Studyman,
This is where you totally confuse me.
You often talk about mainstream preachers of today and of Jesus time.
And somewhere amongst it you seem to have an issue with Abraham.
You say they all have added something to Gods commandments. Yet have never explained this fully, in terms of Gods commandments that we are to follow.
Anyone who disagrees with you, you then say
You are free to hear what you want to hear. I have only referenced what the Bible says. If I am shown where I am in error according to the Word's of the Bible, then I admit the error, make it right as best I can, and move on.
Jesus and Paul and Stephen and Jeremiah and Isaiah all had problems with the Mainstream Preachers of their time. You make the Statement:
"And somewhere amongst it you seem to have an issue with Abraham.
You don't explain the statement you just throw it out there with nothing to support. Frankly I have no idea what you are talking about.
Many preach that the Pharisees were interested in obeying God's Commandments. I have shown that this is not true, not with my own words, but with the Word's of the Bible in both old and new Testaments. I have posted the scriptures that teach they were not interested in obeying God, but in furthering a religion from their own vision.
Since you have read all my posts, you have already been shown these teachings several times. The fact that you ask me now about how I, and several others, have came to this conclusion, makes we question if you really read the posts or ignore them off hand. Many people don't read or study the scriptures, or take any time trying to understand scriptures, they seem more interested in justifying their own beliefs and traditions. In many cases the Bible and It's Words expose these beliefs and coming from man and not from God. This may be one reason for ignoring them.
This is important to me because Jesus warned of this.
Matt. 24:
4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ;
and shall deceive many.
I didn't make up these warnings, I didn't write the Words in both the Old and New Testaments which prophesy MANY coming in God's Name, but He didn't send them. They preach a religion, but not the ways of God. They preach a vision of their own mind. Since you have read my posts, you know all the scriptures.
I believe these warnings are just as important as the Prophesies about a New Covenant, or about the plain looking carpenter that men despised.
2 Tim. 3:
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures,
which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16 All scripture
is given by inspiration of God, and
is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction,
for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
It is these Word's that I study as His Word instructs. "
15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."
Through this study I have learned from the Jesus of the Bible that the Mainstream Preachers of Christ's time were of satan.
John 8:
43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
45
And
because I tell
you the truth, ye believe me not.
These Word's from Jesus mirror exactly the Prophesy foretold by the Law and Prophets regarding the Mainstream preachers of His time and before.
They had a law. You couldn't eat without some ceremonial washing of the hands. You couldn't take a walk on God's Holy Sabbath in fellowship and pick a raspberry to eat. You couldn't help a brother in need on God's Holy Sabbath. You couldn't even eat with a Gentile. And many other such things they do.
John 19:
6 When the chief priests therefore and officers saw him, they cried out, saying, Crucify
him, crucify
him. Pilate saith unto them, Take ye him, and crucify
him:
for I find no fault in him.
7 The Jews answered him,
We have a law, and by our law he ought to die,
because he made himself the Son of God.
Psalms 82:
5 They know not,
neither will they understand;
they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.
6 I have said,
Ye are gods;
and all of you are children of the most High.
7 But ye shall die like men,
and fall like one of the princes.
God has no such laws. And they had His Word, they had the Prophets, but they rejected the Words of God in order to continue in their own man made doctrines and Traditions. It was more important for the mainstream preachers of that time to adhere to their own traditions than to adhere to the Light.
Jesus said this was because:
John 3:
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil
hateth the light,(God's Word)
neither cometh to the light,
lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that
doeth truth (a work)cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest,
that they are wrought in God., (and not of man.)
So they will listen to anything, everything, as long as it isn't God's Truth. And because all Jesus spoke was God's Truth, they heard Him not.
So it is clear to me that the Bible teaches the Pharisees were not trying to gain Salvation by keeping God's Laws.
But "many" on this forum, and through out the world, who come in Christ's Name, preach that this statement isn't true. They preach that the Pharisees and Jews were "Trying to obey God" but couldn't because God created laws impossible to follow, then killed thousands of folks who didn't follow it, and rejected an entire religion because they tried to please God or gain Salvation by follow the Commandments of God that He created were impossible to follow.
So out of brotherly Love I have shown you and others from the Word of God that this is not true. And if someone is teaching untruths about God, are they not trying to deceive? And am I your enemy because I warn of this false preaching?
Once again you use a J for you and a small j for everyone who disagrees with you.
That is a dishonest statement Billy. We have been warned about those who would preach "Another jesus".
2 Cor. 11:
3 But I fear, lest by any means,
as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
How did the serpent deceive Eve? Did it not use God's Word? well, not the Whole Word, but the parts it could twist to deceive? And what was the purpose of the deceit. What was the serpents goal? Was it not to trick Eve into Disobeying God?
4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus,
whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received,
or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with
him.
If you are offended because I give the Jesus of the Bible a big J, and the jesus, who isn't the Firstfruit, has long hair and is handsome, who supersedes God Word, a little j don't know what to say? I'm not sorry.
All most of us have done have explained what we believe the Bible is saying.
I don't agree Billy. I think what you are doing is explaining what the church you trust is saying, not what the Bible is saying.
It seems that you are coming across as saying that anyone who disagrees with you are deceivers and by inference are not saved.
The truth is Studyman, I think most on here have no idea what you are trying to say or convey.
But I am only posing scripture from the same Book you claim to believe Billy. It's just that the mainstream teachers of today reject much of the Word of God, just as the mainstream preachers of Christ's time did, and I'm afraid you have received most of your knowledge through the filter of today's mainstream preachers, just as most of the people of Christ's time only knew what was filtered through a religion that Jesus said was of the devil.
Can I ask you to put aside whether the Pharisees were trying to obey the commandment's or not.
Yes we know they added stuff over and above the true intent of the law.
Can you explain to us all exactly what it is you believe exactly about what and how Jesus has asked us to walk.
The Bible says there is no law that can give life. It is rebellion and transgression of God's Commandments that take life according to the Word, Jesus is the only way to receive life.
I'm not going to tell you want to do.
Rom. 14:
5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day
alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
What one man says, or another man says should not be the Author of your salvation. Let every man be convinced in his own mind. We either believe the Word's of the Bible or we believe in the traditions and doctrines of men.
11 For it is written,
As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
What are the true commandments of God are we meant to walk in?
The people of Christ's time had a choice. They could follow the mainstream teaching of preachers who transgressed the commandments of God by their own man made traditions, or they could listen to God and have faith enough to follow His instruction like Abraham and Zacharias did.
I believe you and I have the same choice.
You are a smart guy Billy. Is it God's Will that we create images of Him in the likeness of men? Is it God's Will that we reject His Holy Days and create our own.
The Jesus I know instructs all people to repent, turn to God and bring forth works worthy of repentance. But you have to do this. Jesus can't do it for you, and neither can your pastor.
"So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God."
I hope once again, that I have answered your question.
