Grace alone or grace plus works?

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Is salvation by Grace alone?

  • Salvation Is by Grace alone through faith.

    Votes: 42 87.5%

  • Salvation Is by Grace through faith plus works

    Votes: 6 12.5%
  • Total voters
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eternally-gratefull

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#142
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DJ2 said:
The word "through" in grace through faith is the plus in the grace plus works.

If faith is needed then grace is not enough.
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Again, Whoever you teacher is, has failed you.

Faith only works if their is grace. If their is no grace. Then faith will not work. You will need to earn your salvation by works, unfortunately, God said his requirment is perfection. So you already fall short of Gods glory, so if their is no grace, Your lost foreve.r You have no hope.

Again, I recommend you study more.. Or at least listen to yourself. And answer why what you say does not work.

 
DJ2

DJ2

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TruthTalk said:
God's Grace, Jesus Christ, was crucified for our sins, no need for pulling God's Grace in a cart,
now that really sounds silly.
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It will not sound so silly for those who will be desperately looking for a cart as the bridegroom approaches. Matthew 25:1-13
 
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eternally-gratefull

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#144
#144
DJ2 said:
It will not sound so silly for those who will be desperately looking for a cart as the bridegroom approaches. Matthew 25:1-13
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Oh man, you keep digging yourself a hole. Jesus told us himself he will raise us, We will not need a cart. He will take hold of us and carry us himself.


While your busy waiting for that cart. We will already be in heaven. And you will wonder what happened.
 
DJ2

DJ2

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#145
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eternally-gratefull said:
Again, Whoever you teacher is, has failed you.

Faith only works if their is grace. If their is no grace. Then faith will not work. You will need to earn your salvation by works, unfortunately, God said his requirment is perfection. So you already fall short of Gods glory, so if their is no grace, Your lost foreve.r You have no hope.

Again, I recommend you study more.. Or at least listen to yourself. And answer why what you say does not work.

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If grace does not work without faith then it cannot be grace alone. No teacher needed, just a sober mind.
 
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eternally-gratefull

Guest
#149
#149
DJ2 said:
If grace does not work without faith then it cannot be grace alone. No teacher needed, just a sober mind.
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Stop it man, Your so busy trying to convince yourself you keep making it bad.

It is FAITH that does not work without Grace.

Grace happens because the cross. It does not require faith, the fact you are here is by the grace of God.

Apart grace you would have to EARN salvation. Again, Moses said, and paul confirmed, That standard is perfection.

Are you perfect? If not you need grace. If you think you are. You need to read 1 john.
 
Nehemiah6

Nehemiah6

Senior Member
#151
Jul 18, 2017
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SovereignGrace said:
And if all are atoned, all are saved. Not one atoned for human dies eternally lost. That's saying the death of the Christ, which brings atonement to those He died for, His sheep, His elect, is not sufficient. You're
espousing heresy.
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Actually you are the one espousing heresy, since Christ died not only for His sheep but for the WHOLE WORLD. The atoning work of Christ was for every human being, and to deny that is heresy.

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men

But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only [which are the sheep], but also for the sins of the whole world.
 
DJ2

DJ2

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#152
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eternally-gratefull said:
Oh man, you keep digging yourself a hole. Jesus told us himself he will raise us, We will not need a cart. He will take hold of us and carry us himself.


While your busy waiting for that cart. We will already be in heaven. And you will wonder what happened.
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The cart was a tongue-in-cheek response to post#120 by Laish. Please try to keep up.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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#155
#155
DJ2 said:
The cart was a tongue-in-cheek response to post#120 by Laish. Please try to keep up.
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Keep up?

He said you had thre cart before the horse. He was correct.

If that was supposed to be a joke, You failed miserably.
 
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joefizz

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#156
#156
preacher4truth said:
Nope. Jackass is an animal. Any person thinking anything pulls the cart of grace is one. That's a false gospel.
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Well the original proper name is "ass" but in modern times jack ass is used more commonly for donkeys.
 
DJ2

DJ2

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eternally-gratefull said:
Stop it man, Your so busy trying to convince yourself you keep making it bad.

It is FAITH that does not work without Grace.

Grace happens because the cross. It does not require faith, the fact you are here is by the grace of God.

Apart grace you would have to EARN salvation. Again, Moses said, and paul confirmed, That standard is perfection.

Are you perfect? If not you need grace. If you think you are. You need to read 1 john.
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You need to relax and reread your own posts. You have repeatedly said that you need grace, you have also stated you need faith to get grace, hence grace plus faith. By your own words you need grace plus something else. Why can you not see this?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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#160
#160
DJ2 said:
You need to relax and reread your own posts. You have repeatedly said that you need grace, you have also stated you need faith to get grace, hence grace plus faith. By your own words you need grace plus something else. Why can you not see this?
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Dude, twice I have said apart from grace you faith would not work.

You keep trying to twist it to suit your own gospel of works. It will not work.

Again, if it were not for GRACE, no amount of faith would matter, I would be held responsible for my own work. And God requires PERFECTION.

Are you perfect? If not. NBo amount of work will save you, no matter what kind of faith you have.

Here is what separates you and I

You have faith in your work

I have faith in God.

Who do you think is more trustworthy> You or God?
 
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