Is healing promised to the believers?

[heartofdavid]

Peter is a human being, and walked on water, not just Jesus.

I did not say God changed Who He is.

God’s people are in tuned with Him just as much after the gospel as before. And they do judge what is true and false. I do not follow any wind of doctrine- only the New Testament.

I do worship God in spirit and in truth.

Where in scrpture does it say God continues to give the same gifts now as He did in the past?

I know why the gifts were given.

I never said nor believe that the Bible’s only use to us today is as an historical document.

I have been taught, not by men but by the Word itself, and am not in a battle struggling with what I already know.

No,you took a position, then you proceeded to just brush off any responsibility on your part to accept and operate in the gifts and authority God laid up and freely gives to his saints.

Its all still there. I can testify to that.
You have been duped friend. The power is still freely given. You have to pursue it. Ask for it. Same as the book of acts.

 

[heartofdavid]

I mean God not always heal though He able, He focus oN spiritual healing though It may sacrifice physical healing

matt 18:9

9 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.

this verse indicate, for the sake of salvation, God do not mine to make your eyes blind/sick.

In the eyes of God, physicall healing is good, but Nothing compare spiritual healing

Can you show me an example of spiritual healing in the bible?

 

[Jackson123]

I see you have attracted the usual gang of unbelievers who will
attempt to convince you that unbelief is Godly, even a badge of honour.

In your question you use the word 'believers'
herein lies the crux of the problem, for not all believe.

These verses get to the heart of belief and unbelief.
It begins here.
15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel
to every creature.
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not
shall be damned.
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe;
In my name shall they cast out devils;
they shall speak with new tongues;
18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them;
they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven,
and sat on the right hand of God.
20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them,
and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.
Mark 16:

What do "Christians" believe?
That all scripture is true?
That the promises of God are true?
That originally there was only one gospel, one way?
That the indwelling Holy Spirit is the power of God residing within
a disciple?
That healings and miracles are for today as children of our Father in Heaven.

6 And the people with one accord gave heed unto those things which Philip spake,
hearing and seeing the miracles which he did.
7 For unclean spirits, crying with loud voice, came out of many that were possessed
with them: and many taken with palsies, and that were lame, were healed.
8 And there was great joy in that city.
Acts 8:

In my Pentecostal Fellowship we have a 100% rate of miracles and healings.
From small injuries and minor hurts to significant and in some cases fatal
diseases and conditions.
Not everyone is healed instantly and not everyone is healed to full recovery
for that is still a matter of faith and of one's walk with the Lord.
Sometimes even the Spirit-filled saint needs to re-evaluate their approach
to God and faith.
But in my Fellowship miracles and healings are the norm.

You Said your church has 100% healing rate. God raise Lazarus from the death, is your church have 100 % rate in raising the death.?

 

[Jackson123]

Can you show me an example of spiritual healing in the bible?

All sinner are spiritually wound and If he die before accepting Jesus, he also spiritually die

as son as a man accepting Jesus, he is spiritually heal. Paul heal spiritually but he had a torn in his flesh, he pray but God did not heal him

 

[Waggles]

http://miracles.areonthe.net/TESTIM...g, cured overnight through prayer (Paddy).pdf

 

[Waggles]

http://miracles.areonthe.net/TESTIM...eration, Incurable, healed by God (Jim S).pdf

 

[Jackson123]

http://miracles.areonthe.net/TESTIMONY%20Collection/Testimonies%20-%20Main%20Collection/Lungs%20and%20breathing%20-%20asthma,%20bronchiectasis/Lungs%20rapidly%20failing,%20cured%20overnight%20through%20prayer%20(Paddy).pdf

I believe miracle happen. It happen twice in my mom. 1, form ear problem, hardly hear, and instantly heal after a preacher pray, 2, from finger rheumatism.

And I watch oN youtube, hear the story from people in my town, Jesus raised some people in my town from the death( at least 2 person)

but I believe God have better thing than physical health or wealth. I know a Lot f Christian not whealthy and I am a Christian yet I am not wealthy, and most people in my church are not wealthy.

Yes God able to heal and bless us to be billioner, but I do not see billioner in my church.

Not because God not able to make us billioner, oN earth, but God has better blessing then earthly money.

 

[joaniemarie]

I disagree.... I think it is scripturally evident that Paul had some type of physical malady. Many people do think it had something to do with his vision, as he had others do the physical writing of his letters to the churches. He even pointed out that he himself had "signed" one letter, saying "see what large letters I use in signing my name"....

I've noticed a general acceptance of certain interpretations of Scripture about Paul's thorn in the flesh. But there are other places where the phrase "thorn in the flesh" is used and it refers to people being annoying pains in the behind causing persecution (not sickness).

A “thorn in the flesh” is an Old Testament idiom (Num 33:55, Jud 2:3) that refers to persecution, not sickness, while Paul told Timothy to drink fortified wine and avoid the local water so he wouldn’t get “Delhi Belly” when he travelled.


And when the sentences that say the letters were large or he had others help him write.... why would everyone assume that means without a doubt Paul had eye trouble? That is a guesstimation at best since Paul could have just as easily had help in his writings since he was so busy speaking and preaching., why not have help in the writing as many people have secretaries that they dictate letters to and they get typed up.

These are just like so many other generally accepted interpretation in terms that I along with other believers just don't buy into.

 

[Jackson123]

I've noticed a general acceptance of certain interpretations of Scripture about Paul's thorn in the flesh. But there are other places where the phrase "thorn in the flesh" is used and it refers to people being annoying pains in the behind causing persecution (not sickness).

A “thorn in the flesh” is an Old Testament idiom (Num 33:55, Jud 2:3) that refers to persecution, not sickness, while Paul told Timothy to drink fortified wine and avoid the local water so he wouldn’t get “Delhi Belly” when he travelled.


And when the sentences that say the letters were large or he had others help him write.... why would everyone assume that means without a doubt Paul had eye trouble? That is a guesstimation at best since Paul could have just as easily had help in his writings since he was so busy speaking and preaching., why not have help in the writing as many people have secretaries that they dictate letters to and they get typed up.

These are just like so many other generally accepted interpretation in terms that I along with other believers just don't buy into.

some persecution couse pain

some sickness couse pain,

both are simmilar

 

[joaniemarie]

The realty shows that this is a manmade promiss. Where are the believers which have no sickness and I can show you also unbelievers which living a long life in health.
Who says that all belivers will see no sickness in there earthly life is somebody who selling false truth. And selling a promiss which was never given from our father. In Pauls days some of his coworker where sick too. And how all the healed people from the apostolic time died?
In a high age in good health condition. If you want to know why Jesus did all the miracles and healings then read John 20, 30. Our father loves us sick ore not!

Tribulations will come.., sickness will come but the Bible says when they do., we can be healed. And it is not always a complete and total healing but it's usually 10 fold.... 25 fold.... 30 fold.... and on until a complete healing that was prayed and believed for. I believe the ideal is to get to the place where we have a continual walking in divine health that began by first believing the promises in Christ some 10 fold..20...30 90... and grew stronger as the Christian practiced their faith.

There are many testimonies of healing as well as those who are staying healthy by the power of Christ in their lives. Just like we first received Jesus., we are to so walk in Him and claim the promises that are ours in Him.

 

[Jackson123]

Tribulations will come.., sickness will come but the Bible says when they do., we can be healed. And it is not always a complete and total healing but it's usually 10 fold.... 25 fold.... 30 fold.... and on until a complete healing that was prayed and believed for. I believe the ideal is to get to the place where we have a continual walking in divine health that began by first believing the promises in Christ some 10 fold..20...30 90... and grew stronger as the Christian practiced their faith.

There are many testimonies of healing as well as those who are staying healthy by the power of Christ in their lives. Just like we first received Jesus., we are to so walk in Him and claim the promises that are ours in Him.

i believe, in general God want us to be healthy and wealthy

why some Christian not healthy or most Christian not billioner?

because God focus oN soul salvation.

Most billioner not saved, Jesus Said; It is easier for Camel enter the eye of the niddle than rich man to heaven

[h=1]Matthew 19:24King James Version (KJV)[/h]24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

if your wealth make you to hell than God let your poor for the sake of your eternal wealth

if your health drive you to hell than God let you to sick


[h=1]Matthew 18:9King James Version (KJV)[/h]9 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.

 

[joaniemarie]

Our Christian lives are full of day by day progressive learning to be what Christ made us and to so walk in Him. Why do many believers here on this thread expect 100% healing or 100% right at the second you pray a total break through without waiting in faith? We are called to be patient in faith.

We are going to be doing a lot of learning how to wait. And then we will learn how to wait with joyful anticipation. We are told to run with patience the race that is set before us. We will have day to day victories and successes as well as some failures.

The baby learning to walk and talk will not do those things perfectly every time and all the time as he is learning. Trials and tribulations come but they don't have to stay when we learn to resist them. The tribulations are not coming from God. The deliverance comes from God., the tribulations and the thorns in the flesh come from the world... the flesh and the devil.

We are trained by the washing of the water of the Word not by getting beat up with the rod from our Good Shepherd. The Good Shepherd leads He does not drive the sheep from behind yet many Christians have that exact picture. We don't need to have our legs broke in order to learn how to appreciate walking. The Lord does good and not evil to us all the days of our lives.

Psalm 23 doesn't say "The Lord is my Shepherd He breaketh my legs"

 

[mj007]

I believe in instant healing.

The truth is, and Jesus said this 'you are healed'.

Not specifically in reference to the body, which one usually becomes attached to when it is in illness. But spiritually you are already healed. You must always focus on the spirit if you are to be healed. If you focus on the body, you will know illness.

Some people become comfortable with illness, because it is the only way they found to cope with it. But there is always something to learn from dis-ease, and a body which is not at ease.

 

[joaniemarie]

You cannot or should not try and pit scripture against scripture.

No., you should not! I agree and that is why I do not do that.

 

[joaniemarie]

I believe in instant healing.

The truth is, and Jesus said this 'you are healed'.

Not specifically in reference to the body, which one usually becomes attached to when it is in illness. But spiritually you are already healed. You must always focus on the spirit if you are to be healed. If you focus on the body, you will know illness.

Some people become comfortable with illness, because it is the only way they found to cope with it. But there is always something to learn from dis-ease, and a body which is not at ease.

I'm sorry mj007., I need to clarify. Many believe if we are not healed right away than healing is not real and for today. Also many believe if they pray and they don't get the answer right away then praying with expectation is not for them because as many here say "God has not promised healing" But many Christians do believe He does and so much so Jesus paid for it all. Now we acquire it by grace through faith.

 

[Depleted]

You must not have read all I said. I said prayer is still powerful and effective today. I’ve been healed too. But miracles such as turning five loaves of bread into thousands, or raising the dead, or controlling the weather- those types of miracles have ceased.

Amazing, since I've asked the Lord to change the weather for specific events, and he did. The meteorologist said it would rain the next day. It didn't. She said it would snow the next day. It was sunny -- doubly surprising since it was March in Syracuse. (Syracuse averages 200 inches of snow a year.)

And I have posted TWICE about a cardiologist who gave TOD for a heart attack victim, only to hear the Lord tell him a few minutes later, to pray for the man. The cardiologist took 20 minutes before he believed God enough to lay hands on the corpse, and the corpse became a living man again.

You see not, because you don't want to. Still your opinion, even when you change it.

 

[Depleted]

Unfortunately many Christians believe that the tribulation is coming from God Himself and are defeated before they even begin because they attribute to God things that the enemy is doing. The tribulation we get comes from 3 places.... The world...the flesh and the devil. God the Father promises the believer that IN Christ we have been delivered from our enemies and we see it come to pass by faith here.

Not by power nor by might but by MY Spirit says the Lord. Maybe you are not assured but many believers are and walk out their assurance each day. We can count on the promises of God to be ours not because we deserve them but because Jesus paid for them for us. The question is ... are we willing to step out and believe this?

If we don't believe., we won't see. No matter what the promises are if we don't believe we won't see it come to pass. It's just the way God has worked it out to be. Allow Him to take care of us and He will. Insist on taking care of our selves and He will also allow us to do that.

And it's a day by day faith walk journey. He gives us grace for today and that is where we have to walk. If we worry about tomorrow we are not walking in faith TODAY.

Good luck trying to convince the first century Christians that God delivered them from tribulation. I suspect Stephen, Peter, Paul, James, John, and the rest of the gang would have a good laugh.

 

[Depleted]

Truth is the truth whether we see it or not.... Truth stands regardless of our power to see it. That is how it works. So we better make it a point to pray the Holy Spirit shows us the truth and be willing to accept it. And thanks to Jesus we have the opportunity to see truth more and more revealed as we walk in the Spirit by grace through faith. Believing what the Bible says as the Spirit reveals it is the only way to walk or else life will be the pits.

We may have experienced things in our lives that did not give us healing or a solution and to us that is our truth but we must be willing to look away from our ideas and experiences and believe Jesus instead even if it makes no sense in the natural and if it contradicts our prior experiences and beliefs.

We can each match up experience for experience but that is no matter. It's the truth that Jesus gives in the Bible through His Spirit that matters. While I can appreciate what you and your husband have been through., I cannot make it my truth even if that annoys you. Calling me a troll to sooth your anger is not going to help you become a better Christian. It might give you momentary satisfaction to try and zap with your words but in reality it only hurts you.

You really do only see what you want to see, and you see yourself as a victim for your cause. Look up "trolling" in a fishing sense. (Transitive verb.) But, noooo, not to you. It has nothing to do with puttering a boat along with rod and reel set waiting for a fish to come along, because that's not how your martyrdom will have you see it. You're just this brave woman who collects all sorts of insults, even if there was NO insult given to you.

Reality time: You did say your truth might be different than other truth. Given that's a fine example of your "truth," I'll let it speak for itself on how much to trust you with "truth."

I continue to pray for you, because you're very bitter and keep trying to hide it in victimhood. You have yet to understand, the Lord is the victory!

 

[Depleted]

Why is she deceived? Because she interpreted that passage in James to include physical healing? Are you aware how many Christians interpret that verse in that way?

There are many things we still don't fully understand. Just because you interpret a verse in healing differently than she does does not make her deceived.

She is deceived because she thinks God owes her for what she has done. She thinks Man controls God's actions if we do it just right. AND she is trying to teach the naive the same thing. It's called "Word of Faith," a religion that acts Christian but isn't.

Heads up. Check out how long people have been on here. The truth is all three of us have been on this site longer than it appears, because each one of us rebooted back on. (We were here, then we quit, then we returned, with the exception of OldthanNew, who just had a log-in problem so created a new account to get back in. lol) And do consider the possibility that we know each other over the long haul. This wasn't said out of the blue. It was said with experience.

 

[tourist]

Perhaps, but not necessarily in one's lifetime.