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    Anyone who clams to have gone to hell and came back....has lost any and all credibility in my mind............just saying

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    The guy has Calvinism and hyper Calvinism mixed up. I see no reason whatsoever to believe a word from his mouth. He's word doesn't stand up to God's word, Scripture.
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    "Love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul, and all your mind" and " Love your neighbor as you love yourself."


    A dog barks when his master is attacked. I would be a coward if I saw God's truth attacked and yet keep silent. John Calvin

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    Last time I checked there is no coming out of hell.
    It is suspicious how all the hell testimonies are different.

    I have not seen the video but judging by the topic title, I am expecting him to say he went to hell and now knows calvinism is false.

    If I am right in that assumption, then all we have is a guy with no way to refute reformed theology via Scripture and has to resort to bogus claims and personal revelation to gain credibility for his claims.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dcontroversal View Post
    Anyone who clams to have gone to hell and came back....has lost any and all credibility in my mind............just saying
    I believe the same thing about people claiming they have gone to heaven and returned.
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    So....went to hell...came back preaching salvation maintenance, Calvinists go to hell, and says they twist Greek meanings (with zero substantiation, mind you) and says he taught Greek.

    Uh-huh.
    People are offended that God is God.

    Oh, my brethren! bold-hearted men are always called mean-spirited by cowards. - Charles Spurgeon

    I threw out the writings of Moses because he killed that Egyptian guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by preacher4truth View Post
    So....went to hell...came back preaching salvation maintenance, Calvinists go to hell, and says they twist Greek meanings (with zero substantiation, mind you) and says he taught Greek.

    Uh-huh.
    Great! So I was right in my prediction. Glad I did not waste my time watching the video. Feels good! On the spot.
    *pats self on back*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bogadile View Post
    Great! So I was right in my prediction. Glad I did not waste my time watching the video. Feels good! On the spot.
    *pats self on back*
    Sounds like you read the YouTube comments on the video.
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    People are offended that God is God.

    Oh, my brethren! bold-hearted men are always called mean-spirited by cowards. - Charles Spurgeon

    I threw out the writings of Moses because he killed that Egyptian guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by preacher4truth View Post
    Sounds like you read the YouTube comments on the video.
    Not even! I only saw the thumbnail did not even open the youtube!

    He looks angry in the thumbnail
    Last edited by Bogadile; 1 Week Ago at 10:33 PM.
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    The guy taught Greek and he used the word "believeth" anyone that teaches Greek and has a degree in koiné Greek would never use an archaic word like, believeth. This guys apologetic against Calvinism is a trip to hell, please talk about lying, he never quotes one Scripture for his argument against Calvinism is nonsense.

    If he was a Calvinist he would know that they do not believe that someone that is an unrepentant sinner will inherit the earth, which is the place believers will worship the Lord, Revelation 5:9-10

    “And they sang a new song, saying, “Worthy are you to take the scrolland to open its seals, for you were slain, and by your blood you ransomed people for Godfrom every tribe and language and people and nation,10 and you have made them a kingdom and priests to our God,and they shall reign on the earth.

    Calvinism teaches that a believer will live a life of holiness to the Lord, one of repentance, not one of living in unrepentant sin. The guy was not a Calvinist, they teach a life of holiness to the point that some think that P
    resbyterians are legalistic, that is not the testamony of people that believe that living in unrepentant sin is going to get you a ticket to eternal life.

    Here's the worst part is that people think that what this guys is saying is Biblical, when that is the furthist thing from the truth. To begin with hell has not been created yet. I am not big on studying about hell, but from what I understand hell has not been created yet, that is why many that have done a full study on hell, teach that it is not yet created, so this guy and anyone else that says they have seen, been, God showed them, took them, gave them a vision of hell are liars because it does not exsist yet.
    John 6:63, 65 "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life....65 And he said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.”

    I Corinthians 4:7 "For who sees anything different in you? What do you have that you did not receive? If then you received it, why do you boast as if you did not receive it?"

    Born in the Spirit & word, granted by the Father. EE-TEOW




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    I tried to find info on the accredited school he claimed to attend and found nothing. The rest of the videos on his chanel are his revelations, funny most people like this guy don't talk about their revelations until after the event takes place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beastslayer1970 View Post
    I believe the same thing about people claiming they have gone to heaven and returned.
    Paul knew a man....whether in body or out of body he could not tell HAHAH I do agree though ^^
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    Watched the video .. And let me state from the very start i am Not a calvinist, I am very much against calvinism, But i have a problem with this video testamentary ::

    At the 7:15 in the video he starts to talk about the Lake of Fire and how people he knew that went to his church where in the Lake of Fire.. This does not light up with scripture..

    Firstly before the final Judgement only the Beast and the false prophet will be cast into the Lake of Fire.. Scriptures says in Revelation 20:

    Revelation: 20 KJV
    19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. 20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

    But the rest of condemned humanity where not judged until 1000 years later..

    Revelation 20: KJV
    7 "And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, {8} And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. {9} And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. {10} And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. {11} And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. {12} And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. {13} And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. {14} And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. {15} And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."

    So no one is in the Lake of Fire at this time.. So how could this man have seen people currently in the lake of Fire? When this will not be happening until many years into the future..
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    The guy is the video is just another loon.
    M & M's melt in your mouth and not in your hands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Innerfire89 View Post
    I tried to find info on the accredited school he claimed to attend and found nothing. The rest of the videos on his chanel are his revelations, funny most people like this guy don't talk about their revelations until after the event takes place.
    Any lie will serve as fodder, regardless how egregious the lie is, as long as it maligns the Doctrines of Grace, that God elected all whom he willed to save, and takes salvation out of the hands of man, placing it firmly in God's hands. The idol of free will will have none of these truths.
    People are offended that God is God.

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    I threw out the writings of Moses because he killed that Egyptian guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by preacher4truth View Post
    Any lie will serve as fodder, regardless how egregious the lie is, as long as it maligns the Doctrines of Grace, that God elected all whom he willed to save, and takes salvation out of the hands of man, placing it firmly in God's hands. The idol of free will will have none of these truths.
    A lie will travel all the way around the world before the truth can get out of bed and put its shoes on.

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    mheh

    like Jesus said, if someone came back from hell they still would not believe

    garbage

    if the devil cannot get you to say he does not exist, he will flip you the other way and convince you that Christianity consists of fighting the devil

    we could never win that battle, but thanks be to God, it has already been won

    on the other hand, Calvinism is a tool of the devil IMO. it is a religious system and no freedom at all.


    for the record, I do not believe that Calvinists are not saved. they are barking up the wrong tree however. there is nothing in the tree they are shaking and barking at.
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    so he states maybe two or three others have had the experience he had

    indicative of falling for the demonic deception of 'I'm so special. God has chosen me to tell you....fill in the blanks'

    blah
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    Quote Originally Posted by dcontroversal View Post
    Paul knew a man....whether in body or out of body he could not tell HAHAH I do agree though ^^
    Yeah I am with you on 2 Cor 12:1-6

    That said and you know this probably, look at Vs 4-6:

    4 was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which a man is not permitted to speak. 5 On behalf of such a man I will boast; but on my own behalf I will not boast, except in regard to my weaknesses. 6 For if I do wish to boast I will not be foolish, for I will be speaking the truth; but I refrain from this, so that no one will credit me with more than he sees in me or hears from me.

    1) Paul heard things in Paradise[3rd Heaven] humans were not allowed to repeat.
    2) He could boast about this visit but he won't
    3) His boasting would be ok, because what he would boast about is the truth
    4) He will not boast, because it would take away from his primary Gospel message

    This tells us that no man goes to the third heaven[paradise] and can repeat what he hears because it is not for human ears.

    Like I said, I know you probably already know this, but I added this, since you brought it up, for the edification of other readers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 7seasrekeyed View Post
    mheh

    like Jesus said, if someone came back from hell they still would not believe


    garbage

    if the devil cannot get you to say he does not exist, he will flip you the other way and convince you that Christianity consists of fighting the devil

    we could never win that battle, but thanks be to God, it has already been won

    on the other hand, Calvinism is a tool of the devil IMO. it is a religious system and no freedom at all.


    for the record, I do not believe that Calvinists are not saved. they are barking up the wrong tree however. there is nothing in the tree they are shaking and barking at.
    a. Jesus did not say that
    b. Jesus was quoting Abraham
    c. Abraham did not say that
    d. Abraham said though ONE ROSE FROM THE DEAD.....and one did....JESUS and they still will not believe

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