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Mat 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
Mat 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Co 15:33 Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners.
1Co 15:34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.
Act 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
Act 10:35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and WORKETH righteousness, is accepted with him.
1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
Righteousness is an action,not righteousness is imputed unto you,but you must conduct yourself in a Christlike manner to have righteousness.
Everything is an action that has to do with us being right with God,but some people like to take that away.
Mat 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Co 15:33 Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners.
1Co 15:34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.
Act 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
Act 10:35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and WORKETH righteousness, is accepted with him.
1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
Righteousness is an action,not righteousness is imputed unto you,but you must conduct yourself in a Christlike manner to have righteousness.
Everything is an action that has to do with us being right with God,but some people like to take that away.
These are all Paul's writings;
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Corinthians 7:19, "For neither circumcision counts for anything nor uncircumcision, but keeping the commandments of Yah?"[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 6:1-2, "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?"[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 7:7, Shall we therefore say that the Law is sin? No! By no means! But to the contrary, I did not know sin; transgression of the Law, except through the Law, for I did not know lust, unless the Law had said: Do not covet."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 7:12, "Therefore the Law is holy, and the commandments are holy, and just, and righteous."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Corinthians 7:19, "For neither circumcision counts for anything nor uncircumcision, but keeping the commandments of Yah?"[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 6:1-2, "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?"[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 7:7, Shall we therefore say that the Law is sin? No! By no means! But to the contrary, I did not know sin; transgression of the Law, except through the Law, for I did not know lust, unless the Law had said: Do not covet."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 7:12, "Therefore the Law is holy, and the commandments are holy, and just, and righteous."[/FONT]
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John 2:13 And the Jews' passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem,
14 And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting:
15 And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;
16 And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise.
So I am to ignore the reference to Passover, the very reason Jesus was there in the first place. I am to ignore that these people were selling their wares for years and Jesus never said a thing to them until this day.
Am I to ignore the Biblical fact that the only time Jesus got physically angry with folks is when they sold their wares on God's Holy Day?
Am I also supposed to ignore EVERY WORD that Jesus spoke regarding the Mainstream Preachers of His time just to promote you church tradition?
My issue is your preaching EG.
You preach the Passover had nothing to do with why Jesus got physically angry with the mainstream preachers of His time, even though they had been selling their wares for years and Jesus never said a thing to them until that day.
You preach the Pharisees were trying to earn salvation by obeying God. The Bible throughout preaches the exact opposite, that the Pharisees were trying to earn salvation by creating their own doctrines and traditions and rejecting God's Commandments.
Had they repented and brought forth works worthy of repentance as Moses, Jesus and Paul and Peter all taught, it might have been different for them.
Not only did they continue to preach falsehoods about God's Word, even after Jesus showed them in their own Bible where they were preaching these falsehoods, but they worked to silence the one voice who loved them enough to point out their error.
They got so angry with the one voice who told them the truth about themselves that they accused him of sinning, being of the devil, and when they couldn't change His mind, they killed Him.
This is the behavior Paul warned about.
John 2:13 And the Jews' passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem,
14 And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting:
15 And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;
16 And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise.
So I am to ignore the reference to Passover, the very reason Jesus was there in the first place. I am to ignore that these people were selling their wares for years and Jesus never said a thing to them until this day.
Am I to ignore the Biblical fact that the only time Jesus got physically angry with folks is when they sold their wares on God's Holy Day?
Am I also supposed to ignore EVERY WORD that Jesus spoke regarding the Mainstream Preachers of His time just to promote you church tradition?
My issue is your preaching EG.
You preach the Passover had nothing to do with why Jesus got physically angry with the mainstream preachers of His time, even though they had been selling their wares for years and Jesus never said a thing to them until that day.
You preach the Pharisees were trying to earn salvation by obeying God. The Bible throughout preaches the exact opposite, that the Pharisees were trying to earn salvation by creating their own doctrines and traditions and rejecting God's Commandments.
Had they repented and brought forth works worthy of repentance as Moses, Jesus and Paul and Peter all taught, it might have been different for them.
Not only did they continue to preach falsehoods about God's Word, even after Jesus showed them in their own Bible where they were preaching these falsehoods, but they worked to silence the one voice who loved them enough to point out their error.
They got so angry with the one voice who told them the truth about themselves that they accused him of sinning, being of the devil, and when they couldn't change His mind, they killed Him.
This is the behavior Paul warned about.
By all means post your scriptural evidence to support your claim. Above all I want only to know Jesus and His Word.
But if my posts simply expose your religious traditions and doctrines as coming from man and not from God, then although your anger towards me glorifies God, it would be expedient for you to repent, turn to the Jesus of the Bible, and bring works worthy of repentance.
But if my posts simply expose your religious traditions and doctrines as coming from man and not from God, then although your anger towards me glorifies God, it would be expedient for you to repent, turn to the Jesus of the Bible, and bring works worthy of repentance.
AMEN.....grace + law = OIL and WATER <----you can shake the crap out of it and it will never mix.......nor does it have any purpose other than the LAW condemns ALL as guilty and POINTS to the only cure-------->JESUS/FAITH
The truth is......NO MAN on this planet keeps the law.....none of them....they must keep ALL applicable laws down to the least jot or tittle 24/7/365 or they are law breakers and liars if they claim to keep it.......
The truth is......NO MAN on this planet keeps the law.....none of them....they must keep ALL applicable laws down to the least jot or tittle 24/7/365 or they are law breakers and liars if they claim to keep it.......
So then, I get Grace, and once this happens I am free to create images of God in the likeness of some long haired man that suits the imagination of my own mind and God doesn't care any more?
I get Grace, and am FREE to reject whatever Commandments of God that causes me grief like maybe His burdensome Sabbaths which always screws with opening day of deer season or duck season or trout season?
I get grace and I am free to create any "Feasts unto the Lord" even though Jesus, before He became a man, commanded that I not do such things?
I get grace, then I am FREE to create my own righteousness, my own "path" my own High Days and traditions.
Wow EG, it is clear why so "many" people are on the path you walk. What a wonderful easy ride to eternity. I don't need the Law and Prophets, because as you preach "the Law isn't for Christians".
But alas, I am destined to be held by those wicked Commandments of the God of the Bible. I must submit myself unto the righteousness of that horrible God of the Old Testament who created laws no one could follow, then killed thousands because they couldn't follow it.
No EG, I can't follow your god/jesus, it's too late for me. The God of the Bible has already written HIS laws on my heart.
And while I might miss opening day of trout season, and I don't get invited to the Sunday pig roast and Bingo games at the local church, I gladly miss these worldly things for the understanding God, in His Tender mercies, has given me.
I sought only to share this understanding with you in brotherly love, knowing, as Jesus said, that you probably wouldn't accept it.
You once said you could handle disagreement. I thought that was a mature thing to say.
So it seems we will just have to be in disagreement.
I get Grace, and am FREE to reject whatever Commandments of God that causes me grief like maybe His burdensome Sabbaths which always screws with opening day of deer season or duck season or trout season?
I get grace and I am free to create any "Feasts unto the Lord" even though Jesus, before He became a man, commanded that I not do such things?
I get grace, then I am FREE to create my own righteousness, my own "path" my own High Days and traditions.
Wow EG, it is clear why so "many" people are on the path you walk. What a wonderful easy ride to eternity. I don't need the Law and Prophets, because as you preach "the Law isn't for Christians".
But alas, I am destined to be held by those wicked Commandments of the God of the Bible. I must submit myself unto the righteousness of that horrible God of the Old Testament who created laws no one could follow, then killed thousands because they couldn't follow it.
No EG, I can't follow your god/jesus, it's too late for me. The God of the Bible has already written HIS laws on my heart.
And while I might miss opening day of trout season, and I don't get invited to the Sunday pig roast and Bingo games at the local church, I gladly miss these worldly things for the understanding God, in His Tender mercies, has given me.
I sought only to share this understanding with you in brotherly love, knowing, as Jesus said, that you probably wouldn't accept it.
You once said you could handle disagreement. I thought that was a mature thing to say.
So it seems we will just have to be in disagreement.
The above statements are idiotic......EG has never implied such foolishness and the fact that you stated such....proves that you cannot logically dispute the truth......just like all workers for....all you can do is claim that those who believe in salvation by grace dia faith must live in sin and do as we please because we are eternally secure in Christ.....
Decon,
A person either believes it is a sin to create images of God after the likeness of man or they don't.
A person either believes it is a sin to reject God's Instructions and create their own, or he don't.
A man either believes he is free to create religious doctrines and traditions and reject the "walk of Jesus", or he don't.
I believe in Salvation by Grace and have always said such. But I can't ignore the Biblical fact that not everyone will be saved by this Grace.
I don't believe Grace gives you or I the freedom to do the things Mainstream Christianity does mentioned in the post that angered you so.
I see you insult, call names, accuse, and be just down right ugly to many on this forum for suggesting we should follow the instructions of God.
But when it comes to creating images of some long haired men's hair shampoo model and plastering pictures of his naked bloody body all over the place and putting Jesus name on it, you are silent.
I see you insult and call people all sorts of names, condemn them from God's love, and just be flat out mean, for suggesting God's Sabbaths are Holy and since Jesus observed them, so should we.
But you NEVER even talk about all the high days man created in the name of Jesus, while rejecting the very Holy Days Jesus created before becoming a man.
I am simply bringing these facts to the LIGHT out of genuine care and brotherly love seeing Jesus warned over and over about this very religion and all those many who would be deceived by it.
I find your reply intellectually dishonest as you somehow have exalted yourself and EG above any correction or even suggestion of correction. You guys are saved, "Eternally secure in Christ" I know, and nothing the Bible says is going to change that.
But don't be angry at me for trying to help a brother who has fallen for a deception Jesus said was coming.
A person either believes it is a sin to create images of God after the likeness of man or they don't.
A person either believes it is a sin to reject God's Instructions and create their own, or he don't.
A man either believes he is free to create religious doctrines and traditions and reject the "walk of Jesus", or he don't.
I believe in Salvation by Grace and have always said such. But I can't ignore the Biblical fact that not everyone will be saved by this Grace.
I don't believe Grace gives you or I the freedom to do the things Mainstream Christianity does mentioned in the post that angered you so.
I see you insult, call names, accuse, and be just down right ugly to many on this forum for suggesting we should follow the instructions of God.
But when it comes to creating images of some long haired men's hair shampoo model and plastering pictures of his naked bloody body all over the place and putting Jesus name on it, you are silent.
I see you insult and call people all sorts of names, condemn them from God's love, and just be flat out mean, for suggesting God's Sabbaths are Holy and since Jesus observed them, so should we.
But you NEVER even talk about all the high days man created in the name of Jesus, while rejecting the very Holy Days Jesus created before becoming a man.
I am simply bringing these facts to the LIGHT out of genuine care and brotherly love seeing Jesus warned over and over about this very religion and all those many who would be deceived by it.
I find your reply intellectually dishonest as you somehow have exalted yourself and EG above any correction or even suggestion of correction. You guys are saved, "Eternally secure in Christ" I know, and nothing the Bible says is going to change that.
But don't be angry at me for trying to help a brother who has fallen for a deception Jesus said was coming.
Everything you said is built on a false premise.....especially the bolded.....I have never said to NOT DO the things that are biblical....MY OPPOSITION has always BEEN the proper perspective of those things that we are to do....I have said numerous times....too many times to remember that we are to have works, fruit, serve....I HAVE also stated truthfully and biblically that the LAW had/has a purpose....that purpose being to CONDEMN and PROVE guilt.....IT POINTS to the CURE which is BY FAITH and FAITH alone.....and show where EG promoted the following....and the bolded below....is biblical...the LAW is for the LAWLESS because it was and is designed to PROVE GUILT and POINT to the cure....the day you KEEP the LAW (every jot and tittle) 24/7/365 your whole life is the day you can say I KEEP THE LAW......until then...YOU fall under the SAME grouping WE ALL FALL UNDER....Romans 3
So then, I get Grace, and once this happens I am free to create images of God in the likeness of some long haired man that suits the imagination of my own mind and God doesn't care any more?
I get Grace, and am FREE to reject whatever Commandments of God that causes me grief like maybe His burdensome Sabbaths which always screws with opening day of deer season or duck season or trout season?
I get grace and I am free to create any "Feasts unto the Lord" even though Jesus, before He became a man, commanded that I not do such things?
I get grace, then I am FREE to create my own righteousness, my own "path" my own High Days and traditions.
Wow EG, it is clear why so "many" people are on the path you walk. What a wonderful easy ride to eternity. I don't need the Law and Prophets, because as you preach "the Law isn't for Christians".
So then, I get Grace, and once this happens I am free to create images of God in the likeness of some long haired man that suits the imagination of my own mind and God doesn't care any more?
I get Grace, and am FREE to reject whatever Commandments of God that causes me grief like maybe His burdensome Sabbaths which always screws with opening day of deer season or duck season or trout season?
I get grace and I am free to create any "Feasts unto the Lord" even though Jesus, before He became a man, commanded that I not do such things?
I get grace, then I am FREE to create my own righteousness, my own "path" my own High Days and traditions.
Wow EG, it is clear why so "many" people are on the path you walk. What a wonderful easy ride to eternity. I don't need the Law and Prophets, because as you preach "the Law isn't for Christians".
saying that Acts 15 is about gentiles not being under the law, and were never under it, is not man-made teaching. it is what Acts 15 is.
notice, I am speaking of the whole chapter, you are focusing on verse, spoken by James to jewish men, telling them they could hear the Moses being read on the Sabbath .
and, in letter they drafted to the gentiles, no mention of Sabbath. but you do not want to talk about that.
notice, I am speaking of the whole chapter, you are focusing on verse, spoken by James to jewish men, telling them they could hear the Moses being read on the Sabbath .
and, in letter they drafted to the gentiles, no mention of Sabbath. but you do not want to talk about that.
E
Or you could look up history. And see what they were actually doing, and what made Jesus so mad. And study the Bible to see Jesus had to be quiet up to that time, in fact he told many not to say a word. Because his TIME HAD NOT YET COME.
Or you can continue in your blindness and twisting Gods word to suit your own fancy.
Or you can continue in your blindness and twisting Gods word to suit your own fancy.
E
Wow. What lies you spread. Is this how you teach your kids, You LIE about others, in order to puff yourself up?
Niether myself or anyone else here has said any of these things you claim
No what is clear is you have no understanding of God, No understanding of what people believe, and no desire to actually find out what is really going on.
Proven by the fact you have no desire to talk about what really gives us power over sin, and cause us to obey they commands you claim we just shove to the side.
It is to late for you. You want to get to God by following commands, yet you refuse to acknowledge the requirment, You have no hope because you can not live up to what you demand others live up to
Instead of wanting to discuss the true power over sin, you just want to shove law down everyone’s throat and demand we follow them, when in reality, the Bible says you can not even follow them yourself (in the way GOD DEMANDS)
Your god is a dead God.. You can have him.
As for me and mine, we will serve the Lord..
Niether myself or anyone else here has said any of these things you claim
No what is clear is you have no understanding of God, No understanding of what people believe, and no desire to actually find out what is really going on.
Proven by the fact you have no desire to talk about what really gives us power over sin, and cause us to obey they commands you claim we just shove to the side.
It is to late for you. You want to get to God by following commands, yet you refuse to acknowledge the requirment, You have no hope because you can not live up to what you demand others live up to
Instead of wanting to discuss the true power over sin, you just want to shove law down everyone’s throat and demand we follow them, when in reality, the Bible says you can not even follow them yourself (in the way GOD DEMANDS)
Your god is a dead God.. You can have him.
As for me and mine, we will serve the Lord..