath and create their own.

It was in Paul's time and it is today.

"By their "works" we shall know them." EG, if a church transgresses the Commandments of God by their own doctrines and traditions, it is not God's Church. I write this to help you, not to condemn you.

How can you claim the blood of Jesus for yourself and treat His Father with so much contempt? How can you read the Bible and still preach that the Mainstream preachers of Christ's time were striving to obey God?

There is a reason you can do these things and not be ashamed EG. It is a spiritual reason. As Peter said,

Acts 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

Rom. 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

We are to "Walk even as He walked". Yet you condemn anyone who would strive to do just that by calling them "Legalists" and "Judiazers".

If you know this and still do it, that is one thing. If you are just tricked like so many, then you can still repent and bring "works" worthy of repentance.

Jesus had this conversation with the Mainstream preachers of His time.

John 9:40 And some of the Pharisees(Mainstream Preachers) which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also?
41 Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.


He that has an ear, let them hear.