Ever wonder what "chewing the cud" represents in spiritual terms? :)

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KelbyofGod

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Please forgive the length of scripture posted. it may be more than needed for this particular posting but it won't hurt us to read a little extra. :)

Lev 11:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses and to Aaron, saying unto them,
Lev 11:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, These are the beasts which ye shall eat among all the beasts that are on the earth.
Lev 11:3 Whatsoever parteth the hoof, and is clovenfooted, and cheweth the cud, among the beasts, that shall ye eat.
Lev 11:4 Nevertheless these shall ye not eat of them that chew the cud, or of them that divide the hoof: as the camel, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.
Lev 11:5 And the coney, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.
Lev 11:6 And the hare, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.
Lev 11:7 And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you.
Lev 11:8 Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcase shall ye not touch; they are unclean to you.

There are two requirements mentioned, BOTH of which must be met, for an animal to be considered clean. This post is only in reference to the one "chewing the cud"...partly because it is less controversial and also (In my opinion) easier to be understood.

What "chewing the cud" represents in spiritual terms is something along the lines of "Don't just hear it and think you've got enough out of it. You'd better pull it back up and seek for more understanding".

I propose that the practice of seeking greater understanding from something ALREADY heard... is what changes someone from being part of "the multitudes" into being part of "the disciples"...and qualifies us for greater revelation.

Case in point:
Mat 13:1 The same day went Jesus out of the house, and sat by the sea side.
Mat 13:2 And great multitudes were gathered together unto him, so that he went into a ship, and sat; and the whole multitude stood on the shore.
Mat 13:3 And he spake many things unto them in parables, saying, Behold, a sower went forth to sow;
...

Mat 13:9 Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
Mat 13:10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
Mat 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

Perhaps you thought (like I did) that these disciples were the 12 disciples... but Mark tells a more clarifying version



Mar 4:1 And he began again to teach by the sea side: and there was gathered unto him a great multitude, so that he entered into a ship, and sat in the sea; and the whole multitude was by the sea on the land.
Mar 4:2 And he taught them many things by parables, and said unto them in his doctrine,
Mar 4:3 Hearken; Behold, there went out a sower to sow:
...
Mar 4:9 And he said unto them, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
Mar 4:10 And when he was alone, they that were about him with the twelve asked of him the parable.
Mar 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:
Mar 4:12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.

I'd actually asked God "How did he know that the people standing in front of him were those to whom it was 'given to know' ?". You might think "Jesus just knew everything" and perhaps you're right. But if what I'm saying is correct, then the simple act of them hearing then seeking out Jesus for deeper understanding of the same topic is what let Jesus know they could handle more...and is what caused them to be referred to as disciples by the bible. Keep this in mind as you read the gospels and see if it holds true. :)
 

KelbyofGod

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Bonus info! :)


Only as I was writing the initial post did I notice (and decided to include) the part where Jesus said "he that hath EARS to hear, let him hear." Notice he said ears to hear...plural...not just one ear to hear. If one ear represents the willingness to listen...and the other ear represents the willingness to DO...then the common saying of "In one ear and out the other" takes on new meaning in light of the scriptures. particularly when you consider what James said:

Jas 1:23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
Jas 1:24 For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.
Jas 1:25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

The hearer(without doing) forgets and falls short of the blessing. The hearer who also Does is allowed to both retain and be blessed. Hence "in one ear (the listening part)...and out the other(the doing part)"

NOTE: To functionalize James 1:24...While looking at yourself in the mirror, consider how easy it is to count freckles, zits, etc. Then compare that with the impossibility of a similarly simple task that your friend asks you to do immediately after turning away from the mirror (like counting your eyebrows or ridges in your upper lip). That's how impossible it is to retain truth when we hear but don't do.

Thanks,
Kelby

 

trofimus

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I know that the epistle of Barnabas is about spiritual meanings of the OT laws.

I do not remember if "chewing the cud" is mentioned there, but if you are interested, the epistle of Barnabas is worth to look at.
 

trofimus

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Barnabas 10:11
Again Moses saith; Ye shall everything that divideth the hoof and
cheweth the cud. What meaneth he? He that receiveth the food
knoweth Him that giveth him the food, and being refreshed appeareth
to rejoice in him. Well said he, having regard to the commandment.
What then meaneth he? Cleave unto those that fear the Lord, with
those who meditate in their heart on the distinction of the word
which they have received, with those who tell of the ordinances of
the Lord and keep them, with those who know that meditation is a work
of gladness and who chew the cud of the word of the Lord. But why
that which divideth the hoof? Because the righteous man both walketh
in this world, and at the same time looketh for the holy world to
come. Ye see how wise a lawgiver Moses was.
 

KelbyofGod

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I know that the epistle of Barnabas is about spiritual meanings of the OT laws.

I do not remember if "chewing the cud" is mentioned there, but if you are interested, the epistle of Barnabas is worth to look at.
I'll admit that I'm significantly skeptical of other epistles/books etc. But I may take a look before jumping to any conclusions.

Thanks.
 

KelbyofGod

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I'm glad I sought the Lord on this topic before reading that stuff by 'Barnabas' because it doesn't line up. I've read a few extra-biblical texts and to me they just sound like wanna-be's. (Honest opinion, not trying to slam anybody).

I actually got the understanding of some of this stuff while seeking God on another topic. I'd asked God "Why did you have the physical appearance of the holy ghost look like a split tongue, when a forked tongue is on a serpent (often used in reference to the devil)?"

First, he made it clear to me that he didn't say a "split" tongue... he said "cloven" because 1) they mean significantly different things and 2) the word "split" isn't even in the bible.

Then he had me look at actual photos of a clover demonstrating the cloven nature of the leaflets vs. the DRAWINGS of clover (man's perception) which often errantly show the leaflets in a conjoined manner.

Then he opened my understanding of the cloven hoof and chewing the cud in the OT.

It doesn't match what that epistle of barnabas is saying so I'll trust God instead of that guy :)

However, thanks again for sharing info and opportunity.

-Kelby
 
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I'm glad I sought the Lord...I've read a few extra-biblical texts and to me they just sound like wanna-be's...I'd asked God "Why did you have the physical appearance of the holy ghost look like a split tongue, when a forked tongue is on a serpent (often used in reference to the devil)?"

First, he made it clear to me that he didn't say a "split" tongue... he said...
So you reject the extra-biblical findings of others, but accept your own extra-biblical findings?
 

MichaelOwen

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My two cents on this would be study the WORD, not the interpretations of man, for each man can perceive it differently than the other. God's word is right and true, and it's dangerous to ADD or TAKE anything away from it. You have to hold firm to what it says to you and your heart.
 

KelbyofGod

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So you reject the extra-biblical findings of others, but accept your own extra-biblical findings?
I said I'll take something God reveals over something someone else says. I wasn't excluding what he said JUST because it is extra-biblical.

I was applying "Prove all things. hold fast that which is good" and "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me" and " the sheep follow him: for they know his voice. And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers. " I'm not ashamed to say I know his voice and am willing to follow him over claims of others... or even over my own ideas.

I encourage you to also seek God until he answers you and lets you know what is truth... He desires that of you. Then you'll be able to discern which, if any, of the things people say are true... as Jesus said in John_7:17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

My suggestion is that discernment is something that should be taught in the church, rather than being told we should blindly follow (or outright reject) any given doctrine.

Thanks,
Kelby
 
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Actually there is a spiritual significance to the passage; Leviticus 11:1-8. I seriously doubt that any portion of Scripture were not profitable for the NT church; 2 Timothy 3:16. The answer ">>>Nothing" is certainly short-sighted and not thought out. :D
 
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Actually there is a spiritual significance to the passage; Leviticus 11:1-8. I seriously doubt that any portion of Scripture were not profitable for the NT church; 2 Timothy 3:16. The answer ">>>Nothing" is certainly short-sighted and not thought out. :D
What is it then? Please tell us.
 
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Barnabas 10:11
Again Moses saith; Ye shall everything that divideth the hoof and
cheweth the cud. What meaneth he? He that receiveth the food
knoweth Him that giveth him the food, and being refreshed appeareth
to rejoice in him. Well said he, having regard to the commandment.
What then meaneth he? Cleave unto those that fear the Lord, with
those who meditate in their heart on the distinction of the word
which they have received, with those who tell of the ordinances of
the Lord and keep them, with those who know that meditation is a work
of gladness and who chew the cud of the word of the Lord. But why
that which divideth the hoof? Because the righteous man both walketh
in this world, and at the same time looketh for the holy world to
come. Ye see how wise a lawgiver Moses was.
Was Barnabas claiming extra-biblical revelation here?
 
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I'm glad I sought the Lord on this topic before reading that stuff by 'Barnabas' because it doesn't line up. I've read a few extra-biblical texts and to me they just sound like wanna-be's. (Honest opinion, not trying to slam anybody).

I actually got the understanding of some of this stuff while seeking God on another topic. I'd asked God "Why did you have the physical appearance of the holy ghost look like a split tongue, when a forked tongue is on a serpent (often used in reference to the devil)?"

First, he made it clear to me that he didn't say a "split" tongue... he said "cloven" because 1) they mean significantly different things and 2) the word "split" isn't even in the bible.

Then he had me look at actual photos of a clover demonstrating the cloven nature of the leaflets vs. the DRAWINGS of clover (man's perception) which often errantly show the leaflets in a conjoined manner.

Then he opened my understanding of the cloven hoof and chewing the cud in the OT.
You've offered nothing applicable, insightful, or even biblical about what God allegedly revealed to you. There is no conclusion. Absolutely no insight has been offered. :confused:

My belief is it's because there is nothing to offer other than a story line that goes nowhere.

It doesn't match what that epistle of barnabas is saying so I'll trust God instead of that guy :)

Kelby
There is absolutely nothing to compare to what Barnabas stated because you've given nothing.

Barnabas' insight was spot on, and he isn't claiming anything extra-biblical.

But you are, and frankly you've offered nothing substantial, but then claim to have a better "revelation." Things just don't add up, yet you're presenting yourself as someone who gets extra-biblical revelation and have, again, offered nothing substantial. It's like clouds without rain.
 
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You've offered nothing applicable, insightful, or even biblical about what God allegedly revealed to you. There is no conclusion. Absolutely no insight has been offered. :confused:

My belief is it's because there is nothing to offer other than a story line that goes nowhere.



There is absolutely nothing to compare to what Barnabas stated because you've given nothing.

Barnabas' insight was spot on, and he isn't claiming anything extra-biblical.

But you are, and frankly you've offered nothing substantial, but then claim to have a better "revelation." Things just don't add up, yet you're presenting yourself as someone who gets extra-biblical revelation and have, again, offered nothing substantial. It's like clouds without rain.
how can a cloud have no rain? haha, that was humorous.
 
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Please forgive the length of scripture posted. it may be more than needed for this particular posting but it won't hurt us to read a little extra. :)

Lev 11:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses and to Aaron, saying unto them,
Lev 11:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, These are the beasts which ye shall eat among all the beasts that are on the earth.
Lev 11:3 Whatsoever parteth the hoof, and is clovenfooted, and cheweth the cud, among the beasts, that shall ye eat.
Lev 11:4 Nevertheless these shall ye not eat of them that chew the cud, or of them that divide the hoof: as the camel, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.
Lev 11:5 And the coney, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.
Lev 11:6 And the hare, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.
Lev 11:7 And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you.
Lev 11:8 Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcase shall ye not touch; they are unclean to you.

There are two requirements mentioned, BOTH of which must be met, for an animal to be considered clean. This post is only in reference to the one "chewing the cud"...partly because it is less controversial and also (In my opinion) easier to be understood.

What "chewing the cud" represents in spiritual terms is something along the lines of "Don't just hear it and think you've got enough out of it. You'd better pull it back up and seek for more understanding".

I propose that the practice of seeking greater understanding from something ALREADY heard... is what changes someone from being part of "the multitudes" into being part of "the disciples"...and qualifies us for greater revelation.

Case in point:
Mat 13:1 The same day went Jesus out of the house, and sat by the sea side.
Mat 13:2 And great multitudes were gathered together unto him, so that he went into a ship, and sat; and the whole multitude stood on the shore.
Mat 13:3 And he spake many things unto them in parables, saying, Behold, a sower went forth to sow;
...

Mat 13:9 Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
Mat 13:10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
Mat 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

Perhaps you thought (like I did) that these disciples were the 12 disciples... but Mark tells a more clarifying version



Mar 4:1 And he began again to teach by the sea side: and there was gathered unto him a great multitude, so that he entered into a ship, and sat in the sea; and the whole multitude was by the sea on the land.
Mar 4:2 And he taught them many things by parables, and said unto them in his doctrine,
Mar 4:3 Hearken; Behold, there went out a sower to sow:
...
Mar 4:9 And he said unto them, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
Mar 4:10 And when he was alone, they that were about him with the twelve asked of him the parable.
Mar 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:
Mar 4:12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.

I'd actually asked God "How did he know that the people standing in front of him were those to whom it was 'given to know' ?". You might think "Jesus just knew everything" and perhaps you're right. But if what I'm saying is correct, then the simple act of them hearing then seeking out Jesus for deeper understanding of the same topic is what let Jesus know they could handle more...and is what caused them to be referred to as disciples by the bible. Keep this in mind as you read the gospels and see if it holds true. :)
This is interesting kelby. :)
I had thought that verse along similar lines...chewing the cud as reading the word, seeming part of the herd, but not with a split hoof= circumcised heart.

Your idea re:those seeking greater understanding fits with the parable of the blind men healed. Only the one who came back received even clearer sight. The other one went out and sought men to tell that he could see...

The parable has more meaning than at first glance because it should be obvious Jesus didn't NEED two tries to get a healing right!
 
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I like John Bunyan's take on it. In fact, a week or so ago our family devotions hit on this and what he said concerning the passage. :)
That told me... nothing.
BTW, the last time I looked in my Bible, the book of Barnabas wasn't there. :rolleyes:
 
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That told me... nothing.
That's a commentary on you, not me.
:D

There was ample information given that a person willing to actually work a little could find out more. Obviously I'm not conversing with such a person at this point.

BTW, the last time I looked in my Bible, the book of Barnabas wasn't there. :rolleyes:


You're mixing me up with someone else. Clue: I never brought Barnabas into the discussion.

It is becoming glaringly apparent why you can't get anything out of the info given you.
:)