So, you are therefore an expert on mental illness and how spirituality relates to mental illness, because you are mentally ill?
Not sure how you gathered that from me not really sticking up for mental illness, over God's ability to heal us. I am not anti-medicine, I am just anti medicine/psychiatry-is-the-only-cure. I understand that it must be hard, working with people who have mental health issues, on a daily basis. My sister was quite spiritually minded, went into helping mentally ill people, and now she is suffering from problems herself. I doubt I could do your job either, and I'm sure you have quite a back bone to deal with it, although this can also come out as arrogance too.
Just confused about what the last line means. I have never smoked an always been against it, because I am allergic to it. When I used to play in bars, before I was saved, I would lose my voice within an hour or so of starting our first set, on the first night. Then, I would play flute and sax, and percussion. Just horrible stuff! So glad I rarely see people smoking anymore.
So, why is mental illness different than physical illness? Or do you believe that demons cause physical illness, too?
Yes I think demons can also cause physical illness. But what you are trying to make out is that I think all mental illness or physical illness is caused by demons. lol
Mental illness is not about personality disorders, or behaviour traits. It is about the neurotransmitters in the brain not working correctly.
Often things are found to work, but exactly WHY they work is less known.
There was a drug called Miraplex, which was very effective in treating Parkinson's disease, which occurs in the lower brain stem. However, a lot of people on this drug suddenly got symptoms of bipolar disorder. Excessive spending, hypersexuality, mood swings etc. I saw a show on this, and one woman lost her whole family. A man starting gambling and using porn, after 40 years of marriage. The wife stayed, and tried to help him. In the end, both these people had to go off the Miraplex for one reason or another, and suddenly, the bipolar symptoms were gone. Further study showed that Miraplex in some people went from the lower brain stem, to the upper brain stem, the place where bipolar disorder originates. That was a chemically induced bipolar disorder. But real bipolar disorder is also chemically induced, but it happens because something is wrong with the brain.
So are you saying drugs can in no way, weaken someone, or affect them spiritually? I'm trying to be open minded here not absolute. I assume you are a Christian and also believe in the invisible, as well as the physical world?
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So, are you saying these people who took Miraplex, who were perfectly normal, before and after the drug, were demon possessed while on the drug? Or people who have real bipolar disorder, which affects the upper brain stem are demon possessed in that part of their brain? How absurd!!
Does any drug weaken a person in any way, and therefore spiritually? Are people who are drunk and then do something evil, just do it because of chemicals, and absolutely could never be because their body was vulnerable spiritually? You seem to deny everything spiritual/invisible. I get that, you have a realist mindset. I don't deny mental health, I just don't think it is 'everything we can possibly know'
And no, pharmaceuticals do not have immunity. They have to present every single adverse reaction when they are seeking approval. And in some cases, the agencies in the different countries do not approve the drug. I know with Xeljanz, an RA biologic, 3 people died in the clinical trials. The USA and Canada still approved the drug, but Europe did not. I did try the drug, I am that desperate, but it did not work for me at all. Fortunately, no side effects.
In fact, thinking the pharmaceutical companies are in collusion to get their drugs approved, and side step safely measures is called paranoia. That is a part of mental illness, often found with schizophrenics. So be careful what you say!
That is a bit of a sideswipe, nice... Do you usually use mental illness as a way to try and frame people you don't agree with or don't like? For someone who really believes in mental illness and helps people with it, making such quick symptomatic diagnosis, says something about you.
In the bipolar group I run, there is a woman who is a very strong Christian. She was fine until she had her daughter, and on the labour table, she started having visual hallucinations. She was not diagnosed, and ran quite amok without meds. Her hormones were the cause of her illness, not demons.
How do you know? Because, I don't know, and neither do you.
Most of the people in my group have tried to go off meds. Some have even had healing sessions and been prayed for. And went off meds, and then ended up back in the hospital after either attempting suicide or becoming manic. These are not people who have simple life depression. They are very ill in their brains with a brain disease. They have learned to take their meds, even though, yes, sometimes the side effects are terrible. The same applies to schizophrenia and other Axis I disorders. You might want to look up the difference between Axis I disorders, which are organic brain issues, and Axis II, which are basically poor responses to living.
Another Christian woman in my group turned to alcohol to self medicate her illness away. It didn't work. She stays on her meds, and does well. I pray for her a lot, God has laid her on my heart.
One thing I will say about the 34 members in my group, is that they are honest, and I can trust them. Some are atheists, another Christian woman has taken it upon herself to witness to them. I post my testimony of coming to Christ, and always share the Bible and what God is doing in my life. But better to come from those who suffer from the illness. I love and care for those people. So strange the way God led me to them! But, a real ministry. Unlike those who want to cast demons out of the mentally ill, I have learned about the disease, and yes, I do use Christian counseling. Sometimes, I do feel like the pastor of the group. And that is good! It is good, because I do not judge them, or think stupid things like they are demon possessed!
And they are all willing to share and get help from me, on matters pertaining to living. And I let the medical doctors deal with the medical aspects of their lives.
You know, medical doctors who spend 9 or 10 years learning about the body and training to help people?
I don't discount the medical profession, I just don't think it is everything. Have you asked them how Jesus healed the sick, do they have an answer for that? I doubt it. You probably wouldn't dare start talking about such a thing. Well, maybe the placebo effect they would probably say.
So much ignorance, so little time!
And ignorance cries ignorance.
