The Commandments To Keep In Order To Receive the Holy Spirit

Enow · Nov 18, 2017

If any one was applying His commandments in John 14:15 below to mean also keeping the sabbath day as well as everything He had taught, then how can any one get the promise of the Holy Spirit when you have to keep on keeping it in order to receive that promise at your salvation?

John 14:[SUP]15 [/SUP]If ye love me, keep my commandments.[SUP] 16 [/SUP]And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;[SUP] 17 [/SUP]Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

If you read from the beginning of that chapter, then you can see what that commandment is that He is repeating over and over again to receive the promise of the Holy Spirit at your salvation.

John 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me....[SUP]10 [/SUP]Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.[SUP]11[/SUP]Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake. [SUP]12 [/SUP]Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me,...

In context, Jesus is not talking about all His commmandments in order to receive the promise of the Holy Spirit, but the repeated commandment to believe in Him at one time in order to receive the promise of the Holy Spirit at your salvation.

Hizikyah · Nov 18, 2017

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Yahanan /John 2:3-7, “And by this we know that we know Him, if we guard His commands. The one who says, “I know Him,” and does not guard His commands, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever guards His Word, truly the love of Yah has been perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. The one who says he stays in Him ought himself also to walk, even as He walked. Beloved, I write no fresh command to you, but an old command which you have had from the beginning. The old command is the Word which you heard from the beginning.”[/FONT]

1 John 3:24, “And the one guarding His commands stays in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He stays in us, by the Spirit which He gave us.”

Ezekiel 36:26-28, "A new heart, will I also give you, and a new spirit will I put within you; and I will take away the heart of stone out of your flesh, and will give you a heart of flesh. I will put My Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments, and do them. And you will dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and you will be My people, and I will be your Father."

Zechariah 7:11-13, "But they refused to pay any attention--they turned a stubborn shoulder, and they stopped their ears so they would not be able to hear. Yes, they made their hearts like a hard adamant stone, in order not to hear the Law and the words, which YHWH of hosts had sent by His Spirit through the former prophets. Therefore, great wrath came from YHWH of hosts. Just as I called, and they would not hear, so they called, and I would not hear, says YHWH of hosts!"

Ezekiel 11:19-21, “And I shall give them one heart, and put a new spirit within you. And I shall take the stony heart out of their flesh, and give them a heart of flesh, so that they walk in My laws, and guard My right-rulings, and shall do them. And they shall be My people and I shall be their Strength. But to those whose hearts walk after the heart of their disgusting matters and their abominations, I shall recompense their deeds on their own heads,” declares the Master יהוה.”

Jeremiah 31:33, "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israyl: After those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law (Torah/Instructions) in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and I will be their Strength, and they will be My people."

Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.”
Romans 7 -

7 What? Can anyone therefore say that the Law is sin? No! By no means! But to the contrary, I did not know sin; transgression of the Law, except through the Law, for I did not know lust, unless the Law had said: Do not covet.
12 Therefore the Law is holy, and the commandments are holy, and just, and righteous.
13 Did that which is righteous, then, become death to me? By no means! But in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it produced death in me through that which was righteous, so that through the commandments, sin might become utterly sinful.
14 For we know that the Law is spiritual; but I was carnal, sold into the power of sin*.

Romans 8:5-8, "For those who live according to the flesh, set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit, set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against; (bitterly opposed to), YHWH; for it is not subject to the Law of YHWH, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please YHWH."

John/Yahanan 15:5-16, "I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, produces much fruit; but without Me, you can do nothing. If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away like a branch, and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. If you abide in Me, and letting My words; abide in you, you will ask what you will, and it will be done for you. In this is My Father glorified: when you produce much fruit; and in this way you become My disciples. Just as the Father has loved Me, so have I loved you; continue in My love. If you keep My Commands, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father's Commands, and abide in His love. These things I have spoken to you, that My joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be complete. This is My Command: Love one another as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this: that one would lay down his life on behalf of his brothers. You are My brothers, if you do whatever I command you."

Romans 7:25, “Thanks be to YHWH, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of YHWH, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin.”

MattforJesus · Nov 18, 2017

When we confess Christ,and repent of our sins,then we will receive the Holy Spirit for we are a clean vessel.

We would not have to keep the commandments yet,and that is why we are saved by faith,and not by works,for that is all we can do is have faith,and believe.

Then after we receive the Spirit then we want to keep the commandments of loving people.

A person will not receive the Spirit until they properly repent of their sins,turning away from sins,and not wanting sin in their life,which some people will not get the Spirit right away but later on when they properly repent of their sins.

But some never properly repent of their sins,and receive the Spirit,which the Bible says they have a form of godliness,but deny the power thereof,ever learning but never able to come to the knowledge of the truth,for they did not repent properly of their sins,and held unto sin,but thought they were alright despite their sins.

All we have to do is have faith,and believe on Christ,to receive the Spirit,for we have not begun yet to obey Jesus' commandments,for we are a sinner when we come to Christ.

prove-all · Nov 18, 2017

The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom:
a good understanding have all they that do his commandments:
his praise endureth for ever. Psalms 111:10

Dino246 · Nov 18, 2017

Prior to this thread, I have never come across the idea that we need to keep particular commandments in order to receive the Holy Spirit. It seems to me that the OP is making an issue where none exists.

tanakh · Nov 18, 2017

One of the main teachings of Paul was that it is impossible for us to keep Gods commandments. The whole point of Christs death and resurrection was to fulfill the whole of the Law on our behalf. Otherwise what would be the point of his sacrifice? What would be the point of the New Covenant? Those who insist that the Mosaic Law should be fulfilled are never seen slaughtering Sheep and Cattle to cover their sin are they? So how do they deal with theirs if its not faith in the finished work of Christ?

Enow · Nov 18, 2017

Hizikyah said:

1 Yahanan /John 2:3-7, “And by this we know that we know Him, if we guard His commands. The one who says, “I know Him,” and does not guard His commands, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever guards His Word, truly the love of Yah has been perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. The one who says he stays in Him ought himself also to walk, even as He walked. Beloved, I write no fresh command to you, but an old command which you have had from the beginning. The old command is the Word which you heard from the beginning.”

1 John 3:24, “And the one guarding His commands stays in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He stays in us, by the Spirit which He gave us.”

Ezekiel 36:26-28, "A new heart, will I also give you, and a new spirit will I put within you; and I will take away the heart of stone out of your flesh, and will give you a heart of flesh. I will put My Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments, and do them. And you will dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and you will be My people, and I will be your Father."

Zechariah 7:11-13, "But they refused to pay any attention--they turned a stubborn shoulder, and they stopped their ears so they would not be able to hear. Yes, they made their hearts like a hard adamant stone, in order not to hear the Law and the words, which YHWH of hosts had sent by His Spirit through the former prophets. Therefore, great wrath came from YHWH of hosts. Just as I called, and they would not hear, so they called, and I would not hear, says YHWH of hosts!"

Ezekiel 11:19-21, “And I shall give them one heart, and put a new spirit within you. And I shall take the stony heart out of their flesh, and give them a heart of flesh, so that they walk in My laws, and guard My right-rulings, and shall do them. And they shall be My people and I shall be their Strength. But to those whose hearts walk after the heart of their disgusting matters and their abominations, I shall recompense their deeds on their own heads,” declares the Master יהוה.”

Jeremiah 31:33, "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israyl: After those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law (Torah/Instructions) in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and I will be their Strength, and they will be My people."

Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.”
Romans 7 -

7 What? Can anyone therefore say that the Law is sin? No! By no means! But to the contrary, I did not know sin; transgression of the Law, except through the Law, for I did not know lust, unless the Law had said: Do not covet.
12 Therefore the Law is holy, and the commandments are holy, and just, and righteous.
13 Did that which is righteous, then, become death to me? By no means! But in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it produced death in me through that which was righteous, so that through the commandments, sin might become utterly sinful.
14 For we know that the Law is spiritual; but I was carnal, sold into the power of sin*.

Romans 8:5-8, "For those who live according to the flesh, set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit, set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against; (bitterly opposed to), YHWH; for it is not subject to the Law of YHWH, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please YHWH."

John/Yahanan 15:5-16, "I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, produces much fruit; but without Me, you can do nothing. If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away like a branch, and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. If you abide in Me, and letting My words; abide in you, you will ask what you will, and it will be done for you. In this is My Father glorified: when you produce much fruit; and in this way you become My disciples. Just as the Father has loved Me, so have I loved you; continue in My love. If you keep My Commands, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father's Commands, and abide in His love. These things I have spoken to you, that My joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be complete. This is My Command: Love one another as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this: that one would lay down his life on behalf of his brothers. You are My brothers, if you do whatever I command you."

Romans 7:25, “Thanks be to YHWH, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of YHWH, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin.”

So when are you going to receive the promise of the Holy Spirit at your salvation when doing all those commandments requires going beyond believing in Him to be saved as you are contending one must keep His commandments and THEN you receive the promise? That means never sinning ever again if you take Hos commandments in John 14:15 to mean everything He has taught.

As for the commandments ib John 15th chapter, Jesus is talking about discipleship; of continuing to abide in Him so that our joy may be full. That is not about the commandments to believe in Him in order to be saved and thus received the promise of the Holy Spirit at your salvation.

You need to have Him in you at your salvation so you can live as His as the sons of God by faith in Him as our Good Shepherd; not by doing the best you can in keeping all His commandments. Epic fail if there ever was one since His standard are higher than the works of the law that the Jews could not do.

Enow · Nov 18, 2017

MattforJesus said:

In any gospel presentation in the Book of Acts, there has been no call to repent from all sins in order to believe in Him to be saved. It has always been a call to repent from unbelief by believing in Him to be saved. Then believers have power with Jesus Christ in us to live as His, the sons of God, where relying on Him all the time as our Good Shepherd to help us lay aside every weight & sin in following Him as His disciples.

Enow · Nov 18, 2017

prove-all said:

And believing in Him are the commandments we had done in order to receive the promise of the Holy Spirit.

By Him dwelling within us, now we can trust Jesus Christ as our Good Shepherd to help us to follow Him by relying on Him all the time for living as His. That is how we get to know Him and the power of His resurrection when we rest in Him to enable us to follow Him as His disciples. That is why it is written that the just shall live by faith... in Him & all His promises to us.

Enow · Nov 18, 2017

tanakh said:

Which is what John 14th chapter is about in obeying His commandments to believe in Him in order to receive the promise of the Holy Spirit.

John 15th chapter is about how believers are exhorted and warned to abide in Him as His disciples for it is by Him we can follow Him as He enables us to do His commandments. We can only follow Him after we had been saved by believing in Him.

LoveGodForever · Nov 18, 2017

Enow said:

Actually that is not correct. You had it right the first time but let's look at the scriptures................

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Many do this however out of ignorance because they have not received a knowledge of the truth from God's Word or trust in the teachings and traditions of men that they learn from websites or the mainstream religious teachers of the day instead of studying God's Word for themselves.

When there is no knowledge of the truth God does not hold you accountable until the truth has been shared with you.If you are living up to all the truth God has revealed to you then you are still God's children because you BELIEVE God's Word. If however you have been given a knowledge of the truth and you reject it without asking God then you now have become an UNBELIEVER.
Some scriptures that are important..........

Acts 17
30, And the TIMES OF IGNORANCE GOD WINKS AT; BUT NOW <When a KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH comes> COMMANDS ALL MEN EVERYWHERE TO REPENT:
31, Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

and again...............

James 4
17, THEREFORE TO HIM THE KNOWS TO DO GOOD AND DOES IT NOT TO HIM IT IS SIN.

When a KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH is shared with someone however and they do not BELIEVE it or ACCEPT it they are NO Longer a BELIEVER because they hare not BELIEVED the Word of God therefore are still in their SINS because they have NOT accepted the GIFT of God's dear son and these scriptures are now a WARNING........

Hebrews 10:26-27
26, For IF WE SIN WILLFULLY AFTER THAT WE RECEIVE A KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH, THERE REMAINS NO MORE SACRIFICE FOR SINS,
27, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

SIN will keep you out of God's Kingdom so the call goes forth from God's Word REPENT for the KINGDOM of HEAVEN is at hand. We only have today to choose who we will follow. The teachings and traditions of man or the Word of God?

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) and like any of the ten, if we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

If someone commits SIN they are BREAKING GOD'S LAW (10 commandments) correct (James 2:11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Romans 3:20)?

Now, if one knowingly murders another when God has asked them not to, and continues to murder people and are unrepentant for their actions of rebellion against God are they in a saved state before God or an unsaved state? (Hebrews 10:26-27; Hebrews 6:4-8; Romans 6:23)

Is the 4th commandment one of the ten? (Exodus 20:8-11)

So let's put it all together..........................

The 4th commandment (Remembering and keeping the 7th Day Sabbath as a Holy day) is one of the 10 commandments. If we knowingly break it just like any of the other ten then we stand GUILTY BEFORE God of committing SIN (James 2:8-11).

If we continue in UNREPENTANT SIN not seeking GOD'S FORGIVENESS bringing forth the FRUIT of REPENTANCE then we are still in OUR SINS because we have rejected the GIFT of God's dear son.

If we are still in our SINS we are not in a SAVED STATE before God and will NOT ENTER the Kingdom of Heaven. So yest the FOCUS here is about SIN keeping you OUT of God's Kingdom because if our FAITH does not have the FRUIT of OBEDIENCE then we do not have the FAITH that works by LOVE that ENTERS GOD'S Kingdom by the operation of God.

Hope this is helpful in your study of God's Word.

Enow · Nov 18, 2017

LoveGodForever said:

Actually that is not correct. You had it right the first time but let's look at the scriptures................

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Many do this however out of ignorance because they have not received a knowledge of the truth from God's Word or trust in the teachings and traditions of men that they learn from websites or the mainstream religious teachers of the day instead of studying God's Word for themselves.

When there is no knowledge of the truth God does not hold you accountable until the truth has been shared with you.If you are living up to all the truth God has revealed to you then you are still God's children because you BELIEVE God's Word. If however you have been given a knowledge of the truth and you reject it without asking God then you now have become an UNBELIEVER.
Some scriptures that are important..........

Acts 17
30, And the TIMES OF IGNORANCE GOD WINKS AT; BUT NOW <When a KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH comes> COMMANDS ALL MEN EVERYWHERE TO REPENT:
31, Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

and again...............

James 4
17, THEREFORE TO HIM THE KNOWS TO DO GOOD AND DOES IT NOT TO HIM IT IS SIN.

When a KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH is shared with someone however and they do not BELIEVE it or ACCEPT it they are NO Longer a BELIEVER because they hare not BELIEVED the Word of God therefore are still in their SINS because they have NOT accepted the GIFT of God's dear son and these scriptures are now a WARNING........

Hebrews 10:26-27
26, For IF WE SIN WILLFULLY AFTER THAT WE RECEIVE A KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH, THERE REMAINS NO MORE SACRIFICE FOR SINS,
27, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

SIN will keep you out of God's Kingdom so the call goes forth from God's Word REPENT for the KINGDOM of HEAVEN is at hand. We only have today to choose who we will follow. The teachings and traditions of man or the Word of God?

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) and like any of the ten, if we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

If someone commits SIN they are BREAKING GOD'S LAW (10 commandments) correct (James 2:11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Romans 3:20)?

Now, if one knowingly murders another when God has asked them not to, and continues to murder people and are unrepentant for their actions of rebellion against God are they in a saved state before God or an unsaved state? (Hebrews 10:26-27; Hebrews 6:4-8; Romans 6:23)

Is the 4th commandment one of the ten? (Exodus 20:8-11)

So let's put it all together..........................

The 4th commandment (Remembering and keeping the 7th Day Sabbath as a Holy day) is one of the 10 commandments. If we knowingly break it just like any of the other ten then we stand GUILTY BEFORE God of committing SIN (James 2:8-11).

If we continue in UNREPENTANT SIN not seeking GOD'S FORGIVENESS bringing forth the FRUIT of REPENTANCE then we are still in OUR SINS because we have rejected the GIFT of God's dear son.

If we are still in our SINS we are not in a SAVED STATE before God and will NOT ENTER the Kingdom of Heaven. So yest the FOCUS here is about SIN keeping you OUT of God's Kingdom because if our FAITH does not have the FRUIT of OBEDIENCE then we do not have the FAITH that works by LOVE that ENTERS GOD'S Kingdom by the operation of God.

Hope this is helpful in your study of God's Word.

Matthew 12:1-7 has Jesus explaining why His disciples were blameless for profaning the sabbath day because He was with them. That is why you & I are blameless for profaning the sabbath day because Jesus Christ is in us. Jesus Christ is Lord of the Sabbath and not the sabbath day lord over Him.

seed_time_harvest · Nov 18, 2017

Enow said:

If any one was applying His commandments in John 14:15 below to mean also keeping the sabbath day as well as everything He had taught, then how can any one get the promise of the Holy Spirit when you have to keep on keeping it in order to receive that promise at your salvation?

John 14:[SUP]15 [/SUP]If ye love me, keep my commandments.[SUP] 16 [/SUP]And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;[SUP] 17 [/SUP]Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

If you read from the beginning of that chapter, then you can see what that commandment is that He is repeating over and over again to receive the promise of the Holy Spirit at your salvation.

John 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me....[SUP]10 [/SUP]Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.[SUP]11[/SUP]Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake. [SUP]12 [/SUP]Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me,...

In context, Jesus is not talking about all His commmandments in order to receive the promise of the Holy Spirit, but the repeated commandment to believe in Him at one time in order to receive the promise of the Holy Spirit at your salvation.

There are no ten commandments that a person can keep, under Grace though we keep the two commandments automatically(establishing the law) and we keep those because GOD First loved us.

LoveGodForever · Nov 18, 2017

Enow said:

WHAT DID JESUS TEACH ABOUT THE 4th COMMANDMENT?

The Jews had placed so many restrictions and on the Sabbath that it had become a burden to the people (context is Matt 12:2; see also Matt 12:10; Mark 2:24; 3:2-4 Luke 6:2; 7-9; 13:10-16 etc.) Then in Matt 12:10-12 in the same chapter Jesus goes on to say it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath! Jesus came to teach us how to keep the Sabbath and it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath (Mark 3:4; Luke 6:9) and is why Jesus says that the Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath (Mark 2:27). This is why God’s Word says If anyone is knowingly and wilfully breaking any of the 10 commandments, including the 7th Day Sabbath you are deceiving yourself and not obeying or following God (James 2:8-12).

What did Jesus and the Apostles teach about the Sabbath in the New Testament……….

1. It is lawful to do good on the Sabbath (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56)
2. Jesus made the Sabbath for all mankind (Hebrews 1:2; John 1:1-3; 14; Ephesians 3:9; Colossians 1:16-17; Mark 2:27)
3. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath (Mark 2:28)
4. If you do not believe and follow God you cannot enter His Sabbath rest (Hebrews 4)
5. It is one of God’s 10 commandments we break it we are guilty or breaking all (James 2:8-12)
6. Breaking it is sin (1 John 3:4)
7. God’s true followers keep it Holy as God commanded (Rev 14:12; Rev 22:14; Eze 20:20)
8. Jesus is our example and he kept the Sabbath (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matt 16:24; 1 Cor 11:1; Eph 5:1-21; Pet 2:20-22)
9. The Apostle kept the Sabbath (Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Rev 1:10)

God’s Law in the NC is written on our hearts it is through love and it is love the fulfils God’s Law in us as we walk not after the flesh but after the spirit and is why Jesus says f you love me keep my commandments. (John 14:15; John 15:10). If we knowingly break one of God’s commandments we commit sin (1 John 3:4). This includes the 7th Day Sabbath which Jesus made for us and commands us to keep as a holy day.

God's Law (10 commandments) in the New Testament

1 You shall have no other gods before Me.
It is written: You shall worship the Lord your God and Him only you shall serve. (Luke 4:8; Matthew 4:10; Revelation 14:7)

2 You must not make for yourself a carved image, a likeness of anything in heaven, on earth, or under the sea.
God is Spirit and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth. (John 4:24; Acts 15:20; 1 Corinthians 6:9; Ephesians 5:5; 1 Peter 4:3; 1 John 5:21; Revelation 2:14)

3 You shall not take the Name of the Lord your God in vain.
(1 Timothy 6:1, James 2:7)

4 Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
The Sabbath [seventh day] was made for man, not man for the Sabbath, so the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath. (Mark 2:27-28, Hebrews 4; Matthew 12:8; Matthew 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56(Mark 2:28; Matthew 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matthew 16:24; 1 Corinthians 11:1; Ephesians 5:1-21; 1 Peter 2:20-22; Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Revelations 1:10 Is binding on all mankind today COL 2:14-17 THE REAL TRUTH THREAD (Linked)

5 Honour your father and mother.
Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. (Ephesians 6:1; Colossians 3:20; Matthew 15:4; Matthew 19:19)

6 You shall not murder.
I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. (Matthew 5:44-45; Matt. 5:21-26; Romans 13:9; 1 Timothy 1:9; 1 John 3:15; James 2:11; Matthew 19:18)

7 You shall not commit adultery.
I say to you whoever even looks at another in lust has already committed adultery in their heart. (Matthew 5:28, 1 Cor. 5:11, 1 Cor. 6:18, Galatians 5:19, Hebrews 13:4, James 2:11, Matthew 19:19, Romans 13:9)

8 You shall not steal.
Neither thieves, the greedy, or drunkards and robbers will inherit the Kingdom. (1 Corinthians 6:10, Romans 2:21, Mark 7:21, Ephesians 4:28, Romans 13:9, Matthew 19:18)

9 You shall not bear false witness.
For by your words, you will be justified and by your words you will be condemned. (Matthew 15:19, Ephesians 4:25, Col. 3:9; Matthew 19:18, Romans 13:9)

10 You shall not covet your neighbours possessions.
Take heed and beware of covetousness, for one’s life does not consist of the things he possesses. (Luke 12:15, Romans 7:7, Ephesians 5:3, 1 Tim. 6:10, Hebrews 13:5, Romans 13:9)

There is a lot of scriptures here and we have not even looked at all the scriptures in the NT on the 10 commandments on which the 4th commandment is one of the ten.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.

valiant · Nov 18, 2017

LoveGodForever said:

So you consider that Paul and the early church followed the teaching and tradition of men? Acts 20.7 says, 'On the FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK when we were gathered together to break bread' which was followed by Paul preaching to them. In other words Sunday worship was an Apostolic institution. It has NOT led many to break the commandments of God, it has led them to keep them.

What He actually says there is that if we manipulate THEM to suit our own ideas we bring our guilt on our own heads. That is precisely what YOU are doing.

Acts 20.7 is which? Personally I think it is studying God's word for ourselves.

so that makes you an UNBELIEVER?

LoveGodForever · Nov 18, 2017

seed_time_harvest said:

YOU CANNOT SEPARATE LOVE FROM GOD'S TEN COMMANDMENTS

You cannot separate God’s Law of love from the 10 commandments because they are connected to each other. There is no need for confusion here. God’s Word makes it very clear.

Let's have a look................................................

What does Jesus say when he talk about the commandments. Jesus is quoting from Old testament scriptures of Deuteronomy 6:5 and Leviticus 19:18.................

Matthew 22
36, Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37, Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38, This is the first and great commandment.
39, And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40, ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS.

Let's get clearer......................................................

Matthew 19
16, And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17, And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: BUT IF YOU WILL ENTER INTO LIFE KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS.
18, He saith unto him, WHICH? JESUS SAID, THOU SHALT NOT MURDER, THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, THOU SHALT NOT STEAL, THOU SHALT NOT LIE, HONOR YOU MOTHER AND FATHER AND THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF
20, The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet? 21, Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. <Jesus showed him that he may have fulfilled His duty of love to his neighbor but not to God breaking commandment 1 and 2 loving riches more than God>

Well Jesus makes it very clear that what he is talking about it is the 10 commandments of God's Law.

What about James................................................................

James 2
8, If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF, ye do well:
9, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10, FOR WHOSOEVER SHALL KEEP THE WHOLE LAW AND YET OFFEND IN ONE POINT, HE SHALL BE GUILTY OF ALL.
11, FOR HE THAT SAID, DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY SAID ALSO DO NOT KILL. NOW IF YOU DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY AND YOU KILL, YOU HAVE BECOME A TRANSGRESSOR OF GOD'S LAW.
12, So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

Well James makes it very clear what he is talking about when he talks about the Royal Law of love. He is talking about the 10 commandments. So Jesus and James both agree that they are talking about God's 10 commandments which also include the 4th commandment which is one of the ten.

What about Paul? He wrote a lot of books in God's Word...........................

Romans 13
8, Owe no man any thing, but to LOVE ONE ANOTHER: for HE THAT LOVES ANOTHER HAS FULFILLED THE LAW.
9, For this, THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, THOU SHALT NOT KILL, THOU SHALT NOT STEAL, THOU SHALT NOT LIE, THOU SHALT NOT COVET; and IF THERE SHALL BE ANY OTHER COMMANDMENT, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF.
10, Love works no ill to his neighbour: therefore LOVE IS THE FULFILLING OF THE LAW.

Paul makes it very clear what he is talking about as well when he is talking about God's Law. It seems like Jesus, James and Paul all agree together what it is they are referring to when talking about God's Law. They are all referring to God's 10 commandments which includes the 4th commandment which is one of the ten (Exodus 20:1-17)

So now that God's Word shows us what it is referring to. No need to guess, what are talking about, God’s Law of Love is God's 10 commandments. It is only through Faith that works by love that anyone can walk in the Spirit which produces the fruit of obedience because love is the fulfilling of God’s Law in those that walk by faith and not by sight.

In times of ignorance God winks at but now calls all men everywhere to repent (Acts 17:30-31). God's Word says if we break one of the ten we stand guilty before God of breaking all the commandments of God (James 2:8-12). God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) and if we break it like any of the other commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN (Exodus 20:1-17).

If we break any of God’s Laws we stand guilty before God in SIN (James 2:11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Romans 3:20). This includes the 4th commandment which is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God (Hebrews 10:26-27; 31)

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.

LoveGodForever · Nov 18, 2017

valiant said:

Paul and the disciples did meet on different days of the week for different reasons. There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th commandment has now been ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

Jesus and the disciples kept the 4th commandment just like God asked them the same as he asks us to today. If Jesus and the disciples kept the 4th commandment and breaking any of the commandments is SIN we should believe the Word of God over the teachings and traditions of man that break the commandments of God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Jesus and the Apostles kept the Sabbath and followed God's Word and so should we.....

1. It is lawful to do good on the Sabbath (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56)
2. Jesus made the Sabbath for all mankind (Hebrews 1:2; John 1:1-3; 14; Ephesians 3:9; Colossians 1:16-17; Mark 2:27)
3. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath (Mark 2:28)
4. If you do not believe and follow God you cannot enter His Sabbath rest (Hebrews 4)
5. It is one of God’s 10 commandments we break it we are guilty or breaking all (James 2:8-12)
6. Breaking it is sin (1 John 3:4)
7. God’s true followers keep it Holy as God commanded (Rev 14:12; Rev 22:14; Eze 20:20)
8. Jesus is our example and he kept the Sabbath (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matt 16:24; 1 Cor 11:1; Eph 5:1-21; Pet 2:20-22)
9. The Apostle kept the Sabbath (Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Rev 1:10)

An UNBELIEVER is someone that does not BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's Word. If anyone has been given a KNOWLEDGE of the TRUTH through the WORD of God and does not BELIEVE and FOLLOW it they are an UNBELIEVER and UNBELIEVERS have no part in the Kingdom of Heaven.....

Hebrews 10
26, For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

Only the BELIEVERS and FOLLOWERS of God's Word will have the right to ENTER into God's Kingdom because they FOLLOW him who loves all because they have FAITH that works by LOVE and LOVE is the FULFILLING of GOD's LAW in those who through FAITH WALK as he walked in the SPIRIT and not in the FLESH.....

REVELATION 22
14, Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.15, For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whore mongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.

valiant · Nov 18, 2017

LoveGodForever said:

In other words to work on the Sabbath day when we are doing good. He was actually changing the Sabbath law.

Actually Jesus did not come to teach us how to keep the Sabbath. Where does He teach that we are to observe it? He took the commandments (which were binding on the Jews) and eased the fourth commandment of the Law. He then pointed out that He was Lord of the Sabbath and therefore had the right to do so.

James NOWHERE mentions the ten commandments, nor the law of the Sabbath day. It is you who is deceiving yourself. He mentions specifically the moral commandments.

well we all agree on that

The only mention of the Sabbath is in Mark 2.27 when Jesus was under the Law. You would have been more honest to say that God made the creation for all mankind.

and was therefore able to give it a new meaning,

LOL the Sabbath rest mentioned is a NEW rest for the people of God (vv9-10) patterned on the idea of the Sabbath,

James doesn't mention the ten commandments. He restricts himself to the last six.

Sin is lawlessness? Where is the Sabbath mentioned?

Where is the Sabbath mentioned? It is in fact noticeably absent, even in the teaching of Jesus.

He kept the Sabbath BECAUSE He was a Jew, and under the Law. He NEVER exhorted us to keep the Sabbath,

you mean they made use of the Sabbath in their preaching? The Lord's day in Revelation 1.10 was not the Sabbath. Note again Acts 20.7 which demonstrates that they observed the first day,

His commandments. NOT the ten which were part of God's covenant with Israel. He NEVER commanded the keeping of the Sabbath.

In the Greek it says 'sin is lawlessness'. No mention of the ten which were part of God's covenant with Israel

Where?

valiant · Nov 18, 2017

LoveGodForever said:

But Acts 20.7 was specifically to 'break bread'.

Galatians 3.17; Romans 14.5-8; Colossians 2.16. I am not necessarily arguing for Sunday as God's holy day. We choose which day we observe to the Lord.

Jesus was born under the Law and had to keep it as a member of Israel, although He changed the fourth command. The apostles after Pentecost are nowhere said to have observed it. They used it as a preaching medium.

See above.

but the question is, was it after Pentecost?

Yes the word of God as interpreted in the light of the New Testament and covenant. Nowhere is the need for the observance of the Sabbath mentioned. LOL if YOU had written it, it would be very different,

Only as Jews, not as Christians,

we should certainly follow God's word per the New covenant. Where does it tell us to observe the Sabbath?,

Hizikyah · Nov 18, 2017

Enow said:

The holy Spirit of YHWH is a gift but sin can definitely make it leave person;

Ephesians 2:1-2, “And you were dead in trespasses and sins, in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the ruler of the authority of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience.”

Acts 5:3, Then Peter said, "Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land?"

John 14:16-17, “And I shall ask the Father, and He shall give you another Helper, to stay with you forever the Spirit of the Truth, whom the world is unable to receive, because it does not see Him or know Him. But you know Him, for He stays with you and shall be in you.”

Psalms 51:10-11, “Create in me a clean heart, O Mighty One, And renew a steadfast spirit within me. Do not cast me away from Your presence, And do not take Your Set-apart Spirit from me.”

Mat 27:46, "And about the ninth hour יהושע cried out with a loud voice, saying, "Yli, Yli, lemah sheḇaqtani?” that is, “My Strength, My Strength, why have You forsaken Me?”

Psalms 22:1-2, “My Strength, My Strength, why have You forsaken Me – Far from saving Me, far from the words of My groaning? O My Strength, I call by day, but You do not answer; And by night, but I find no rest.”

1 Thessalonians 5:16-28, “Rejoice always, pray without ceasing, in all circumstances give thanks, for this is the desire of יהוה in Messiah יהושע for you. Do not quench the Spirit. Do not despise prophecies, prove them all. Hold fast what is right. Keep back from every form of wickedness. And the Strength of peace Himself set you completely apart, and your entire spirit, and being, and body; be preserved blameless at the coming of our Master יהושע Messiah! He who calls you is trustworthy, who also shall do it. Brothers, pray for us. Greet all the brothers with a set-apart kiss. I charge you by the Master that this letter be read to all the set-apart brothers. The favour of our Master יהושע Messiah be with you. Awmĕin."

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Corinthians 10:20-21,”No, but what the nations slaughter they slaughter to demons and not to YHWH, and I do not wish you to become sharers with demons. You are not able to drink the cup of the Master and the cup of demons, you are not able to partake of the table of the Master and of the table of demons.”[/FONT]

The Commandments To Keep In Order To Receive the Holy Spirit

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