Call For Admonition By Ignore

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2 Thessalonians 3:1Finally, brethren, pray for us, that the word of the Lord may have free course, and be glorified, even as it is with you:[SUP] 2 [/SUP]And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith.[SUP] 3 [/SUP]But the Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and keep you from evil.[SUP] 4 [/SUP]And we have confidence in the Lord touching you, that ye both do and will do the things which we command you.[SUP] 5 [/SUP]And the Lord direct your hearts into the love of God, and into the patient waiting for Christ.[SUP] 6 [/SUP]Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.[SUP]7 [/SUP]For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you;.........[SUP]14 [/SUP]And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed.[SUP] 15 [/SUP]Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.

Here is why which I think every body contending for the faith should consider with Him in prayer about placing some posters on ignore after the second admonition.

Titus 3:[SUP]9 [/SUP]But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.[SUP] 10 [/SUP]A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;[SUP]11 [/SUP]Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.

Ephesians 5:
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.[SUP] 11 [/SUP]And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

1 John 1:[SUP]5 [/SUP]This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.[SUP] 6[/SUP]If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:[SUP]7[/SUP]But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

My concern here which includes myself, is my going beyond the second admonition. Is that a lack of faith on my part of the Lord ministering that if they do not received admonition after the second time, that I should accept that they are subverted as Paul says as led by the Spirit, and withdraw by placing them in ignore?

Otherwise, would that not have me continuing fellowship with them while trying to beat them over the head so to speak, by receiving more admonitions after the second time? It is one thing to admonish them when the time had come as in Luke 12:42-44, but to continue after the second admonition? Makes me wonder if the verses in bold below after verses 42-44 warns of that consequence in being also judged to be left behind at the pre trib rapture event.

Luke 12:[SUP]40 [/SUP]Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.[SUP] 41 [/SUP]Then Peter said unto him, Lord, speakest thou this parable unto us, or even to all?[SUP] 42 [/SUP]And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season?[SUP] 43 [/SUP]Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.[SUP] 44 [/SUP]Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath.[SUP] 45 [/SUP]But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken;[SUP] 46 [/SUP]The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.[SUP]47 [/SUP]And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.[SUP] 48 [/SUP]But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.[SUP] 49 [/SUP]I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?

My christian brothers, Dino246, shrume, and beastslayer1970 have been placed on "Ignore". I am sure they don't mind.

All 3 of my brothers believe they can use tongues privately, but beastslayer1970 was placed on ignore earlier for believing that married couples can masturbate when alone.

More will follow, because I need the Lord's help not to "beat" admonition into anyone past the second time, but that does not mean I can't reply to the thread itself. Anyone should offer admonition without having to reply to those who refuse the second admonition.

It is one thing if it is about a minor disagreement on scriptural meaning; but it is another when they are defending iniquity and they are in it or teaching others so.

I know I have been placed on ignore. Some just do it without any Biblical admonition, let alone a second one.

Just putting this out there for those that keep contending with other believers that are astray, when obviously, they have made up their minds and are subverted, even though they are still saved, because that is why the commandment to withdraw is for; not to treat them as the enemy, but admonish them as brothers still in the hopes they will be led to repentance by the Lord; and not by us beating those admonitions into them past the second one.

It is time to lean on the Lord for help to withdraw from brothers & sisters that refuse after the second admonition by placing them on ignore. You can still reply to a thread in giving admonition, but not in reply to those on ignore.

If anybody has any admonition to say to me, feel free to do so in this thread, but after the second one, if I do not repent, then put me on ignore in leaning on the Lord for help in obeying the Lord's commandment to withdraw.
 

shrume

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Based on this (^^^), perhaps everyone should place you on ignore.

In your ignorance on tongues and your belief that some Christians will miss the rapture, you are defending and teaching falsehoods, and you refuse correction.
 

Prov910

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If anybody has any admonition to say to me, feel free to do so in this thread, but after the second one, if I do not repent, then put me on ignore in leaning on the Lord for help in obeying the Lord's commandment to withdraw.
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tl;dnr
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oh good grief

this isn't a church with elders and overseers

you are not a pastor or preacher here and despite what some folks say to the contrary, because of the nature of this site, there can be no call of God to preach or teach.

a Christian agrees to the terms of use prior to signing up which means you agree to the rules of the site

you have no authority with which to admonish anyone here. to be honest, we do not know you from anyone on the street and that works for everyone here (unless people choose to physically meet which is their own business)

the only ones here that might take action are the mods and maybe you do not want that kind of action

some people practically beg for it though...:p

not surprised it has come to this though
 
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oh good grief

this isn't a church with elders and overseers
Amen to that. I guess some people just do not go to church, so they consider a forum a church?
Cannot say if that is the case with OP.

That should be an interesting poll to make.
 

MichaelOwen

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I would caution you to walk here with a humble heart. There is nothing more the Lord hates than a prideful heart.
 
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Amen to that. I guess some people just do not go to church, so they consider a forum a church?
Cannot say if that is the case with OP.

That should be an interesting poll to make.
yeah well I don't know

but even if someone is so confirmed in their belief regarding certain things, you can't emotionally blackmail folks and force some kind of conclusion for your own satisfaction

enow remains polite but IMO he is not in the right place here if it is a platform from which he hopes to teach and perhaps gain a following or something

he has been pressing this point for weeks now and it is a bit of an obsession with him and since he can read this, I say the same to him

enow...you have become obsessive over this and it won't fly here as this is a forum...not a church...even a church would not operate under the discretion of one person
 

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Regarding the rapture, is being taken up a matter of salvation or an actual belief that this will one day happen? I would venture to say that most born again Christians probably never even heard of this concept as it is not specifically mentioned in the bible. Is being raptured also predicated on whether one believes that it is pre-trib, mid trib, or post trib? I believe that the grace of God through salvation of Jesus dying on the cross for our sins is sufficient whether or not there is a rapture or however form it may take. Therefore, being raptured is not a matter of understanding but rather of the grace of God.
 

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Personally, I would only place someone on ignore if they became belligerent, hateful, mean-spirited towards my character. I am the least of anyone who should judge or admonish anyone.
 
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Just putting this out there for those that keep contending with other believers that are astray, when obviously, they have made up their minds and are subverted, even though they are still saved, because that is why the commandment to withdraw is for; not to treat them as the enemy, but admonish them as brothers still in the hopes they will be led to repentance by the Lord; and not by us beating those admonitions into them past the second one.

It is time to lean on the Lord for help to withdraw from brothers & sisters that refuse after the second admonition by placing them on ignore. You can still reply to a thread in giving admonition, but not in reply to those on ignore.

If anybody has any admonition to say to me, feel free to do so in this thread, but after the second one, if I do not repent, then put me on ignore in leaning on the Lord for help in obeying the Lord's commandment to withdraw.

you and I have had numerous exchanges and I will simply state that it may be best for you to put some of us on ignore if that will give you peace

you are preaching at people, not discussing with them

no one but you can change your behavior.

and you really need to let this hobby horse of tongues go.

I hope you listen because I believe you are sincere, but this is not the place
 

Joidevivre

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Well - you had better put me on ignore. I certainly do not qualify to be in your congregation if you read all of my postings.
 

stonesoffire

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Personally, I would only place someone on ignore if they became belligerent, hateful, mean-spirited towards my character. I am the least of anyone who should judge or admonish anyone.

Yes, I totally agree with this.
 
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Regarding the rapture, is being taken up a matter of salvation or an actual belief that this will one day happen? I would venture to say that most born again Christians probably never even heard of this concept as it is not specifically mentioned in the bible. Is being raptured also predicated on whether one believes that it is pre-trib, mid trib, or post trib? I believe that the grace of God through salvation of Jesus dying on the cross for our sins is sufficient whether or not there is a rapture or however form it may take. Therefore, being raptured is not a matter of understanding but rather of the grace of God.
One of your better posts, Jer.
 
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I, personally feel the "Ignore" button is a coward's shield...... unless it is just used for shutting up a hateful Troll.
 
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I, personally feel the "Ignore" button is a coward's shield...... unless it is just used for shutting up a hateful Troll.

I think of it more as like turning off the tv when you can't stand the programming...;)
 

notuptome

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I, personally feel the "Ignore" button is a coward's shield...... unless it is just used for shutting up a hateful Troll.
I've never used it.

For the cause of Christ
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oh good grief

this isn't a church with elders and overseers
It is an assembly of believers with admin and mods. There is liberty for tolerance, but to avoid the sin of strife and debate, biting one another and devouring one another, I think we all should heed the second admonition guideline.

you are not a pastor or preacher here and despite what some folks say to the contrary, because of the nature of this site, there can be no call of God to preach or teach.
And yet that is all any one is doing in Bible Discussion forums whether by OP or replies that contend with the OP.

No one can excommunicate or ban except a mod or admin. They have the authority to judge what is preached and taught.

I am not asking them to draw the line on each disagreement, but I am advising regular members to consider by His words not to go past the second admonition. I believe those who are likeminded with me on some issues of faith should apply faith that the Lord is not ministering if they refuse the second admonition, because they are subverted.

a Christian agrees to the terms of use prior to signing up which means you agree to the rules of the site

you have no authority with which to admonish anyone here. to be honest, we do not know you from anyone on the street and that works for everyone here (unless people choose to physically meet which is their own business)

the only ones here that might take action are the mods and maybe you do not want that kind of action

some people practically beg for it though...:p

not surprised it has come to this though
It is not about authority, but heeding the Lord's command to withdraw; otherwise, we are just "bothering" people with saying the same admonition over and over again, and Luke 12:45-46 warns about beating servants while having fellowship with them; as in risking being left behind.

Amen to that. I guess some people just do not go to church, so they consider a forum a church?
Cannot say if that is the case with OP.

That should be an interesting poll to make.
1 Corinthians 5:[SUP]9 [/SUP]I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:[SUP] 10 [/SUP]Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.[SUP]11 [/SUP]But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.[SUP] 12 [/SUP]For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?[SUP]13 [/SUP]But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

Some people use ignore for less reasons. It doesn't matter if it is not in a "church" in a traditional gathering.

It is a christian forum after all. Not sure how any one can say they are following Him when making exceptions here.

And using the ignore button is a way to lessen strife and debate in the forum, is it not? When believers have made up their minds about something past the second admonition, we need to recognize His words when to withdraw, but as a means to admonish them as brothers & sisters rather than treating them as the enemy.
 
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no enow. it is not an assembly of believers. there are all kinds of people here

perhaps that is where your trouble starts. you wish for people to be accountable

to who? you maybe?

I think the mods can sort it out

done

thanks

It is not about authority, but heeding the Lord's command to withdraw; otherwise, we are just "bothering" people with saying the same admonition over and over again, and Luke 12:45-46 warns about beating servants while having fellowship with them; as in risking being left behind.
follow your own advice.
 
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I would caution you to walk here with a humble heart. There is nothing more the Lord hates than a prideful heart.
Keeping the faith is the good fight.

If you want to draw the line against those who preach that if you do not speak in tongues, you do not have the Holy Spirit, and thus therefore you are not saved, then you need to admonish them in keeping the faith. If they refuse the second admonition, then by His words, we should withdraw with His help. That is not being prideful. That is keeping the faith while showing love towards those astray.

Our brother, shrume, believes that ALL believers are given the ability to speak in tongues by the Holy Spirit at their salvation. The problem with that teaching is what happens when somebody believes that, seeks to speak in tongues, but does not, no matter how many times the believer had asked the Lord for it. Then he will doubt he has the Holy Spirit.

Like it or not, shrume lays the groundwork for doubts to come about a believer's salvation and although shrume does not believe there is any infilling apart from salvation, many tongue speakers do in how they got tongues for private use. "shrume" cannot stop them from chasing after the Holy Spirit to receive by a sign of tongues, no matter how hard he tries.

And it gets worse. Tongue speakers cannot stop any believer from seeking to receive the infilling of the Holy Spirit again and again and again past the second blessing received with the evidence of tongues. Our sister, stonesoffire believes in more continual infilling of the Holy Spirit, probably because she has experienced it.

Just as other tongues speakers has in getting private tongues by that second blessing.

And so no matter how hard shrume tries, he can't keep believers from seeking after that second blessing to get tongues.

And yet he lays the groundwork for believers to doubt they have the Holy Spirit when obviously, the ability to speak in tongues, which shrume claims all believer has been given at their salvation, is not being manifested at all.

There is no discipline in these discussions about using tongues for private use. There is not enough discernment being done by the mods nor tongue speakers in how they are coming across when they talk about using tongues for private use.

They just don't see how they can steal the joy of our salvation from newbies that know no better.

So who has a prideful heart when they refuse to see how they can cause a brother to stumble?

Jesus taught excommunication when any believer catches another believer in a trespass that refuses correction.

Matthew 18:[SUP]11 [/SUP]For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.[SUP] 12 [/SUP]How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray?[SUP] 13 [/SUP]And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray.[SUP] 14 [/SUP]Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.[SUP] 15 [/SUP]Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.[SUP] 16 [/SUP]But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.[SUP]17 [/SUP]And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

I accept the tolerance level in the forum to allow some false teachings to be given, but I am talking about heeding His commandment to withdraw past the second admonition, and I really need His help to do even that to put someone on ignore.