Billy Graham, Charles Finney and Pelagius

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NotmebutHim

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I've read from different sources that Billy Graham regards Charles Finney as one of his heroes. Finney, in turn, regarded Pelagius as one of his heroes.

I don't know how much Graham knows about Finney, or whether he espouses any or all of Finney's teachings. I like Graham personally, and this assertion troubles me a little. Does that make BG a false teacher? To be honest, I'm not really sure what to think. I personally have never heard Graham deny original sin or say that we can stop sinning altogether, as Finney and Pelagius did during their lifetimes.

Is it merely a "guilt by association" thing or is it a serious doctrinal issue?
 

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I've read from different sources that Billy Graham regards Charles Finney as one of his heroes. Finney, in turn, regarded Pelagius as one of his heroes.

I don't know how much Graham knows about Finney, or whether he espouses any or all of Finney's teachings. I like Graham personally, and this assertion troubles me a little. Does that make BG a false teacher? To be honest, I'm not really sure what to think. I personally have never heard Graham deny original sin or say that we can stop sinning altogether, as Finney and Pelagius did during their lifetimes.

Is it merely a "guilt by association" thing or is it a serious doctrinal issue?
God be with you, brother. :)

(for two weeks i've been kicking around the idea of starting a thread on the association fallacy!
get out of my head. lol)
 
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Billy Graham is a legend in my eyes. Not just because of how long he has preached about Jesus, but also simply because he's still alive. He's going to turn 100 in 2018. Crazy.
 
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I've read from different sources that Billy Graham regards Charles Finney as one of his heroes. Finney, in turn, regarded Pelagius as one of his heroes.

I don't know how much Graham knows about Finney, or whether he espouses any or all of Finney's teachings. I like Graham personally, and this assertion troubles me a little. Does that make BG a false teacher? To be honest, I'm not really sure what to think. I personally have never heard Graham deny original sin or say that we can stop sinning altogether, as Finney and Pelagius did during their lifetimes.

Is it merely a "guilt by association" thing or is it a serious doctrinal issue?
There is a book entitled Princeton v The New Divinity. If you can get ahold of this book, read it, it will help your understanding and clarify my next comment concerning BG.

BG had a magazine titled "Decision" and may still have. The concept of decisional regeneration came from Finney. That is just one of Finney's issues.
 
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Here's a transcript from Robert Schuller's 'Hour of Power' program. You can find the video of this on youtube, btw...These two guys are/were pure mystics.

Billy Graham Believes Catholic Doctrine of Salvation Without Bible, Gospel, or Name of Christby Robert E. Kofahl, Ph.D
Television interview of Billy Graham by Robert Schuller. Part 1, an approximately 7-minute-long broadcast in Southern California on Saturday, May 31, 1997. The following is an exact transcript* of an excerpt close to the end of this broadcast.
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[TD="width: 50%"]Tell me, what do you think is the future of Christianity?


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[TD="width: 12%"]Graham:
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[TD="width: 88%"]Well, Christianity and being a true believer--you know, I think there's the Body of Christ. This comes from all the Christian groups around the world, outside the Christian groups. I think everybody that loves Christ, or knows Christ, whether they're conscious of it or not, they're members of the Body of Christ. And I don't think that we're going to see a great sweeping revival, that will turn the whole world to Christ at any time. I think James answered that, the Apostle James in the first council in Jerusalem, when he said that God's purpose for this age is to call out a people for His name. And that's what God is doing today, He's calling people out of the world for His name, whether they come from the Muslim world, or the Buddhist world, or the Christian world or the non-believing world, they are members of the Body of Christ because they've been called by God. They may not even know the name of Jesus but they know in their hearts that they need something that they don't have, and they turn to the only light that they have, and I think that they are saved, and that they're going to be with us in heaven.


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[TD="width: 88%"]What, what I hear you saying that it's possible for Jesus Christ to come into human hearts and soul and life, even if they've been born in darkness and have never had exposure to the Bible. Is that a correct interpretation of what you're saying?


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[TD="width: 12%"]Graham:
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[TD="width: 88%"]Yes, it is, because I believe that. I've met people in various parts of the world in tribal situations, that they have never seen a Bible or heard about a Bible, and never heard of Jesus, but they've believed in their hearts that there was a God, and they've tried to live a life that was quite apart from the surrounding community in which they lived.


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[TD="width: 88%"][R. S. trips over his tongue for a moment, his face beaming, then says] I'm so thrilled to hear you say this. There's a wideness in God's mercy.


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[TD="width: 88%"]There is. There definitely is.






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Robert Schuller; "even if they've been born in darkness" as if there is another format for fallen man to be born into. :rolleyes:

People gobble this stuff up, this mysticism. (Sorry, couldn't resist using "gobble" for some reason this time of the year) :D
 

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Billy Graham is a legend in my eyes. Not just because of how long he has preached about Jesus, but also simply because he's still alive. He's going to turn 100 in 2018. Crazy.

NO not craxy but like the pope Billy Graham as copped out on the Lord. He has turned to the ecumenical side of the world churches. There are video available confirming this.

We can only hope this is AGE and mabe a mind that has lost its luster talking.

Other than that, He went to the Dark side.
 

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There are people on here that I enjoy. I don't agree with them on everything and what we don't agree on has no effect on my identity.
 

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I've read from different sources that Billy Graham regards Charles Finney as one of his heroes. Finney, in turn, regarded Pelagius as one of his heroes.

I don't know how much Graham knows about Finney, or whether he espouses any or all of Finney's teachings. I like Graham personally, and this assertion troubles me a little. Does that make BG a false teacher? To be honest, I'm not really sure what to think. I personally have never heard Graham deny original sin or say that we can stop sinning altogether, as Finney and Pelagius did during their lifetimes.

Is it merely a "guilt by association" thing or is it a serious doctrinal issue?
Billy Graham is a heritic, he believe muslims are saved even people who have never heard the name of Jesus are part of the body of Christ.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axxlXy6bLH0
 
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There are people on here that I enjoy. I don't agree with them on everything and what we don't agree on has no effect on my identity.
But your identity is not what is eternally at stake my brother.
 
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Robert Schuller; "even if they've been born in darkness" as if there is another format for fallen man to be born into. :rolleyes:

People gobble this stuff up, this mysticism. (Sorry, couldn't resist using "gobble" for some reason this time of the year) :D
"Whether they're conscious of it or not, they're part of the body of Christ." Srsly? No wonder our churches are in such the hot mess they're in.

I was watching a Billy Graham crusade from Houston from 1981. I was helping my wife in the kitchen, so I didn't get to hear the whole message, but what I heard of it, it sounded pretty solid. He preached on the cross, repentance, the need of forgiveness of sin, &c. As it was going off, he had given his alter call, and as the credits were rolling down the screen, they were showing ppl coming down from their seats, and some were smiling and nudging each other as they were coming forward. That's just awful. You mean to tell me that ppl who are coming to the Christ are horsing around? When the Lord got a hold on me, man, I was a wreck. I was bawling like a baby, seeing I had offended a thrice holy God. I guess conviction of sins means different things to different folks. :rolleyes:
 
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"Whether they're conscious of it or not, they're part of the body of Christ." Srsly? No wonder our churches are in such the hot mess they're in.

I was watching a Billy Graham crusade from Houston from 1981. I was helping my wife in the kitchen, so I didn't get to hear the whole message, but what I heard of it, it sounded pretty solid. He preached on the cross, repentance, the need of forgiveness of sin, &c. As it was going off, he had given his alter call, and as the credits were rolling down the screen, they were showing ppl coming down from their seats, and some were smiling and nudging each other as they were coming forward. That's just awful. You mean to tell me that ppl who are coming to the Christ are horsing around? When the Lord got a hold on me, man, I was a wreck. I was bawling like a baby, seeing I had offended a thrice holy God. I guess conviction of sins means different things to different folks. :rolleyes:
The majority of those going forward at the altar call are instructed workers from local churches told to do so. Many churches are involved in the crusade and are given these instructions to come forward prior to the meeting.
 
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The majority of those going forward at the altar call are instructed workers from local churches told to do so. Many churches are involved in the crusade and are given these instructions to come forward prior to the meeting.
Ohhhhh!! I had not heard this. Anything to elicit a response I guess. :rolleyes: :(
 
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I noticed I spelled altar call as alter call. I hate doing that. :mad:


 

Bladerunner

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"Whether they're conscious of it or not, they're part of the body of Christ." Srsly? No wonder our churches are in such the hot mess they're in.

I was watching a Billy Graham crusade from Houston from 1981. I was helping my wife in the kitchen, so I didn't get to hear the whole message, but what I heard of it, it sounded pretty solid. He preached on the cross, repentance, the need of forgiveness of sin, &c. As it was going off, he had given his alter call, and as the credits were rolling down the screen, they were showing ppl coming down from their seats, and some were smiling and nudging each other as they were coming forward. That's just awful. You mean to tell me that ppl who are coming to the Christ are horsing around? When the Lord got a hold on me, man, I was a wreck. I was bawling like a baby, seeing I had offended a thrice holy God. I guess conviction of sins means different things to different folks. :rolleyes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axxlXy6bLH0


Ref: previous post by Johnny_B Post #9
 
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There are people on here that I enjoy. I don't agree with them on everything and what we don't agree on has no effect on my identity.
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so glad to hear you say this, brother: always be your own man in your walk with Christ...
 
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BG as with ALL of the other 'fakers and deceivers', will ultimately have to answer
to our 'Maker' on our Day of 'Judgment'...
 
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I may have this wrong, but I thought the lord had his commandments written on our heart, so people in these deep tribal situations would know there is a god and know how to follow him, with out having scriptures in their possession. Like the tribe of the Andaman Island, who no one has been able to contact.