Is healing promised to the believers?

[joaniemarie]

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That's how a lot of healing works. That's how we learn in these mortal bodies. It took us a long time in our unsaved state to be thoroughly convinced in our old minds about how to live life here on planet earth. Now as new creations IN Christ we have a new manner of living to learn about and as we put ON Christ., we put OFF those old habits of life that taught us to fend for ourselves, take care of ourselves by pulling ourselves up by our bootstraps.

God works with us where we are and grows us up to be what we were called to be. We have the promises bought and paid for. Now we go forward and have them by grace through faith... the same way we were saved by grace through faith.

Lot's of junk is in the world but that doesn't mean that junk is for us. The world., the flesh and the devil will still come at us but we have the helmet of salvation and the shield of faith to fend off the fiery darts of the wicked one. We are supposed to "resist" but when it comes to many things coming at Christians in this life., they do not resist because they were never taught how. Some Christians live lives as if they have no helmet and no faith like Heb.11:1 speaks of. We have things the unsaved man doesn't. Why do so many Christians just put down their armor and act like they are at the mercy of the world?

Sorry Joaniemarie, I cant find this princip in the Bible, that People are healed 10,20,30,90 %. Our do I missunderstand you? The bible says that we are get new bodys. An so long this not has taking place, we are in our fleshly body end getting sick. Everything else is far from any reality. In no letter of the NT this is taught from the Holy Spirit. How to overcome our old nature is another topic.[/QUOTE]








Yes., I agree we get new bodies. And also while we are here we have an inheritance given to us that is applied by faith. No., unsaved people do not have this promise so no., the world does not have this healing unless one of us prays for them.



Some of us have faith for only a few things while others have faith for many things. Faith starts off as a seed and grows as we water it by the washing of the water of the Word. When a believer gets sick he has the Healer. Jesus died so we could have all the promises. The only condition is to believe by grace through faith that because of Jesus we have this treasure in earthen vessels.



Many Christians are not taught to believe for healing in the atonement and so they do not expect it. Their parents were good Christian people but they didn't believe in healing in the atonement and taught their kids not to believe in healing in the atonement.



It has been already stated before here on this thread as well as thousands of other threads and posts from believers... if we don't ask for and expect Him to do as He says., how can we expect God to follow through on promises we don't believe Him to do even though it says in the Bible He will?



People believe with their eyes and emotions and human reasoning and not by faith. Why? because it's HOW WE WERE TAUGHT TO LIVE HERE ON EARTH. It's how we were taught to get by. And sadly it's how many Christians teach Christians to get by when they should be teaching God will get us through IN Christ., not by ourselves through our own righteousness.



Good people who don't understand faith say "No healing of the child in the hospital..? can't be God heals then since God would heal innocent children if healing were real." If those innocents don't have Jesus believing people in their lives they are still under the inheritance of the world system and death and sickness and confusion is part of that system.



Innocent children and innocent people suffering at the hands of the "world., flesh..., devil" will occur. They need and Advocate. They need His ambassadors. They need us praying for them and telling them about Jesus so they can be ambassadors too. But sadly main stream religion teaches non of this. As a matter of fact., many good Christians teach against it like here on this thread.



Sure., this kind of faith is beyond human reality I agree! But God CALLS AND EXPECTS us to believe Him beyond human reality..., regardless of what this world., this flesh and the devil tell us. Read Heb.11:1 Faith in God is more than believing in a chair in our living room to hold us up.


Faith in God's love in Christ for us is a whole other reality that many don't dare walk into and so they don't see the daily miracles. They don't see the Good Shepherd lead them to safe and green pastures.



As much as we humans don't understand this., God has called for us to LIVE BY FAITH AND NOT BY SIGHT in all areas of our lives not just in the healing area. It's by grace through faith how we have the promises. There is no other way. If we have not yet seen these promises come to pass., ask Him to lead you into this kind of faith and He will. We have the Holy Spirit in us to do just that.

 

[joaniemarie]

Joaniemarie you says : "There are many reasons and only God knows why some are not being healed because none of us can get inside the minds of someone else. We each have enough to do to walk our own faith out in all seriousness and single mindedness."

This means you see the responsibiltiy that someone becomes and stayes sick in the person itself. With other words: If you are sick it is your fault and you have not enough faith. Is this what you want to say?



No., what i say is sickness., death and dying. Confusion., poverty., doubts... are all a part of living on this planet. Christians have the promise to not be subject to these things but the condition is by grace through faith and that takes the need of the washing of the water of the Word.

I need to have my old way of thinking washed away and in it's place His ways of thinking and being. This is a daily change of mind we are called to. It's the true meaning of repentance for the believer. This doesn't happen in one full swoop. This takes time in many cases because we did not come to this life learning to trust God.

We were taught to trust our parents, our government., our elders etc... who told us to grow up and trust ourselves and in our abilities and that God helps those who help themselves.

BTW., In this discussion we are having., you can not say of my whole life with one giant brush covering it all.. "in other words you are saying" There are too many things that need to be said to cover this. We have only touched on some of them.






you say: "The apostle John knew Jesus loved him. John recorded it in his books calling himself the "disciple whom Jesus loved" John practiced the love of Jesus in his life. I see how important that is and I've followed John's example. My life has not been the same. The HolySpirit taught this to me through reading the Bible and hearing about the love of God in Christ preached over and over. My old manner of living had to be de-programmed. The Holy Spirit does that as we submit."

Will you say that so more you love God so less you are sick? The measure of getting and stay sick is the love to God?

When we learn to trust in the finished work of Jesus for our standing before God for His love and watch-care of us., we will have faith in Jesus worthiness and not ourselves and the teachings we received from., our parents., our friends., our government and their traditions to meet our needs to make us worthy.

When we know we can trust someone to love us unconditionally based on the finished work of Jesus in our lives.., we will learn to trust them that way for all we need in life. We love Him because He first loved us. Do we understand the love of God in one sitting before the Bible? No., at least I don't.

I've got a lot to learn but the more willing I am to submit to the Holy Spirit to teach me about the love of God IN Christ, the more I'm able to drop off my old manner of living and take on His.

 

[joaniemarie]

1. Is it not true that when someone's time is up, they may simply die at the appointed time?

2. Is it also not true that Christians who partake of the Lord's Supper unworthily may be subject to weakness, sickness, and premature death?

3. Is it not also true that there is a "sin unto death", and the apostle tells us not to pray for that?

Divine healing is definitely something to pray about, but there is no guarantee that the one prayed for will be healed. Many faithful Christians never get healed. And all are subject to sickness, disease, and death in their mortal bodies. Paul's "thorn in the flesh" was probably a physical disability (since "flesh" here means the body) for which he prayed and was given no relief. Epaphroditus nearly died of his sickness, but was healed through prayer. Timothy was advised to drink a little wine for the sake of his presumably delicate stomach.

Some Christians claim that the spiritual gift of healing is still in place. If that were true, there should always be a miracle worker in every church, and every Christian should be healed immediately through this person (apart from prayer). But that is not the case.

No., God's Word doesn't teach us we each have an "appointed time to die" The Bible says it is appointed unto men ONCE to die and then after this comes the judgement. Heb.9:27 There is a lot to learn in this verse but that we are appointed a time to die is not one of them.

Many things we chose WILL cause us to die prematurely against the will of God for us. God appointing us to die is human thinking., not Bible thinking. Unsaved people are always saying... "when your time is up it's up and there's nothing you can do about it. We must not adopt worldly thinking. Our job is to adopt God's way of thinking.

Psalms 91 has many promises in it that many Christians do not believe in and so they don't apply these promises to themselves. (sadly)

In the last verse it talks about how he will satisfy us with long life. If you are satisfied with a short life., ok ask Him for that., if you want a long life.. ok pray for that. The conditions are the same as for the other promises in Psalm 91. By grace through faith in the finished work of Jesus. Just like all the other promises that are our inheritance.

No., communion is not for us to die. You have wrongly interpreted the communion verses according the the law of sin and death. Jesus wants us to remember HIS death until He comes back because we need to be reminded that He did for us by paying for all our sins on the cross. Good grief why would Jesus die on the cross for our sins only to kill us for sinning?

Jesus died for us because He loves us. He wants us to celebrate by remembering freshly each day what He did. He didn't institute communion for us to get zapped in the pew for our sins. shhhesshhhh man's religion has far reaching claws of death and destruction. God's Son Jesus has come to give us life and that more abundantly.

The only amazing guarantee for healing is that Jesus paid for our inheritance and we have it by grace through faith. It's not up to our good works, our good behavior., or our own self righteousness. It's given to those who apply Jesus to all the promises given to them. Learning all we can about our inheritance in Christ is vital to the ability to know what to pray for. We have not been left alone in this because Jesus also gave us His Holy Spirit to guide and teach and comfort each believer into their inheritance. ... and by the leading of the Holy Spirit we can

 

[wolfwint]

Sorry Joaniemarie, I cant find this princip in the Bible, that People are healed 10,20,30,90 %. Our do I missunderstand you? The bible says that we are get new bodys. An so long this not has taking place, we are in our fleshly body end getting sick. Everything else is far from any reality. In no letter of the NT this is taught from the Holy Spirit. How to overcome our old nature is another topic.

Thats Sounds thats you believe thats we present Live in a Paradis as Christiane, we only habe to believe it.
Bible says in Romans 12, 3 thats God gives the measure of Faith to everybody. Thats means we cant produce Faith. Its a Gift! Yes, we should Love and Trust our heavenly Father. But nowhere in the Bible he promissed us a life in health and wealth on this earth, in this life. But you cant find that the Lord promissed us persecution if we follow ihm!!
Yes our father is caŕrying us through. You Doctrine tells that if you are sick it is you own fault, and your lack on faith.
Thats a false Doctrine, which I cant find in the Bible.







Yes., I agree we get new bodies. And also while we are here we have an inheritance given to us that is applied by faith. No., unsaved people do not have this promise so no., the world does not have this healing unless one of us prays for them.



Some of us have faith for only a few things while others have faith for many things. Faith starts off as a seed and grows as we water it by the washing of the water of the Word. When a believer gets sick he has the Healer. Jesus died so we could have all the promises. The only condition is to believe by grace through faith that because of Jesus we have this treasure in earthen vessels.



Many Christians are not taught to believe for healing in the atonement and so they do not expect it. Their parents were good Christian people but they didn't believe in healing in the atonement and taught their kids not to believe in healing in the atonement.



It has been already stated before here on this thread as well as thousands of other threads and posts from believers... if we don't ask for and expect Him to do as He says., how can we expect God to follow through on promises we don't believe Him to do even though it says in the Bible He will?



People believe with their eyes and emotions and human reasoning and not by faith. Why? because it's HOW WE WERE TAUGHT TO LIVE HERE ON EARTH. It's how we were taught to get by. And sadly it's how many Christians teach Christians to get by when they should be teaching God will get us through IN Christ., not by ourselves through our own righteousness.



Good people who don't understand faith say "No healing of the child in the hospital..? can't be God heals then since God would heal innocent children if healing were real." If those innocents don't have Jesus believing people in their lives they are still under the inheritance of the world system and death and sickness and confusion is part of that system.



Innocent children and innocent people suffering at the hands of the "world., flesh..., devil" will occur. They need and Advocate. They need His ambassadors. They need us praying for them and telling them about Jesus so they can be ambassadors too. But sadly main stream religion teaches non of this. As a matter of fact., many good Christians teach against it like here on this thread.



Sure., this kind of faith is beyond human reality I agree! But God CALLS AND EXPECTS us to believe Him beyond human reality..., regardless of what this world., this flesh and the devil tell us. Read Heb.11:1 Faith in God is more than believing in a chair in our living room to hold us up.


Faith in God's love in Christ for us is a whole other reality that many don't dare walk into and so they don't see the daily miracles. They don't see the Good Shepherd lead them to safe and green pastures.



As much as we humans don't understand this., God has called for us to LIVE BY FAITH AND NOT BY SIGHT in all areas of our lives not just in the healing area. It's by grace through faith how we have the promises. There is no other way. If we have not yet seen these promises come to pass., ask Him to lead you into this kind of faith and He will. We have the Holy Spirit in us to do just that.[/QUOTE]

 

[Nehemiah6]

You Doctrine tells that if you are sick it is you own fault, and your lack on faith. Thats a false Doctrine, which I cant find in the Bible.

Since joaniemarie has been bewitched by false teachers such as Joseph Prince etc., she will probably turn around and accuse you of false doctrine instead of listening to you. She continues to post JP nonsense as though no one has noted his promotion of gross error.

 

[joaniemarie]

Since joaniemarie has been bewitched by false teachers such as Joseph Prince etc., she will probably turn around and accuse you of false doctrine instead of listening to you. She continues to post JP nonsense as though no one has noted his promotion of gross error.

Since Nehemiah cannot fairly agree to disagree he insists on making all my posts about JP or other preachers I've mentioned before that I agree with in certain areas. Nehemiah can't uphold his personal beliefs and force me to bend to them so he finds it easier to condemn me and call me "bewitched" for mine. The only gross error here is his.

 

[beastslayer1970]

Since joaniemarie has been bewitched by false teachers such as Joseph Prince etc., she will probably turn around and accuse you of false doctrine instead of listening to you. She continues to post JP nonsense as though no one has noted his promotion of gross error.

I thought posting things and about hyper grace teachers was against the rules?

 

[oldethennew]

When we learn to trust in the finished work of Jesus for our standing before God for His love and watch-care of us., we will have faith in Jesus worthiness and not ourselves and the teachings we received from., our parents., our friends., our government and their traditions to meet our needs to make us worthy.

When we know we can trust someone to love us unconditionally based on the finished work of Jesus in our lives.., we will learn to trust them that way for all we need in life. We love Him because He first loved us. Do we understand the love of God in one sitting before the Bible? No., at least I don't.

I've got a lot to learn but the more willing I am to submit to the Holy Spirit to teach me about the love of God IN Christ, the more I'm able to drop off my old manner of living and take on His.

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we only pray that you understand what your are espousing and that you
will be able, through the gift of Christ to do this...

 

[iamsoandso]

The real and complete healing is shown here (as all other healing is only in a temporary human body that will eventually die)

Genesis 3:22-24, “And יהוה Mighty said, “See, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil. And now, lest he put out his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever… so יהוה Mighty sent him out of the garden of Ěḏen to till the ground from which he was taken, and He drove the man out. And He placed keruḇim at the east of the garden of Ěḏen, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to guard the way to the tree of life.”


Revelation 2:7, “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the assemblies. To him who overcomes I shall give to eat from the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of יהוה.”


Revelation 22:14, "“Blessed are those doing His commands, so that the authority shall be theirs unto the tree of life, and to enter through the gates into the city. (Mat 19:17) (Long before the books were compiled to form “The New Testament,” Rev 22:14 was quoted, as it is here given, by Tertullian (CE 208), and by Cyprian (CE 251) – see the well-known Antenicene Fathers)


Revelation 22:1-3, “And he showed me a river of water of life, clear as crystal, coming from the throne of יהוה and of the Lamb."In the middle of its street, and on either side of the river, was the tree of life, which bore twelve fruits, each tree yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. And no longer shall there be any curse, and the throne of יהוה and of the Lamb shall be in it, and His servants shall serve Him.”

Revelation 22:2 and Ezekiel 47:12 are parallel one state it to be the healing of the nations and the other ,,,,"because the water flows from the sanctuary".

 

[Jackson123]

I'm not seeing anyone here preferring the company of the earth to the company of heaven. Wherever Jesus is that is where we want to be.

Amen, but AS human, some people and apostle Paul longing to be with the Lord in the sense of die soner, because It is more pleasure than live oN earth

 

[iamsoandso]

Ephraim,,,why,Ephraim,,,?

 

[iamsoandso]

In regards,,,
Joseph had children in Egypt and Jacob adopted them as his own right or not?,,,Genesis 48:5,,Genesis 48:20...
Then now Joseph is given "two portions"Ezekiel 47;13..."double portions"=means what ?

Then Ephraim who is, Genesis 48:19 ,,mixes with the nations, Hosea 7:8,,,

Now the water flows out of the sanctuary and it's leaves are for the healing of the nations...

 

[stonesoffire]

There is no destiny.

Destiny is an unknown power who plays willy-nilly on the universe for unknown reasons.

There is God. There is but one God. He is known. He ain't playing willy-nilly. His purpose is clear. He will have himself a people who will love and worship him forever. AND "forever" started the day he saved us. And he predestined us to be one of his people, not because we deserve it, but because he loved us for whatever reason the God-who-created-the-universe chose to love us.

With that understanding, don't you think he'll get us where he wants us when we need to be there, with, or without our permission? And given how much he went through to prove his love, don't you think, ultimately, we'll love him for that too, even if we didn't want to go there in the first place?

There is no destiny. If God heals us, that's because he needed us to be healed for his love of us and for our purpose in him. If he doesn't, that's because we don't need to be healed for his love of us and for our purpose in him.

I'm not sure I ever want to let go. Then again, Jonah didn't want to go to Nineveh either. I trust God to work it all out whether I want to or not. I don't like not knowing what is coming. On the other hand, he gave me the ultimate plan, so he will get me where he wants be to go.

Him I know. Destiny I don't, because it doesn't exist.

? We all have a purpose to fulfill. I've never heard anyone befor you to say there is no destiny. Am shocked Lynn.


Eph 1:11 In the Messiah we were also chosen when we were predestined according to the purpose of the one who does everything that he wills to do,

Eph 1:12 so that we who had already fixed our hope on the Messiah might live for his praise and glory.

 

[know1]

So a 5 year old child manifests epilepsy to itself? A newborn baby manifests a deadly heart condition to itself? No offense but you sound ridiculous..

Only to the ignorant, simple, and deceived.
The reason for bad things happening to infants and small children is due to the sins of one or both of the parents or grandparents.
Please notice in the parable of the unforgiving servant in Matthew 18 how the sin of the father/husband affected not only the wife but the children as well.

Mat 18:25 But forasmuch as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children, and all that he had, and payment to be made.
Mat 18:32 Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me:
Mat 18:33 Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?
Mat 18:34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.
Mat 18:35 So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.

Also note that the debt God forgave, He revisited. Not only that, but He tacked on tormentors because of the lack of forgiveness toward his fellow servants.

Joh 5:14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.

 

[know1]

Illness befalls us as a consequence of the original sin.. It's NOTHING that WE do to ourselves. God doesn't beset us with illness just because we refuse to repent, or because we have some sort of blame..

And many here, including myself, will tell you that their illnesses have blessed them greatly. Maybe some day after you've had cancer, or a heart attack, or become disabled in some horrific accident, you can come back here and tell us what YOU have been blessed with because of your illness.

1Co 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
1Co 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

 

[Waggles]

4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom;
to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing
by the same Spirit;
10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning
of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
1 Corinthians 12:

27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets,
thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments,
diversities of tongues.
1 Corinthians 12:

14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray
over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up;
and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
James 5:

Hence at every worship meeting we have a prayer line where people
come out to the front for prayer.
I have had many a healing from the prayer line.

Works for us.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Only to the ignorant, simple, and deceived.
The reason for bad things happening to infants and small children is due to the sins of one or both of the parents or grandparents.
Please notice in the parable of the unforgiving servant in Matthew 18 how the sin of the father/husband affected not only the wife but the children as well.

Mat 18:25 But forasmuch as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children, and all that he had, and payment to be made.
Mat 18:32 Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me:
Mat 18:33 Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?
Mat 18:34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.
Mat 18:35 So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.

Also note that the debt God forgave, He revisited. Not only that, but He tacked on tormentors because of the lack of forgiveness toward his fellow servants.

Joh 5:14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.

and here we have a perfect example, yet again, of the ignorance of actual scripture

this dude does not seem to understand he is saying God is bringing punishment on an innocent baby because mom or dad sinned

at any rate, Jesus disagrees with him

1As he went along, he saw a man blind from birth. 2His disciples asked him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?”3“Neither this man nor his parents sinned,” said Jesus, “but this happened so that the works of God might be displayed in him.

4As long as it is day, we must do the works of him who sent me. Night is coming, when no one can work. 5While I am in the world, I am the light of the world.”6After saying this, he spit on the ground, made some mud with the saliva, and put it on the man’s eyes.7“Go,” he told him, “wash in the Pool of Siloam” (this word means “Sent”). So the man went and washed, and came home seeing. John 9

WOF tries to make a case for any scripture that seems to make the case they wish to make, conveniently leaving out anything that might throw different light on their conclusions

you cannot make a doctrine out of an event when another event, with the same formula, states the opposite of the first event

this is typical WOF

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Only to the ignorant, simple, and deceived.
The reason for bad things happening to infants and small children is due to the sins of one or both of the parents or grandparents.
Please notice in the parable of the unforgiving servant in Matthew 18 how the sin of the father/husband affected not only the wife but the children as well.

Mat 18:25 But forasmuch as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children, and all that he had, and payment to be made.
Mat 18:32 Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me:
Mat 18:33 Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?
Mat 18:34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.
Mat 18:35 So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.

Also note that the debt God forgave, He revisited. Not only that, but He tacked on tormentors because of the lack of forgiveness toward his fellow servants.

Joh 5:14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.

I will also make note of the fact that the first parable is speaking about FORGIVENESS NOT sickness

so we have a mashup of two different examples in which the poster tries to connect the dots when the examples are not about the same thing

just take your Bible, pick and choose, and then string your personal examples like popcorn and call anyone who disagrees with this very unsound practice, ignorant, simple and deceived

yes...anyone who disagrees with this...cough cough...great Bible scholar, is ignorant, simple AND deceived

love how the WOFers love to call names

it's one of the finer points of their ability to squeeze out of scripture what only they see

 

[Depleted]

Since Nehemiah cannot fairly agree to disagree he insists on making all my posts about JP or other preachers I've mentioned before that I agree with in certain areas. Nehemiah can't uphold his personal beliefs and force me to bend to them so he finds it easier to condemn me and call me "bewitched" for mine. The only gross error here is his.

Honestly, I hold Neh in low esteem.

That said, you saying you merely "mention" JP here and there is as funny as me saying I only mention Spurgeon here and there.

Neither one of us would be able to find all the sermons/devotionals we do from the guys we like, if we weren't filling up on the guys we like. If you are ashamed of JP than stop posting stuff from him. I'm not ashamed of Spurgeon. I pray I get half as close to the Lord as he got.

 

[Depleted]

I thought posting things and about hyper grace teachers was against the rules?

Read that post closer. They think Calvinism is hypergrace, so it kind of lost its effectiveness.