2 Thessalonians 3:1Finally, brethren, pray for us, that the word of the Lord may have free course, and be glorified, even as it is with you:[SUP] 2 [/SUP]And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith.[SUP] 3 [/SUP]But the Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and keep you from evil.[SUP] 4 [/SUP]And we have confidence in the Lord touching you, that ye both do and will do the things which we command you.[SUP] 5 [/SUP]And the Lord direct your hearts into the love of God, and into the patient waiting for Christ.[SUP] 6 [/SUP]Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.[SUP]7 [/SUP]For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you;.........[SUP]14 [/SUP]And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed.[SUP] 15 [/SUP]Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.
Here is why which I think every body contending for the faith should consider with Him in prayer about placing some posters on ignore after the second admonition.
Titus 3:[SUP]9 [/SUP]But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.[SUP] 10 [/SUP]A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;[SUP]11 [/SUP]Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.
Ephesians 5:[SUP]10 [/SUP]Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.[SUP] 11 [/SUP]And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
1 John 1:[SUP]5 [/SUP]This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.[SUP] 6[/SUP]If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:[SUP]7[/SUP]But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
My concern here which includes myself, is my going beyond the second admonition. Is that a lack of faith on my part of the Lord ministering that if they do not received admonition after the second time, that I should accept that they are subverted as Paul says as led by the Spirit, and withdraw by placing them in ignore?
Otherwise, would that not have me continuing fellowship with them while trying to beat them over the head so to speak, by receiving more admonitions after the second time? It is one thing to admonish them when the time had come as in Luke 12:42-44, but to continue after the second admonition? Makes me wonder if the verses in bold below after verses 42-44 warns of that consequence in being also judged to be left behind at the pre trib rapture event.
Luke 12:[SUP]40 [/SUP]Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.[SUP] 41 [/SUP]Then Peter said unto him, Lord, speakest thou this parable unto us, or even to all?[SUP] 42 [/SUP]And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season?[SUP] 43 [/SUP]Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.[SUP] 44 [/SUP]Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath.[SUP] 45 [/SUP]But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken;[SUP] 46 [/SUP]The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.[SUP]47 [/SUP]And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.[SUP] 48 [/SUP]But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.[SUP] 49 [/SUP]I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?
My christian brothers, Dino246, shrume, and beastslayer1970 have been placed on "Ignore". I am sure they don't mind.
All 3 of my brothers believe they can use tongues privately, but beastslayer1970 was placed on ignore earlier for believing that married couples can masturbate when alone.
More will follow, because I need the Lord's help not to "beat" admonition into anyone past the second time, but that does not mean I can't reply to the thread itself. Anyone should offer admonition without having to reply to those who refuse the second admonition.
It is one thing if it is about a minor disagreement on scriptural meaning; but it is another when they are defending iniquity and they are in it or teaching others so.
I know I have been placed on ignore. Some just do it without any Biblical admonition, let alone a second one.
Just putting this out there for those that keep contending with other believers that are astray, when obviously, they have made up their minds and are subverted, even though they are still saved, because that is why the commandment to withdraw is for; not to treat them as the enemy, but admonish them as brothers still in the hopes they will be led to repentance by the Lord; and not by us beating those admonitions into them past the second one.
It is time to lean on the Lord for help to withdraw from brothers & sisters that refuse after the second admonition by placing them on ignore. You can still reply to a thread in giving admonition, but not in reply to those on ignore.
If anybody has any admonition to say to me, feel free to do so in this thread, but after the second one, if I do not repent, then put me on ignore in leaning on the Lord for help in obeying the Lord's commandment to withdraw.
Here is why which I think every body contending for the faith should consider with Him in prayer about placing some posters on ignore after the second admonition.
Titus 3:[SUP]9 [/SUP]But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.[SUP] 10 [/SUP]A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;[SUP]11 [/SUP]Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.
Ephesians 5:[SUP]10 [/SUP]Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.[SUP] 11 [/SUP]And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
1 John 1:[SUP]5 [/SUP]This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.[SUP] 6[/SUP]If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:[SUP]7[/SUP]But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
My concern here which includes myself, is my going beyond the second admonition. Is that a lack of faith on my part of the Lord ministering that if they do not received admonition after the second time, that I should accept that they are subverted as Paul says as led by the Spirit, and withdraw by placing them in ignore?
Otherwise, would that not have me continuing fellowship with them while trying to beat them over the head so to speak, by receiving more admonitions after the second time? It is one thing to admonish them when the time had come as in Luke 12:42-44, but to continue after the second admonition? Makes me wonder if the verses in bold below after verses 42-44 warns of that consequence in being also judged to be left behind at the pre trib rapture event.
Luke 12:[SUP]40 [/SUP]Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.[SUP] 41 [/SUP]Then Peter said unto him, Lord, speakest thou this parable unto us, or even to all?[SUP] 42 [/SUP]And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season?[SUP] 43 [/SUP]Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.[SUP] 44 [/SUP]Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath.[SUP] 45 [/SUP]But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken;[SUP] 46 [/SUP]The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.[SUP]47 [/SUP]And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.[SUP] 48 [/SUP]But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.[SUP] 49 [/SUP]I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?
My christian brothers, Dino246, shrume, and beastslayer1970 have been placed on "Ignore". I am sure they don't mind.
All 3 of my brothers believe they can use tongues privately, but beastslayer1970 was placed on ignore earlier for believing that married couples can masturbate when alone.
More will follow, because I need the Lord's help not to "beat" admonition into anyone past the second time, but that does not mean I can't reply to the thread itself. Anyone should offer admonition without having to reply to those who refuse the second admonition.
It is one thing if it is about a minor disagreement on scriptural meaning; but it is another when they are defending iniquity and they are in it or teaching others so.
I know I have been placed on ignore. Some just do it without any Biblical admonition, let alone a second one.
Just putting this out there for those that keep contending with other believers that are astray, when obviously, they have made up their minds and are subverted, even though they are still saved, because that is why the commandment to withdraw is for; not to treat them as the enemy, but admonish them as brothers still in the hopes they will be led to repentance by the Lord; and not by us beating those admonitions into them past the second one.
It is time to lean on the Lord for help to withdraw from brothers & sisters that refuse after the second admonition by placing them on ignore. You can still reply to a thread in giving admonition, but not in reply to those on ignore.
If anybody has any admonition to say to me, feel free to do so in this thread, but after the second one, if I do not repent, then put me on ignore in leaning on the Lord for help in obeying the Lord's commandment to withdraw.