The Commandments To Keep In Order To Receive the Holy Spirit

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In other words to work on the Sabbath day when we are doing good. He was actually changing the Sabbath law.
The teachings and traditions of the Jews around the 4th commandment where not from God but man made teachings. (context is Matt 12:2; see also Matt 12:10; Mark 2:24; 3:2-4 Luke 6:2; 7-9; 13:10-16 etc.). Jesus taught all what the true meaning of the Sabbath was about.

Actually Jesus did not come to teach us how to keep the Sabbath. Where does He teach that we are to observe it? He took the commandments (which were binding on the Jews) and eased the fourth commandment of the Law. He then pointed out that He was Lord of the Sabbath and therefore had the right to do so.
Why would he need to teach people about the Sabbath when God's people had already been keeping it for over 4000 years when it was given by God at Mt Sanai (Exodus 20:8-11)? That argument really makes no sense. He taught how to keep it correctly (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56Hebrews 1:2; John 1:1-3; 14; Ephesians 3:9; Colossians 1:16-17; Mark 2:27Mark 2:28Hebrews 4James 2:8-121 John 3:4Rev 14:12; Rev 22:14; Eze 20:20Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matt 16:24; 1 Cor 11:1; Eph 5:1-21; Pet 2:20-22Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Rev 1:10)

Yep. looks like a lot of scripture that seems to disagree with your understanding of God's Word and we have not even started talking about all the scripture in the NT that is talking about the 10 commandments which includes the 4th.


James NOWHERE mentions the ten commandments, nor the law of the Sabbath day. It is you who is deceiving yourself. He mentions specifically the moral commandments.
You cannot ignore God's Royal Law it is everywhere you must have missed this...

James 2

8, If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
9, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
12, So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.


The only mention of the Sabbath is in Mark 2.27 when Jesus was under the Law. You would have been more honest to say that God made the creation for all mankind. and was therefore able to give it a new meaning,
God's Word is pretty clear no interpretation needed and we should follow it...........

Mark 2

27, And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
28, Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

or

Matthew 12

8, For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.


Sin is lawlessness? Where is the Sabbath mentioned?
God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11. Sin is the transgression of God's Law (10 commandments).....

James 2
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For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a TRANSGRESSOR OF GOD'S LAW.

Seems James is talking about breaking God's Ten commandments.........

Romans 7
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What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I HAD NOT KNOWN SIN BUT BY THE LAW; for I had not known lust, except the law had said, THOU SHALT NOT COVET.

Well seems like Paul agrees with James that SIN is breaking God's 10 commandments......

1 John 3
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Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF GOD'S LAW.

Yep there it is again seems like James, Paul and John all agree what SIN is.....


Where is the Sabbath mentioned? It is in fact noticeably absent, even in the teaching of Jesus.
Well that is not true at all you must have missed all the scriptures already posted....
(Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56Hebrews 1:2; John 1:1-3; 14; Ephesians 3:9; Colossians 1:16-17; Mark 2:27Mark 2:28Hebrews 4James 2:8-121 John 3:4Rev 14:12; Rev 22:14; Eze 20:20Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matt 16:24; 1 Cor 11:1; Eph 5:1-21; Pet 2:20-22Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Rev 1:10)

you mean they made use of the Sabbath in their preaching? The Lord's day in Revelation 1.10 was not the Sabbath. Note again Acts 20.7 which demonstrates that they observed the first day,
How you interpret Acts 20:7 about the disciples having a meal together as a command that ABOLISHES God's 4th commandment and being a command from God to keep Sunday as a Holy day is beyond me. Good luck trying to use that on the day of Judgement when God asks you why you broke the 4th commandment.

What is the Lord's Day?

Matthew 12
8, For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

Or right it's not Sunday, Jesus says the Lord's Day is the Sabbath day.

Only God's Word is true and we should follow it over the teachings of man that break the commandments of God....

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

Only the BELIEVERS and FOLLOWERS of God's Word will have the right to ENTER into God's Kingdom because they FOLLOW him who loves all because they have FAITH that works by LOVE and LOVE is the FULFILLING of GOD's LAW in those who through FAITH WALK as he walked in the SPIRIT and not in the FLESH.....

REVELATION 22
14, Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.15, For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whore mongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word
 
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Which is what John 14th chapter is about in obeying His commandments to believe in Him in order to receive the promise of the Holy Spirit.

John 15th chapter is about how believers are exhorted and warned to abide in Him as His disciples for it is by Him we can follow Him as He enables us to do His commandments. We can only follow Him after we had been saved by believing in Him.
You are not His Disciple UNTIL you walk 'with Him 24/7' !
Jesus had/has 'many who 'followed Him yet will not be accepted Mat7v21-23 why ?.they are not prepared to walk the extra mile, in order to become just like Him ! they always keep a slight distance and that is why He will say''I never knew you...
 

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But Acts 20.7 was specifically to 'break bread'.
So how many times do you have to be shown by bible verses,
that to 'break bread' was eating a meal ?

Do you ever try to be humble, and study the word to show yourself acceptable?
Or just keep pushing the same idea even when proven wrong by the evidence.
 

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So how many times do you have to be shown by bible verses,
that to 'break bread' was eating a meal ?

Do you ever try to be humble, and study the word to show yourself acceptable?
Or just keep pushing the same idea even when proven wrong by the evidence.
Did you know that in Isaiah it says that the Lord Jesus Christ would MAGNIFY the law?

And the Lord Jesus Christ DOES magnify all the law, except the sabbath law.

With that law He actually relaxes it. Isn't that weird?

I guess not so much when you read Matthew 11:28-30 and Hebrews 4 with understanding....
 

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Hebrews 4 with understanding....
A warning-about entering into His rest.

Heb 4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering
into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.

-how did they came short?

Heb 4:2 For indeed we have had good tidings preached unto us,
even as also they: but the word of hearing did not profit them,
because it was not united by (faith) with them that heard.

-they did not have faith.

Heb 4:3 For we who have believed do enter into that rest;even as
he hath said, As I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest:
although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

Heb 4:4 For he hath said somewhere of the seventh day on this wise,
And God rested on the seventh day from all his works;

-notice entering into that rest is connected with the seventh day.

Heb 4:5 and in this place again, They shall not enter into my rest.
Heb 4:6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some should enter thereinto,
and they to whom the good tidings were before preached


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Heb 4:7 he again defineth a certain day, To-day, saying in David
so long a time afterward (even as hath been said before),
To-day if ye shall hear his voice, Harden not your hearts.

Heb 4:8 For if Joshua had given them rest, he would not have spoken
afterward of another day.

-David said "today" long after Joshua took them into the promised land
so thus proving that there is a rest still to be entered.

Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a sabbath rest for the people of God.
Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest hath himself also rested from his works,
as God did from his. Let us therefore give diligence to enter into that rest,


-A rest remains, but notice the issue is do not disobey.

Heb 9:3 And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holy of holies;
Heb 9:4 having a golden altar of incense, and the ark of the covenant overlaid
round about with gold, wherein was a golden pot holding the manna,
and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant;

-the pot of manna was put in the most Holy

Deu 8:2 And thou shalt remember all the way which Jehovah thy God hath led thee
these forty years in the wilderness, that he might humble thee, to prove thee, to know
what was in thy heart, whether thou wouldest keep his commandments, or not.
Deu 8:3 And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna,
which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know

that man doth not live by bread only, but by everything that proceedeth
out of the mouth of Jehovah doth man live.

Deuteronomy 8:2 (KJV)
And thou shalt remember all the way which the Lord thy God led thee these forty years
in the wilderness, to humble thee, and to prove thee, to know what was in thine heart,
whether thou wouldest keep his commandments, or no.

-God tested them for 40 years to humble them to see what was in their hearts.
that they should live by every word (10 commandments spoken by Gods own mouth)
not by bread alone.

-what did the bread teach?

Exo 16:4 Then said Jehovah unto Moses, Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you;
and the people shall go out and gather a day's portion every day, that I may prove them,
whether they will walk in my law, or not.

Exo 16:5 And it shall come to pass on the sixth day, that they shall prepare that which
they bring in, and it shall be twice as much as they gather daily.

-and how long did God prove them with the manna?

Exo 16:32 And Moses said, This is the thing which Jehovah hath commanded, Let
an omerful of it be kept throughout your generations, that they may see the bread
wherewith I fed you in the wilderness, when I brought you forth from the land of Egypt.

Exo 16:33 And Moses said unto Aaron, Take a pot, and put an omerful of manna therein,
and lay it up before Jehovah, to be kept throughout your generations.

As Jehovah commanded Moses, so Aaron laid it up before the Testimony, to be kept.
And the children of Israel did eat the manna forty years, until they came to a land inhabited;
they did eat the manna, until they came unto the borders of the land of Canaan.

-40 years. this is the issue being spoken of in Hebrews:

Heb 3:16 For who, when they heard, did provoke? nay, did not all they
that came out of Egypt by Moses?

Heb 3:17 And with whom was he displeased forty years?
was it not with them that sinned, whose bodies fell in the wilderness?
Heb 3:18 And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest,
but to them that were disobedient?
Heb 3:19 And we see that they were not able to enter in because of unbelief.

Hebrews 4:4-10 "For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise,
And God did rest the seventh day from all his works [Gen. 2:2-3].

And in this [place again],

If they shall enter into my rest. Seeing therefore it remaineth
that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in
because of unbelief [sound familiar?]: Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David,
To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.

For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
There remaineth therefore a rest [see below] to the people of God. For he that is entered
into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his."

rest (G4520) sabbatismos
1. a keeping sabbath
2. the blessed rest from toils and troubles looked for in the age to come by
the true worshippers of God and true Christians
from a derivative of G4521

(G4521) sabbaton
1. the seventh day of each week which was a sacred festival on which the Israelites
were required to abstain from all work
1a. the institution of the sabbath, the law for keeping holy every seventh day of the week
1b. a single sabbath, sabbath day
2. seven days, a week
of Hebrew origin H7676

(H7676) shabba^th
1. Sabbath
1a. sabbath
1b. day of atonement
1c. sabbath year
1d. week
1e. produce (in sabbath year)
intensive from H7673

(7673) sha^bath
1. to cease, desist, rest
1a. (Qal)
1a-1. to cease
1a-2. to rest, desist (from labour)
1b. (Niphal) to cease
1c. (Hiphil)
1c-1. to cause to cease, put an end to
1c-2. to exterminate, destroy
1c-3. to cause to desist from
1c-4. to remove
1c-5. to cause to fail
2. (Qal) to keep or observe the sabbath
a primitive root


Genesis 2:2-3 "And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made;
and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God
blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from
all his work which God created and made."

The LORD created the seventh day (Sabbath), blessed and sanctified it
"because that in it he had rested from all his work".

-once God has blessed something, can it be undone?

Numbers 23:19-20 "God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man,
that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall
he not make it good? Behold, I have received commandment to bless:

and he hath blessed; and [I cannot reverse it]."

-Here Balaam tells Balak that the LORD gave him a commandment to bless Israel.
He told Balak that what the LORD has blessed, he cannot reverse it.
Do we think we can reverse the blessing the LORD has placed on something?

1 Chronicles 17:26-27 "And now, LORD, thou art God, and hast promised this goodness
unto thy servant: Now therefore let it please thee to bless the house of thy servant, that it may
be before thee for ever: for thou blessest, O LORD, and it shall be blessed for ever."
 
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Did you know that in Isaiah it says that the Lord Jesus Christ would MAGNIFY the law?

And the Lord Jesus Christ DOES magnify all the law, except the sabbath law.

With that law He actually relaxes it. Isn't that weird?

I guess not so much when you read Matthew 11:28-30 and Hebrews 4 with understanding....
He didn't relax it, He broke the pharisees man made Sabbath laws while keeping His Fathers Sabbath Laws...

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 12:12, "And how much more valuable is a man than a sheep? Therefore, it is Lawful to do righteousness on the Sabbath."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mark 3:4, “And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do right on the Sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Isayah 58:11-14, "YHWH will guide you continually, and satisfy your soul in drought, and make fat; (strengthen), your bones. You will be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters do not fail. And those of you will rebuild the old waste places; you will raise up the foundations of many generations; and you will be called the Repairer of the Breach, the Restorer of Streets to Dwell In; If you turn away your foot from breaking the Sabbath: from doing your pleasure; your own business, your own pleasure, on My holy day, and call the Sabbath a delight; the holy day of YHWH honorable, and will honor Him by not doing your own ways, nor finding your own pleasure, nor engaging in idle conversation: Then you will find your joy in YHWH; and I will cause you to ride on the high places of the earth, and feed you with the heritage of Yaaqob your father, for the mouth of YHWH has spoken it."[/FONT]


why can the priests "profane" the Sabbath? because they are doing the will ofYHWH on that day...


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 15:3-9, “But He answering, said to them, “Why do you also transgress the command of YHWH because of your tradition? For YHWH has commanded, saying, ‘Respect your father and your mother,’ ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me has been dedicated, is certainly released from respecting his father or mother.’ So you have nullified the command of YHWH by your tradition."Hypocrites! Well did Isayah (29:13-14*) prophesy of you, saying: These people draw near to Me with their mouth and honor Me with their lips, but have removed their hearts far from Me. But in vain they do worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men." [/FONT]
 

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If any one was applying His commandments in John 14:15 below to mean also keeping the sabbath day as well as everything He had taught, then how can any one get the promise of the Holy Spirit when you have to keep on keeping it in order to receive that promise at your salvation?

John 14:[SUP]15 [/SUP]If ye love me, keep my commandments.[SUP] 16 [/SUP]And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;[SUP] 17 [/SUP]Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

If you read from the beginning of that chapter, then you can see what that commandment is that He is repeating over and over again to receive the promise of the Holy Spirit at your salvation.

John 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me....[SUP]10 [/SUP]Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.[SUP]11[/SUP]Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake. [SUP]12 [/SUP]Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me,...

In context, Jesus is not talking about all His commmandments in order to receive the promise of the Holy Spirit, but the repeated commandment to believe in Him at one time in order to receive the promise of the Holy Spirit at your salvation.
What shall we do?

Acts 2:38, "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."

Seems simple enough to me.
 

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If any one was applying His commandments in John 14:15 below to mean also keeping the sabbath day as well as everything He had taught, then how can any one get the promise of the Holy Spirit when you have to keep on keeping it in order to receive that promise at your salvation?

John 14:[SUP]15 [/SUP]If ye love me, keep my commandments.[SUP] 16 [/SUP]And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;[SUP] 17 [/SUP]Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

If you read from the beginning of that chapter, then you can see what that commandment is that He is repeating over and over again to receive the promise of the Holy Spirit at your salvation.

John 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me....[SUP]10 [/SUP]Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.[SUP]11[/SUP]Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake. [SUP]12 [/SUP]Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me,...

In context, Jesus is not talking about all His commmandments in order to receive the promise of the Holy Spirit, but the repeated commandment to believe in Him at one time in order to receive the promise of the Holy Spirit at your salvation.
Repentance is the first step towards God , without repentance God can't use the vessel unto honor. He will not give the individual the Holy Spirit if they continue living in the carnal flesh.

Act 20:21 Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.


2 Corinthians 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.


Shalom
 

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If any one was applying His commandments in John 14:15 below to mean also keeping the sabbath day as well as everything He had taught, then how can any one get the promise of the Holy Spirit when you have to keep on keeping it in order to receive that promise at your salvation?

John 14:[SUP]15 [/SUP]If ye love me, keep my commandments.[SUP] 16 [/SUP]And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;[SUP] 17 [/SUP]Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

If you read from the beginning of that chapter, then you can see what that commandment is that He is repeating over and over again to receive the promise of the Holy Spirit at your salvation.

John 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me....[SUP]10 [/SUP]Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.[SUP]11[/SUP]Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake. [SUP]12 [/SUP]Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me,...

In context, Jesus is not talking about all His commmandments in order to receive the promise of the Holy Spirit, but the repeated commandment to believe in Him at one time in order to receive the promise of the Holy Spirit at your salvation.


Keep the two and you will never brake the 10, He has always desired a relationship with us.

Deuteronomy 6:5 “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your might.”


Leviticus 19:18 “You shall not take vengeance or bear a grudge against the sons of your own people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the Lord.”

Hosea 6:5-6 “Therefore I have hewn them by the prophets; I have slain them by the words of my mouth, and my judgment goes forth as the light.6 For I desire steadfast love and not sacrifice, the knowledge of God rather than burnt offerings.”

The Lord has always desired a relationship with us, Jesus when asked what is the greatest commandment in the Law.

Matthew 22:34-40 “But when the Pharisees heard that he had silenced the Sadducees, they gathered together.
35 And one of them, a lawyer, asked him a question to test him.36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?”37 And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.38 This is the great and first commandment.39 And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself.40 On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”
 
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let's see now

when we are saved, we receive the Holy Spirit as a seal of our inheritance

if we were sinners before and accept Christ as our Savior, it seems the logical conclusion is that we do not obey anything save God's call to repent and agree with His plan of salvation

as only God can restore us and fill us with His Spirit and the commandments were never given for salvation in the first place, how is it someone is asking what commandments to obey in order to receive the Holy Spirit?

why not ask what commandments we need to obey in order to be saved?

the answer to both questions would be none