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    God, by the infilling of the Holy Spirit at our rebirth, does indeed give us all the words.

    Do not mock the Holy Spirit, and blieve the gifts given by our SÇavior.

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    Wow...unbelievable. God will fill in the words he types. We're hypocrites if offended and in darkness if we don't agree, and if we don't hear him we don't want to hear from Christ. LOL!!!!!

    The humility is at an apex in the above!

    Then of course the token "God bless...in Jesus christ's <sic> fame <sic>..."

    To top off the asininity? Read the signature of the OP. And the OP actually got "likes" lolzzzzzzzzzzzz
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    Mat 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.


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    I certainly hope you do not believe I think I justify anything by the law! If you do, you have not read anything I have posted. God bless you, and remember, Ephesians.

    Quote Originally Posted by VCO View Post
    Galatians 5:4 (CSBBible)
    4 You who are trying to be justified by the law are alienated from Christ; you have fallen from grace.
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    The very nearest you are to my possting is when I remind all they must obey the law according to the teachings of Jesus Christ and not according to rabbis and Pharisees in general.

    It seems the do-nothing, grace only folks have a tizzy when reminded they must oby the teaching of Jesus C¨hrist on the law, and they certainly do not imitate His Example, at least not in posting here.

    Quote Originally Posted by VCO View Post
    That instant the HAVE TO OBEY THE LAW, debate was about circumcision, but the point is any time you say HAVE TO OBEY THE LAW to be Saved, NO MATTER what LAW you are talking about, you have added to SAVATION IS BY GRACE, and the same Context would be applicable. Those who say true Christians are have to worship on Saturday, have crossed the same line back into bondage to Law.

    Our Obedience is to be an act of willing LOVE for HIM, or it worthless filthy rags.


    Titus 3:5-7 (HCSB)
    5 He saved us— not by works of righteousness that we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of regeneration and renewal by the Holy Spirit.
    6 He poured out this ⌊Spirit⌋ on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior,
    7 so that having been justified by His grace, we may become heirs with the hope of eternal life.

    Okay, I will ignore this thread. But Salvation is NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS, however those who WERE SAVED By Grace through Faith alone, are those who will want to show their LOVE for GOD by striving to walk in obedience.



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    Luke 6:46-9, “But why do you call Me ‘Master, Master,’ and do not do what I say? "“Everyone who is coming to Me, and is hearing My words and is doing them, I shall show you whom he is like: He is like a man building a house, who dug deep and laid a foundation on the rock. And when a flood came, the stream burst against that house, but was unable to shake it, for it was founded on the rock. But the one hearing and not doing, is like a man who built a house on the earth without a foundation, against which the stream burst, and immediately it fell. And the ruin of that house was great.”
    Mt5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

    Rev21:1-2, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."

    Rom3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law."

    Rom3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"


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    You seem to be very confused.....deserved? Who made you thee accuser, judge and jury of anyone? Certainly it isnot Jesus Christ for we who believe will receive the honor of judgment come the Kingdom. I can tell you right now, and in spirit and truth, I do not want harm to come to you, I want you in th eKingdom, but you really should stop changing things around, not only your posts but the posts of others. It is not of love.

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    The op is getting what he deserved based on what he has done the past few days. I did not attack him in this thread. Yet he came after me arms swinging.

    Again, He gets what he deserves. If you people want to justify a sinner as being ok. Its no wonder people are the weary they are.

    You want to ignore me, Please do. The op should have ignored me months ago, but he chose not to and chose to do what he did. Its on him. Whether you like it or not is not my concern.

    (See how you could not show me where my first post attacked the op? Or where I disapproved of the op?)


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    Apparantly your vocabulary is lacking on this. You are not to speak in God's name in that sense. He is not involved with what you or I say when we are arguing, and you certainly are arguing with all.

    It falls under Christ's teahing let your yay be yah and your nay be nay, simple say what is on you mind, do not embellish yur thinking and speaking using the Father'a name, since it is almost certain He is not rooting for your nature in this particular thread and the other two threads I bowed out of for the sake of peace........yet you follow me. Now who is the aggressor here.

    Quote Originally Posted by eternally-gratefull View Post
    PS, who in Gods name is not taking Gods name in vein, It is asking who got the authority from God to do what they did.

    IN HIS name, means in his authority. Or under his approval.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VCO View Post
    That instant the HAVE TO OBEY THE LAW, debate was about circumcision, but the point is any time you say HAVE TO OBEY THE LAW to be Saved, NO MATTER what LAW you are talking about, you have added to SAVATION IS BY GRACE, and the same Context would be applicable. Those who say true Christians are have to worship on Saturday, have crossed the same line back into bondage to Law.

    Our Obedience is to be an act of willing LOVE for HIM, or it worthless filthy rags.


    Titus 3:5-7 (HCSB)
    5 He saved us— not by works of righteousness that we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of regeneration and renewal by the Holy Spirit.
    6 He poured out this ⌊Spirit⌋ on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior,
    7 so that having been justified by His grace, we may become heirs with the hope of eternal life.

    Okay, I will ignore this thread. But Salvation is NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS, however those who WERE SAVED By Grace through Faith alone, are those who will want to show their LOVE for GOD by striving to walk in obedience.




    I agree with the bottom 2 lines....

    My thought is that we Worship in Spirit and Truth.. and can gather as believers freely.

    Though you do know I believe Loving GOD is by Keeping even the least Commandment ...

    You will not find Old wine being shared from Jaumej..

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    VCO.........your input is valuable everywhere you post.

    All of my sharing has been that we can do nothing to save ourselves, salvation is a free gift after we come to Jesus repented of this world.

    Because of the gift of faith, we, in love, joy and simple gratitude will act on that joyous gift. The major part of acting on it is imitating Jesus Christ, hearing Him and doing as He teaches which includes the law according to the Gospel of Jesus..no according to the Pharisees and other hypocrites.

    Jesus has invited all who believe to come to Him to learn and our burden will be far less than that of the hypocrites. The two great laws of love do indeed fulfill all the law,; so, no, go back to the laws of MOses.

    Note all of the laws that are made nought by the coming of Jesus Christ, when you are finished you will find very few of the laws remaining, and those that do remain are certainly acts of love, never of duty, though love is our due after receiving Salvation.

    What is not loving about honoring our parents, doing unto others etc, turning the other hceek, praying for our enemies, leaving a neighbor's land mark in place and not moving it to favor oneself, and so many more that are natural for all who love?

    Do not be fooled by hyper-grace, we are definitely under grace when we love Jesus, but when we love Jesus we do act on His teachying, never on the teaching changed by flesh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eternally-gratefull View Post
    as long as he continues his nonsense, I will confront him,

    people want this stuff to stop. force JJ to fess up to what he is doing.

    My God I only came in here and made a point, I did not attack the op or say a word to him, or address my post to him,



    You are following him around dragging your beef with you.. if you you have an accusation then be wise in your approach because this behaviour is appalling.

    Force JJ to fess up? Are you for real...
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    Quote Originally Posted by eternally-gratefull View Post


    The op is getting what he deserved based on what he has done the past few days. I did not attack him in this thread. Yet he came after me arms swinging.

    Again, He gets what he deserves. If you people want to justify a sinner as being ok. Its no wonder people are the weary they are.

    You want to ignore me, Please do. The op should have ignored me months ago, but he chose not to and chose to do what he did. Its on him. Whether you like it or not is not my concern.

    (See how you could not show me where my first post attacked the op? Or where I disapproved of the op?)


    We should all get what we deserve but our Gracious GOD Loves and forgives us.. yet you are not behaving like one that is eternally grateful of this instead giving a person what they deserve for crossing you.. I won’t put you on ignore but I don’t appreciate your behaviour... you were never like this before.. you were a reasonable member.. sad to see the change in you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JaumeJ View Post
    You seem to be very confused.....deserved? Who made you thee accuser, judge and jury of anyone? Certainly it isnot Jesus Christ for we who believe will receive the honor of judgment come the Kingdom. I can tell you right now, and in spirit and truth, I do not want harm to come to you, I want you in th eKingdom, but you really should stop changing things around, not only your posts but the posts of others. It is not of love.
    Then do everyone a favor and put this to rest.

    You accused me of attacking you in this op.

    Prove it by using my first post.

    You judged me of saying all the things in a few other threads, where I have asked you to prove I ever said those things. Prove what you claim and stop trying to run and hide from it.

    If you do this, Then all will be welll. You will be like most people who have a conversation in CC, and although we disagree, we can have normal conversations.

    Or continue to deny Andy wrongdoing, And continue to be confronted for your sin. As scripture tells us to do.
    Eternally Grateful for the grace God has shown a wretched soul such as myself.

    Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus,

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    Quote Originally Posted by loveme1 View Post
    You are following him around dragging your beef with you.. if you you have an accusation then be wise in your approach because this behaviour is appalling.

    Force JJ to fess up? Are you for real...

    1. Prove I followed him around
    2. SHow in my first post on THIS thread where I attacked him

    He opened a thread with a topic. I posted, non judgmental. And tried to ADD to the conversation.

    He is the one who went off on me.. Why do you continue to stick up for people who are in the wrong? Do you hate me that much??

    Never mind, you do not have to answer, Actions speak louder than words.
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    Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus,

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    Quote Originally Posted by loveme1 View Post
    We should all get what we deserve but our Gracious GOD Loves and forgives us.. yet you are not behaving like one that is eternally grateful of this instead giving a person what they deserve for crossing you.. I won’t put you on ignore but I don’t appreciate your behaviour... you were never like this before.. you were a reasonable member.. sad to see the change in you.

    You do not love someone by enabling them to sin, especially when they go day after day posting about how we have to be free from sin.

    You judge someone by confronting them, And hopin gthey repent, Because until their is repentance, there will be no healing.


    Again, SHow me in my first post in this thread where I attacked the op. Can you? Can anyone?
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    Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus,

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    Do not be silly. Read your own posts........ Now do the gentlemany act of desisting from here leaving us, all in peace.

    Quote Originally Posted by eternally-gratefull View Post
    Then do everyone a favor and put this to rest.

    You accused me of attacking you in this op.

    Prove it by using my first post.

    You judged me of saying all the things in a few other threads, where I have asked you to prove I ever said those things. Prove what you claim and stop trying to run and hide from it.

    If you do this, Then all will be welll. You will be like most people who have a conversation in CC, and although we disagree, we can have normal conversations.

    Or continue to deny Andy wrongdoing, And continue to be confronted for your sin. As scripture tells us to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hizikyah View Post
    Luke 6:46-9, “But why do you call Me ‘Master, Master,’ and do not do what I say? "“Everyone who is coming to Me, and is hearing My words and is doing them, I shall show you whom he is like: He is like a man building a house, who dug deep and laid a foundation on the rock. And when a flood came, the stream burst against that house, but was unable to shake it, for it was founded on the rock. But the one hearing and not doing, is like a man who built a house on the earth without a foundation, against which the stream burst, and immediately it fell. And the ruin of that house was great.”
    Amen, people who have real faith will do these things. Because they have trusted God, and learn to trust him more and more every day, And out of their heart flows rivers of living water which enpowers them to love others.
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    Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus,

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    Do you always convert your dialogues into your holding court?? that is odd.

    Quote Originally Posted by eternally-gratefull View Post
    You do not love someone by enabling them to sin, especially when they go day after day posting about how we have to be free from sin.

    You judge someone by confronting them, And hopin gthey repent, Because until their is repentance, there will be no healing.


    Again, SHow me in my first post in this thread where I attacked the op. Can you? Can anyone?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JaumeJ View Post
    Do not be silly. Read your own posts........ Now do the gentlemany act of desisting from here leaving us, all in peace.

    Your the one who accused JJ, Now prove what you said is true. Band stop trying to run from it. Do I need to show the room your first post to me in this thread again and how you attacked me?

    I have no issue proving my point, WHy you fail to prove your point is on you.

    I came in peace. Your the one trying to destroy it because of your hate towards me..
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    Quote Originally Posted by JaumeJ View Post
    Do you always convert your dialogues into your holding court?? that is odd.

    Again? You can not prove your accusations against me?

    Why is that JHJ, why do you do this every time you and I try to have a discussion. You attack with false truths. Then when I ask you to prove your words. You attack more and more..

    why is that?

    I already proved my points. Why can;t you?
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    Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus,

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaumeJ View Post
    Do you always convert your dialogues into your holding court?? that is odd.

    Again, this can all stop right here and right now. Prove your accusations against me. And it will be done..

    You do not even have to go to the other thread. Just prove I attacked you in my first post in this op.. We have to start somewhere
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    Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus,

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    Here is my first post in this thread, the post whcih was attacked by JJ in his response.

    1. Can some one show me how I was attacking JJ in this post
    2. Can someone show me where this post is accusatory or a post which would lead someone to believe I was folloingn him (by the way,. He has another threads I have not said one word in(
    3. Can someone who me what I said in this post worthy of getting attacked as JJ is doing?


    Quote Originally Posted by eternally-gratefull View Post
    TRUE repentance leads to TRUE faith which leads to TRUE salvation, which leads to TRUE works (not perfect)

    A child of God will show works, they will be obedient, John even says in his epistles they will not live in sin, that anyone who does live in sin has never seen or known God. So the thoughts that a true born again believer of Christ will not work is not found in scripture.

    It is one things to say faith without works is dead (we all agree on this) it is another thing on how people apply this passage to the gospel of christ.

    Many use it to say a person who claims to have faith, yet have never done a works, are hearers of the word only, and show no signs of being born of the spirit are probably not saved. In this, we would agree

    However, sadly, many use it to show one can lose salvation, how they can at the moment of new birth are saved, and can go for many years and do great works, but if these works stop. They lost salvation. Thus they us this passage to prove salvation can be lost.

    I will not judge the op on what he believes. I will let him decide. However, the op must realise, the difference in what people believe is not the words themselves. They all believe what jesus said through James, Faith without works is dead. Where the opposition comes is the application of the passage, what does it mean.

    I pray, as I always do. We can peacefully discuss this without assuming things, and turn to slander again.


    Eternally Grateful for the grace God has shown a wretched soul such as myself.

    Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus,

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