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I think that a person can stop buying oil for their lamp from the Lord... the light can dwindle but the Lord will give warning and renew if you hear Him..
You can think of it as a found sheep looking down at the floor for green pastures falling behind the flock.. the Good Shepherd will see you and gather you reminding you to keep your eyes on Him not to be lost... because He never loses sight of His Flock.. the sheep start to look around..
Now I’m the least writer forgive my short comings but I offer with good intent..
You can think of it as a found sheep looking down at the floor for green pastures falling behind the flock.. the Good Shepherd will see you and gather you reminding you to keep your eyes on Him not to be lost... because He never loses sight of His Flock.. the sheep start to look around..
Now I’m the least writer forgive my short comings but I offer with good intent..
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Backsliding just means you are not actively living for God. Some like to make judgments about people in such a state, but it's often one part of a spiritual journey. Often times returning back to God strengthens ones faith.
Sometimes people don't realize they've done it, some "take a break", as I've done in the past and some just make a bad choice.
Now I find this to be different than someone who walks away from God and blatantly denies God and speaks against Him or His existence.
Sometimes people don't realize they've done it, some "take a break", as I've done in the past and some just make a bad choice.
Now I find this to be different than someone who walks away from God and blatantly denies God and speaks against Him or His existence.
My Lord, this Sisiter is asking a serious question and all you guys have is your own personal ideas.
Forist of all if you using the ESV, NASB, NKJV or KJV you will find one Scripture that has the word "backslider" in it, it you use the NIV or RSV you will not find it at all, so let's look at the verses before the verse that has backslider in it and those after as well to see what it is saying. Proverbs 14:14 is the verse that has the word in it. 14:12-16
“There is a way that seems right to a man, but its end is the way to death.13 Even in laughter the heart may ache, and the end of joy may be grief.14 The backslider in heart will be filled with the fruit of his ways, and a good man will be filled with the fruit of his ways.15 The simple believes everything, but the prudent gives thought to his steps.16 One who is wise is cautious and turns away from evil, but a fool is reckless and careless.17 A man of quick temper acts foolishly,and a man of evil devices is hated.18 The simple inherit folly,but the prudent are crowned with knowledge.”
From these verses it seem as though the backslider in heart relies on his own thoughts or reasoning which leads to death and grief are in the two verses before verse 14 and the good man or a backsliden man in heart are given in verses 15-18. This does not mention anything about salvation as so many would tell you that a backsliders is one that has fallen from salvation. Which is a man made doctrine, once a person is justified by the Lord they can not be judged for that crime or sins (past, present and future) again if they were that would be double jepardy and the Father would be an unjust judge, which we know He is not the case, He is a righteous judge that knows all things, He has all the information to judge rightly.
Rely on the Lord in all your ways and you will never have to worry about being backsliden in heart. Because once we have been called into the body of Christ, the Father looks at the finished work of Christ in His atoning work, instaed of our sins. Hallelujah if our salvation depended on us keep it, maintaining it or doing good to receive it we would all be in our sin forever.
Forist of all if you using the ESV, NASB, NKJV or KJV you will find one Scripture that has the word "backslider" in it, it you use the NIV or RSV you will not find it at all, so let's look at the verses before the verse that has backslider in it and those after as well to see what it is saying. Proverbs 14:14 is the verse that has the word in it. 14:12-16
“There is a way that seems right to a man, but its end is the way to death.13 Even in laughter the heart may ache, and the end of joy may be grief.14 The backslider in heart will be filled with the fruit of his ways, and a good man will be filled with the fruit of his ways.15 The simple believes everything, but the prudent gives thought to his steps.16 One who is wise is cautious and turns away from evil, but a fool is reckless and careless.17 A man of quick temper acts foolishly,and a man of evil devices is hated.18 The simple inherit folly,but the prudent are crowned with knowledge.”
From these verses it seem as though the backslider in heart relies on his own thoughts or reasoning which leads to death and grief are in the two verses before verse 14 and the good man or a backsliden man in heart are given in verses 15-18. This does not mention anything about salvation as so many would tell you that a backsliders is one that has fallen from salvation. Which is a man made doctrine, once a person is justified by the Lord they can not be judged for that crime or sins (past, present and future) again if they were that would be double jepardy and the Father would be an unjust judge, which we know He is not the case, He is a righteous judge that knows all things, He has all the information to judge rightly.
Rely on the Lord in all your ways and you will never have to worry about being backsliden in heart. Because once we have been called into the body of Christ, the Father looks at the finished work of Christ in His atoning work, instaed of our sins. Hallelujah if our salvation depended on us keep it, maintaining it or doing good to receive it we would all be in our sin forever.
The bible presents sanctification in a dual manner......One who has trusted into Christ by faith biblically has been
a. Born again spiritually of incorruptible seed which is eternal, does not sin
b. Saved <--preserved in Christ
c. Justified <---Rendered innocent in Christ before the Heavenly Father
d. Sealed by the Holy Spirit <---God's stamp of approval and the pre-payment of our eternal inheritance
e. Sanctified <---Eternally positioned in Christ as a child of God
After this sanctification in our daily lives is a process of growth, transformation and maturity....we study the word, apply the word and it changes us outwardly because of the change that is taking place inwardly. This process takes years and is never ending our whole life....it is filled with successes and failures...it is unique to each individual...it can be accelerated and or stunted based upon your level of faithfulness.....one who has begun this process after salvation with a period of spiritual growth who stumbles, fails, slips back into that old man has "backslidden".
This does not mean they have lost their salvation and by all means this can happen for numerous reasons such as a lack of biblical teaching, ignorance, willfully based upon circumstance, tragedy, misconstrued ideas about difficulties, running with the wrong crowd etc.....
EVEN PETER went back to fishing until the Lord had a nice fish dinner with him on the shore and somewhat rebuked him. It happens to many believers and ends with varying results.............
a. Born again spiritually of incorruptible seed which is eternal, does not sin
b. Saved <--preserved in Christ
c. Justified <---Rendered innocent in Christ before the Heavenly Father
d. Sealed by the Holy Spirit <---God's stamp of approval and the pre-payment of our eternal inheritance
e. Sanctified <---Eternally positioned in Christ as a child of God
After this sanctification in our daily lives is a process of growth, transformation and maturity....we study the word, apply the word and it changes us outwardly because of the change that is taking place inwardly. This process takes years and is never ending our whole life....it is filled with successes and failures...it is unique to each individual...it can be accelerated and or stunted based upon your level of faithfulness.....one who has begun this process after salvation with a period of spiritual growth who stumbles, fails, slips back into that old man has "backslidden".
This does not mean they have lost their salvation and by all means this can happen for numerous reasons such as a lack of biblical teaching, ignorance, willfully based upon circumstance, tragedy, misconstrued ideas about difficulties, running with the wrong crowd etc.....
EVEN PETER went back to fishing until the Lord had a nice fish dinner with him on the shore and somewhat rebuked him. It happens to many believers and ends with varying results.............
backsliding can happen.
i think what u are thinking grock is apostasy. where folks deny the Lord and dont ever come back.
these are different. backsliding is u mess up for a while and comeback.
Pro 24:16 For a just man falleth seven times, and riseth up again: but the wicked shall fall into mischief.
Heb 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
Heb 12:7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
Heb 12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
obviously no one of us atleast i dont want to be chastened haha
and all God's people said??
i think what u are thinking grock is apostasy. where folks deny the Lord and dont ever come back.
these are different. backsliding is u mess up for a while and comeback.
Pro 24:16 For a just man falleth seven times, and riseth up again: but the wicked shall fall into mischief.
Heb 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
Heb 12:7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
Heb 12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
obviously no one of us atleast i dont want to be chastened haha
and all God's people said??
backsliding can happen.
i think what u are thinking grock is apostasy. where folks deny the Lord and dont ever come back.
these are different. backsliding is u mess up for a while and comeback.
Pro 24:16 For a just man falleth seven times, and riseth up again: but the wicked shall fall into mischief.
Heb 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
Heb 12:7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
Heb 12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
obviously no one of us atleast i dont want to be chastened haha
and all God's people said??
i think what u are thinking grock is apostasy. where folks deny the Lord and dont ever come back.
these are different. backsliding is u mess up for a while and comeback.
Pro 24:16 For a just man falleth seven times, and riseth up again: but the wicked shall fall into mischief.
Heb 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
Heb 12:7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
Heb 12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
obviously no one of us atleast i dont want to be chastened haha
and all God's people said??
AMEN.......
There most assuredly are tares among us. But believers can be apostate. The sin unto death may be their discipline.
While most want to say apostasy is a 'crazy,wild eyed,foaming at the mouth former believer who sins 24/7 and denies Christ."
Most true apostasy is in the form of religion. Not an outright denial of Christ, but deny Christ through their own self righteousness.
For a born again Christian. There is no condemnation. Even if they go apostate into religion/own righteousness(the WORST state of apostasy.)
1 Cor 3
11For no man can lay a foundation other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12Now if any man builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, 13each man’s work will become evident; for the day will show it because it is to be revealed with fire, and the fire itself will test the quality of each man’s work. 14If any man’s work which he has built on it remains, he will receive a reward. 15If any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.
While most want to say apostasy is a 'crazy,wild eyed,foaming at the mouth former believer who sins 24/7 and denies Christ."
Most true apostasy is in the form of religion. Not an outright denial of Christ, but deny Christ through their own self righteousness.
For a born again Christian. There is no condemnation. Even if they go apostate into religion/own righteousness(the WORST state of apostasy.)
1 Cor 3
11For no man can lay a foundation other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12Now if any man builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, 13each man’s work will become evident; for the day will show it because it is to be revealed with fire, and the fire itself will test the quality of each man’s work. 14If any man’s work which he has built on it remains, he will receive a reward. 15If any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.
Eph 4:30
New American Standard Bible
Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.
1 Thes 5:19
New American Standard Bible
Do not quench the Spirit;
Gal 5:16
New American Standard Bible
But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh.
Eph 5:18
New American Standard Bible
And do not get drunk with wine, for that is dissipation, but be filled with the Spirit,
All are commands for the believer to follow and do. If at anytime we are not, we have reverted back to the "old way" Or backslid.
And the vast majority of us revert (backslide)back to trying to clean up the old man(religion) rather than walking in the new creation in Christ.
New American Standard Bible
Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.
1 Thes 5:19
New American Standard Bible
Do not quench the Spirit;
Gal 5:16
New American Standard Bible
But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh.
Eph 5:18
New American Standard Bible
And do not get drunk with wine, for that is dissipation, but be filled with the Spirit,
All are commands for the believer to follow and do. If at anytime we are not, we have reverted back to the "old way" Or backslid.
And the vast majority of us revert (backslide)back to trying to clean up the old man(religion) rather than walking in the new creation in Christ.
I believe backsliding may be defined differently and applied differently by christians.
I think of backsliding Biblically as no longer walking in the light in fellowship with the Father & the Son.
1 John 1:[SUP]3 [/SUP]That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.[SUP] 4 [/SUP]And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.[SUP]5 [/SUP]This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.[SUP] 6 [/SUP]If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:[SUP] 7 [/SUP]But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.[SUP] 8 [/SUP]If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.[SUP] 9 [/SUP]If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.[SUP]10 [/SUP]If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
Jesus prayed to the Father....
John 17:[SUP]14 [/SUP]I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. [SUP]15 [/SUP]I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. [SUP]6 [/SUP]They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 17Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. [SUP]18 [/SUP]As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
So our exhortations to each other should be to lean on Him for help to not to backslide;
1 Peter 4:1Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;[SUP] 2 [/SUP]That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.[SUP] 3 [/SUP]For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries:[SUP] 4 [/SUP]Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you:[SUP] 5 [/SUP]Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead.[SUP] 6 [/SUP]For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.[SUP] 7 [/SUP]But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer.
I think of backsliding Biblically as no longer walking in the light in fellowship with the Father & the Son.
1 John 1:[SUP]3 [/SUP]That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.[SUP] 4 [/SUP]And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.[SUP]5 [/SUP]This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.[SUP] 6 [/SUP]If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:[SUP] 7 [/SUP]But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.[SUP] 8 [/SUP]If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.[SUP] 9 [/SUP]If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.[SUP]10 [/SUP]If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
Jesus prayed to the Father....
John 17:[SUP]14 [/SUP]I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. [SUP]15 [/SUP]I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. [SUP]6 [/SUP]They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 17Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. [SUP]18 [/SUP]As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
So our exhortations to each other should be to lean on Him for help to not to backslide;
1 Peter 4:1Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;[SUP] 2 [/SUP]That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.[SUP] 3 [/SUP]For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries:[SUP] 4 [/SUP]Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you:[SUP] 5 [/SUP]Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead.[SUP] 6 [/SUP]For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.[SUP] 7 [/SUP]But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer.
there is nothing wrong with religion if its the right one.
James 1:27
Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
apostasy means departure from the faith. which means u deny Christ. not do works. what ur preaching sounds like hyper grace.
James 1:27
Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
apostasy means departure from the faith. which means u deny Christ. not do works. what ur preaching sounds like hyper grace.
Religion means what is in the power of man to do.
Luke 9:[SUP]23 [/SUP]And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.
Matthew 11:[SUP]28 [/SUP]Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.[SUP] 29 [/SUP]Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.[SUP]30 [/SUP]For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
Christianity in regards to salvation and living that reconciled relationship with God by faith in Jesus Christ as our Good Shepherd in helping us to follow Him can never be a religion of doing the best you can when we can only follow Him by faith.
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Luke 9:[SUP]23 [/SUP]And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.
Matthew 11:[SUP]28 [/SUP]Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.[SUP] 29 [/SUP]Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.[SUP]30 [/SUP]For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
Christianity in regards to salvation and living that reconciled relationship with God by faith in Jesus Christ as our Good Shepherd in helping us to follow Him can never be a religion of doing the best you can when we can only follow Him by faith.
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Jeremiah 3:22 KJV
4878[e]
mə·šū·ḇō·ṯê·ḵem;
מְשׁוּבֹֽתֵיכֶ֑ם
your backslidings
Noun
4878. meshubah
Strong's Concordance
meshubah: turning back, apostasy
Original Word: מְשׁוּבָה
Part of Speech: Noun Feminine
Transliteration: meshubah
Phonetic Spelling: (mesh-oo-baw')
Short Definition: faithless
NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from shub
Definition
turning back, apostasy
NASB Translation
apostasies (3), apostasy (2), faithless (4), faithlessness (1), turning (1), waywardness (1)
People ought to "dig it out" before spewing eisegesis.
Obviously not Bereans.
4878[e]
mə·šū·ḇō·ṯê·ḵem;
מְשׁוּבֹֽתֵיכֶ֑ם
your backslidings
Noun
4878. meshubah
Strong's Concordance
meshubah: turning back, apostasy
Original Word: מְשׁוּבָה
Part of Speech: Noun Feminine
Transliteration: meshubah
Phonetic Spelling: (mesh-oo-baw')
Short Definition: faithless
NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from shub
Definition
turning back, apostasy
NASB Translation
apostasies (3), apostasy (2), faithless (4), faithlessness (1), turning (1), waywardness (1)
People ought to "dig it out" before spewing eisegesis.
Obviously not Bereans.
I have faith in God Almighty - maker of heaven and earth. I read and study His Word daily. I spend time in prayer with Him daily.
The only thing I have shown no humility in is with all of the I's I have placed in these sentences.
Now having said all of the above, I no longer attend my church and haven't in a year. That does not me - at least to me - that I have backslid.
There are reasons I've stopped. Gotten out of the habit of going. It's a huge church and I feel lost in it. Feel like an ant in a 20-ace plot.
The main reason I have stopped though is a very personal one. Not one of the pastors leading that congregation came to comfort my husband on the death of his daughter.
Here is where I know I have to practice humility and forgiveness - of this I am aware.
The only thing I have shown no humility in is with all of the I's I have placed in these sentences.
Now having said all of the above, I no longer attend my church and haven't in a year. That does not me - at least to me - that I have backslid.
There are reasons I've stopped. Gotten out of the habit of going. It's a huge church and I feel lost in it. Feel like an ant in a 20-ace plot.
The main reason I have stopped though is a very personal one. Not one of the pastors leading that congregation came to comfort my husband on the death of his daughter.
Here is where I know I have to practice humility and forgiveness - of this I am aware.