Galatians 3:28 and Women

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newton3003

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Galatians 3:28 says, “There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no MALE AND FEMALE, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

Many have used this verse as a justification for recognizing that we are all equal, and as such we all should be treated equally. Jews should be treated no different than non-Jews or Christians, slaves, as such, should be treated no differently than those who preside over them, and women should be treated no differently than men.

Yet the Bible also says, in 1 Corinthians 11:4-5 says, “Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head, but every wife who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head, since it is the same as if her head were shaven.” With respect to
Galatians 3:28, where is the equality in that?

Perhaps the equality envisioned in Galatians 3:28 involves God giving equal consideration to everyone in terms of judging their righteousness. But if that is the case, then the roles of Jews and non-Jews or Christians, slaves, and men and women do not change. That is, each could still be regarded differently than the other in terms of their everyday living on earth, and they would be expected to accept their treatment by others. So, you can have righteous Jews, righteous non-Jews, righteous slaves, righteous free, righteous men and righteous women, but they would be righteous in different ways from eachother.

If we were to accept this, then this passage would have been no help to the civil rights movement in the U.S. in the 60’s, nor would it be of any help to women who want to be equal with men and not treated any differently. It sorta redefines what God could consider as being righteous.

So, it seems that righteousness has no role in how we may treat eachother, at first glance. Regarding women, 1 Corinthians 11 says that a wife’s head should be covered when she prays, but a man’s head should not be covered. There appears to be no basis in the Old Testament for this…there is no commandment or law, and Jesus does not mention whose head should be covered and who shouldn’t. Ironically, the Pope covers his head. Perhaps the covering of one’s head is a measure of earthly subservience among all others.

It would seem, then that it is not up to God regarding whose head should be covered, but it is up to man. Can a man live a righteous life by requiring women to cover themselves? It seems that it is not a matter of righteousness. BUT, could a man be judged to be righteous if he feels that women should be treated no differently, and have no different expectations, than men? Consider the second commandment of Jesus, which is based on Deut. 19:18 and Deut. 19:34…that we should love eachother as we love ourselves. So, men should love women as they do themselves. If a man doesn’t cover his head, then, he shouldn’t expect a woman to cover hers. God will hear a woman’s prayers as much as he will hear a man’s prayers.

Are we really bound, then, by 1 Corinthians 11? It’s in the Bible, but so is the second commandment of Jesus, and so are the Laws of Deut. 19:18 and Deut. 19:34.
 

Joidevivre

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? I admire the people who can follow this without getting a headache.
 

Dino246

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The context speaks of our relationship with God not through the Law, but rather through Christ. Our adoption is not predicated on our ethnicity, economic status, or gender. In the sense of relationship with God, these divisions don't matter. In both the Roman/Greek world and the Jewish culture, this was huge, though perhaps for different reasons in each. I see no support for the idea that each group is righteous in different ways. We are each righteous only in Christ, period.
 
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this is talking about salvation.

there is still israelite and gentile u dont lose ur nationality when u get saved. u dont lose ur gender when u get saved.
 
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this is talking about salvation.

there is still israelite and gentile u dont lose ur nationality when u get saved. u dont lose ur gender when u get saved.
Or your slave status either as some were called servants back in those days.

Ephesians 6:5Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ;

Colossians 3:22Servants, obey in all things your masters according to the flesh; not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but in singleness of heart, fearing God;

1 Timothy 6:1Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honour, that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed.

Titus 2:9Exhort servants to be obedient unto their own masters, and to please them well in all things; not answering again;[SUP]10 [/SUP]Not purloining, but shewing all good fidelity; that they may adorn the doctrine of God our Saviour in all things.[SUP]11 [/SUP]For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,[SUP] 12 [/SUP]Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;[SUP] 13 [/SUP]Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;[SUP] 14 [/SUP]Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.[SUP] 15 [/SUP]These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.

1 Peter 2:[SUP]18 [/SUP]Servants, be subject to your masters with all fear; not only to the good and gentle, but also to the froward.[SUP] 19 [/SUP]For this is thankworthy, if a man for conscience toward God endure grief, suffering wrongfully.[SUP] 20 [/SUP]For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God.[SUP] 21 [/SUP]For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:[SUP] 22 [/SUP]Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:[SUP]23 [/SUP]Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:[SUP] 24 [/SUP]Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.[SUP]25 [/SUP]For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.
 
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Luke 7:38
And stood at his feet behind him weeping, and began to wash his feet with tears, and did wipe them with the hairs of her head, and kissed his feet, and anointed them with the ointment
 

EarsToHear

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Acts 10:34-35

Acts 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

Peter now understands fully what it is that God was trying to tell him through that sheep with all those animals in it. God wants Peter to teach all these people and share the commandments of the Living Word with them. "Call no man (or woman) common or unclean"; if they have a question about the Word, share it with them.

Acts 10:35 But in every nation he that feareth Him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with Him.

In other words, God will accept anyone who will seek Him, and it matters not what race or nation "ethnos" they are from. This is a race matter, and any person from any race that reverse God, and worketh the righteousness of Christ, is acceptable to God. They demonstrate their love for the Father through their love and believe in Jesus Christ the anointed one. When you seek God, He will receive you through His Son Jesus.

Righteousness is to love Jesus, the Son God the Father sent, and to do His commandments, as best as you can. Then when you do accept Christ, you have the full knowledge that your sins are forgiven by the Father. When you fall short again, which you will do, those sins are also forgiven upon your repentance in Jesus name. Just because God has opened salvation to all mankind, God still sticks to His rules set forth in His Holy Word. God knows the intent of your mind, and He knows the sincerity of your heart.
 
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God has an authority structure on earth that applies to the gathering of the saints,Church,and the family.

God,Christ,man,woman,and angels,which angels are last for people will have a higher position in heaven than that of the angels,which they are ministering spirits to the saints,and desire to look in to the salvation of the saints,for the saints will have a glorified body like Christ's glorified body,and rule with Jesus in the millennial reign of Christ.

When the saints come together to worship God,and hear the word of God,it should be a man to take the lead,and when he is done then the saints whether male or female should be able to contribute so that the congregation gets more out of the service than if one person leads it for it is a greater input,which God does not give the preacher more knowledge than any other saint.

In the home life the man should take the lead,but this is according to the will of God,and not his own agenda,so the man has nowhere to glory.

This is so things run smooth.

And the woman having long hair as a covering,and a man having short,for it is a shame for him to have long hair,is so there is a distinction between a man and a woman,for if they do not abide by that then they are putting themselves in the stead of the opposite sex.

But in the Lord,on a spiritual level,there is no difference between a man and a woman,but they are equal,because the only thing that separates a man and a woman is the flesh,the spirit,and soul are the same,and when they put off the flesh,and are in heaven,there is no gender,and do not marry,but are as the angels in heaven who have no gender.

Gender only refers to the flesh,not in the spiritual realm,and apart from the Church where a man should take the lead,and the home,a man should not have any authority above the woman for then they are equal in the Lord.
 

MarcR

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It takes very little observation to determine that there are still physical differences between male and female. With a little more effort we can still observe both physical and cultural differences in both racial and ethnic characteristics.

Therefore Galatians 3:28 must be understood to mean that God God does not show partiality on the basis of gender or or ethnicity. It certainly does not mean that there are no distinctions. If that were the intent then there should be no objection to sharing restrooms and showers (which I DO NOT advocate).
 
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Galatians 3:28 says, “There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no MALE AND FEMALE, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

Many have used this verse as a justification for recognizing that we are all equal, and as such we all should be treated equally. Jews should be treated no different than non-Jews or Christians, slaves, as such, should be treated no differently than those who preside over them, and women should be treated no differently than men.

Yet the Bible also says, in 1 Corinthians 11:4-5 says, “Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head, but every wife who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head, since it is the same as if her head were shaven.” With respect to
Galatians 3:28, where is the equality in that?

Perhaps the equality envisioned in Galatians 3:28 involves God giving equal consideration to everyone in terms of judging their righteousness. But if that is the case, then the roles of Jews and non-Jews or Christians, slaves, and men and women do not change. That is, each could still be regarded differently than the other in terms of their everyday living on earth, and they would be expected to accept their treatment by others. So, you can have righteous Jews, righteous non-Jews, righteous slaves, righteous free, righteous men and righteous women, but they would be righteous in different ways from eachother.

If we were to accept this, then this passage would have been no help to the civil rights movement in the U.S. in the 60’s, nor would it be of any help to women who want to be equal with men and not treated any differently. It sorta redefines what God could consider as being righteous.

So, it seems that righteousness has no role in how we may treat eachother, at first glance. Regarding women, 1 Corinthians 11 says that a wife’s head should be covered when she prays, but a man’s head should not be covered. There appears to be no basis in the Old Testament for this…there is no commandment or law, and Jesus does not mention whose head should be covered and who shouldn’t. Ironically, the Pope covers his head. Perhaps the covering of one’s head is a measure of earthly subservience among all others.

It would seem, then that it is not up to God regarding whose head should be covered, but it is up to man. Can a man live a righteous life by requiring women to cover themselves? It seems that it is not a matter of righteousness. BUT, could a man be judged to be righteous if he feels that women should be treated no differently, and have no different expectations, than men? Consider the second commandment of Jesus, which is based on Deut. 19:18 and Deut. 19:34…that we should love eachother as we love ourselves. So, men should love women as they do themselves. If a man doesn’t cover his head, then, he shouldn’t expect a woman to cover hers. God will hear a woman’s prayers as much as he will hear a man’s prayers.

Are we really bound, then, by 1 Corinthians 11? It’s in the Bible, but so is the second commandment of Jesus, and so are the Laws of Deut. 19:18 and Deut. 19:34.
Think about this while you're at at. In one place Paul said: I give my opinion here. Should that place be considered God breathed scripture? Or the place where he said: I think​ I have the mind of God in this matter...?
 

Innerfire89

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All are equal in value, all have sinned and need the Saviour, but not all have the same role or ability. Men are made one way and women another.
 
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In the home life the man should take the lead,but this is according to the will of God,and not his own agenda,so the man has nowhere to glory.
For now I wish only to address this particular opinion of yours.
Could you give me the verses that have informed your opinion that the man should take the lead in the home (which I understand you to be saying the man should make all final decisions so please correct me if I don't have what you think correctly.)
 

Innerfire89

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Think about this while you're at at. In one place Paul said: I give my opinion here. Should that place be considered God breathed scripture? Or the place where he said: I think​ I have the mind of God in this matter...?
That was Paul's opinion on marriage. Pual felt that those who don't need to be married should stay single so they can put all their focus on God. I know Paul isn't contradicting Scripture and I believe God lead him in that writing.
 
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That was Paul's opinion on marriage. Pual felt that those who don't need to be married should stay single so they can put all their focus on God. I know Paul isn't contradicting Scripture and I believe God lead him in that writing.
I didn't say that he was contradicting scripture. And I didn't say that he wasn't. I asked if the two phrases of a man saying: I give my opinion here and I think I have the mind of God in this matter, should be considered God breathed holy scripture.
 

Innerfire89

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I didn't say that he was contradicting scripture. And I didn't say that he wasn't. I asked if the two phrases of a man saying: I give my opinion here and I think I have the mind of God in this matter, should be considered God breathed holy scripture.
I'm not saying you did. Paul is simply elaborating on what Jesus taught about marriage, that there's only one reason to divorce (I made a mistake a second ago) the context is marriage to unbleivers. Those that are already married to unbleivers shouldn't divorce them. 1 Corinthians 12:16.
 
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I'm not saying you did. Paul is simply elaborating on what Jesus taught about marriage, that there's only one reason to divorce (I made a mistake a second ago) the context is marriage to unbleivers. Those that are already married to unbleivers shouldn't divorce them. 1 Corinthians 12:16.
1 cor 12:16...? I think its more around chapter 8... of 2 cor
 

Nehemiah6

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Galatians 3:28 says, “There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no MALE AND FEMALE, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
What this verse is teaching us is that within the Body of Christ -- the Church -- all are equal. Equally redeemed, equally children of God, equally joint heirs with Christ.

This verse in no way contradicts or contravenes what the Bible says about THE ROLES of men and women in the home and in the local assembly. Why is this so difficult to comprehend (Q)

This verse also does not contradict or contravene the fact that not all Christians will have all the spiritual gifts, and certainly not all will speak in tongues.
 
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Gosh sakes, twice now I forgot to say its nice to meet you innerfire! I don't recall ever speaking with you yet. :)
 

breno785au

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Galatians 3:28 says, “There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no MALE AND FEMALE, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

Many have used this verse as a justification for recognizing that we are all equal, and as such we all should be treated equally. Jews should be treated no different than non-Jews or Christians, slaves, as such, should be treated no differently than those who preside over them, and women should be treated no differently than men.

Yet the Bible also says, in 1 Corinthians 11:4-5 says, “Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head, but every wife who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head, since it is the same as if her head were shaven.” With respect to
Galatians 3:28, where is the equality in that?

Perhaps the equality envisioned in Galatians 3:28 involves God giving equal consideration to everyone in terms of judging their righteousness. But if that is the case, then the roles of Jews and non-Jews or Christians, slaves, and men and women do not change. That is, each could still be regarded differently than the other in terms of their everyday living on earth, and they would be expected to accept their treatment by others. So, you can have righteous Jews, righteous non-Jews, righteous slaves, righteous free, righteous men and righteous women, but they would be righteous in different ways from eachother.

If we were to accept this, then this passage would have been no help to the civil rights movement in the U.S. in the 60’s, nor would it be of any help to women who want to be equal with men and not treated any differently. It sorta redefines what God could consider as being righteous.

So, it seems that righteousness has no role in how we may treat eachother, at first glance. Regarding women, 1 Corinthians 11 says that a wife’s head should be covered when she prays, but a man’s head should not be covered. There appears to be no basis in the Old Testament for this…there is no commandment or law, and Jesus does not mention whose head should be covered and who shouldn’t. Ironically, the Pope covers his head. Perhaps the covering of one’s head is a measure of earthly subservience among all others.

It would seem, then that it is not up to God regarding whose head should be covered, but it is up to man. Can a man live a righteous life by requiring women to cover themselves? It seems that it is not a matter of righteousness. BUT, could a man be judged to be righteous if he feels that women should be treated no differently, and have no different expectations, than men? Consider the second commandment of Jesus, which is based on Deut. 19:18 and Deut. 19:34…that we should love eachother as we love ourselves. So, men should love women as they do themselves. If a man doesn’t cover his head, then, he shouldn’t expect a woman to cover hers. God will hear a woman’s prayers as much as he will hear a man’s prayers.

Are we really bound, then, by 1 Corinthians 11? It’s in the Bible, but so is the second commandment of Jesus, and so are the Laws of Deut. 19:18 and Deut. 19:34.
Remember when Jesus spoke to the woman at the well. She was shocked because He was a Jew speaking to a Samaritan. Cultural norm crushed by Jesus.

Then the disciples return and were shocked to find Him talking to a woman. That's because women and men didn't mingle in public. Another cultural norm crushed by Jesus.

These are some fine examples of what that scripture is talking about.