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post 32 I liked it and will re post to show that Jaumej is saying that Paul teaches us to learn the Gospel.. it is how folks interpret Paul that seems to pose problems for themselves.. yet it was already foretold by Peter that would be the case.. Before any of us took our first breath it was written..
look, that may have been a bad choice of phrasing that first sentence, if it was, then Jamie should be honest enough to re-phrase it. it is bad to say " it does not matter what Paul had to say.. implying that Paul has no authority, or he contradicts Jesus, both of which are wrong.
and, still no response from you on Exodus 35 v.3 . or about the commands of God that John lays out in his 1st letter, chapter 3.
and, still no response from you on Exodus 35 v.3 . or about the commands of God that John lays out in his 1st letter, chapter 3.
No one can keep the ten commandments,the unrighteous will be judged by the ten commandments and will come short of the glory of GOD,those who are In CHRIST establish the law because all the law and the prophets are summed up In one word,love and we love because GOD first loved us.
JESUS Is the vine and those IN CHRIST are the branches receiving sustenance from the vine and displaying spiritual fruit establishing the law.
JESUS Is the vine and those IN CHRIST are the branches receiving sustenance from the vine and displaying spiritual fruit establishing the law.
Really? No one can Love GOD or their neighbour? I agree that before conversion the ole flesh will lead you to sin.. but the Spirit.. it allows us to Love because we are Loved First and through believing we recieve the Spirit.. yes unto good works ordained by GOD.
To be in Christ is to believe and Christ Himself teaches us to Keep the Commandments.. So you are in unbelief.. but you will continue believing you have a free pass rather than a New Spirit that can keep the law through Faith.. and Faith is made perfect by works.. what works? Go read and Believe and may you be set free... For I believe the Lord and will do do above all of your doubts..
So we are under Grace set free.. what will you choose to do in your Liberty in Christ.. hear and do or hear and doubt.,
There was a time, after my "rebirth", where I just hated Paul, and his teachings!
Then? As I "grew/matured", finally, coming to the conclusion? "Am I a disciple of Paul's? Or, a disciple of Christ's?"And, you'll see a lot of "churches of stone" laying claim to be "followers" of Christ, and, they are! But, only to the point of baptism! After that? Their doctrines, and dogma, are of the "Paulene Epistles!" Spiritual warfare, to them, is adding another addition to the church building, or going on "mission trips". Supplying resources to those already established, or, even sponsoring a missionary, or even starting another church of stone somewhere.
The problem I had with this, is a "money" thing. And, the heads that would look away, and, the nods and winks, that came, when patronizing people "of the world", with "resources" that this, or any particular assemblage of believers, catered to, and, the seemingly never ending "sermon series'" of tithing, and stewardship (begging for money). And, how, because of this "catering" to people with resources, actual spiritual warfare, got dropped way down, on the list of priorities. Then, got, or became fused, with the Great Commission, as being sufficient enough! Successfully "encasing" God in a box!
Then?, I got really TICKED OFF, at, how danged gullible man(kind), had become in their allowing this to happen! Then, I became cognizant of what the term apostasy meant, and how, dogma, and doctrines erode, to becoming "traditions of man."
It is now, that I have cause to wonder, about "those who give suck", and how much, if at all, have been "born from above?" And, the "oppression", one endures, when one goes "seeking for more!"
Hence, the "body of Christ", I reckon.
Then? As I "grew/matured", finally, coming to the conclusion? "Am I a disciple of Paul's? Or, a disciple of Christ's?"And, you'll see a lot of "churches of stone" laying claim to be "followers" of Christ, and, they are! But, only to the point of baptism! After that? Their doctrines, and dogma, are of the "Paulene Epistles!" Spiritual warfare, to them, is adding another addition to the church building, or going on "mission trips". Supplying resources to those already established, or, even sponsoring a missionary, or even starting another church of stone somewhere.
The problem I had with this, is a "money" thing. And, the heads that would look away, and, the nods and winks, that came, when patronizing people "of the world", with "resources" that this, or any particular assemblage of believers, catered to, and, the seemingly never ending "sermon series'" of tithing, and stewardship (begging for money). And, how, because of this "catering" to people with resources, actual spiritual warfare, got dropped way down, on the list of priorities. Then, got, or became fused, with the Great Commission, as being sufficient enough! Successfully "encasing" God in a box!
Then?, I got really TICKED OFF, at, how danged gullible man(kind), had become in their allowing this to happen! Then, I became cognizant of what the term apostasy meant, and how, dogma, and doctrines erode, to becoming "traditions of man."
It is now, that I have cause to wonder, about "those who give suck", and how much, if at all, have been "born from above?" And, the "oppression", one endures, when one goes "seeking for more!"
Hence, the "body of Christ", I reckon.
Romans 3
21But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22Even the righteousness of God which isby faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 23For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 24Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
27Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. 28Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. 29Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also: 30Seeing it isone God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
31Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
The Law of Faith.. <<<<what law does the Messiah teach?
The law of works... without the deeds of the law...
Go to Romans 3:1... proceed from there...
Is Paul saying Christians are not to Keep the Commandments of GOD? Certainly not.. He is teaching the New Covenant where the Just shall live by Faith... where GOD writes His Law inward of the believer..
He is teaching you that the Old Covenant came to pass and did what it was given for.. so that the Promise to Abraham could come to all that believe.. not just the Jew who were part of the Old Covenant.. That condemned us all.. yet through Christ we can all be Saved and grafted into the True Vine.. where we are nourished and grow as we believe...
The Christian should be Keeping and Teaching the Commandments because that is what Christ teaches us..
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There you go again.
Where am I saying paul or Jesus or anyone is saying it is ok to not keep the commandments.
This gets old. How can we think we can even start to discuss anything if we are not even on the same page.
Once again, My op is not bout how to be disobedient, or if it is ok or not.
it is how we have the power to obedient. Do you disagree with me or not. And if you do. What part do you disagree with.
This nonsens of disobedience is not in context or in the discussion,. Any further responses of anything to do with disobedience will from hence forth be ignored.
Stick on topic. Or do not expect to be responded to.