Did Jesus abolish the law? Should we keep the commandments?

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valiant

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Many Christians say that Jesus has abolished the law and therefore they don't want to keep the commandments. But I can't agree with that. I think God has always been the same and He doesn't change. So why should his commandments change? I have read an interesting article on that topic which explains really well that Jesus never tought us to that we shouldn't keep the commandments anymore. It is all based on Bible verses. So I wonder if anyone can really argue against it?

Did Jesus abolish the law? Do we still have to keep the commandments?
If we follow his teachings we will deny the deity of Jesus,
 
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Ugly

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Countless threads already exist on the subject... because everyone wants their own thread.
 
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Ellsworth1943

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Many Christians say that Jesus has abolished the law and therefore they don't want to keep the commandments. But I can't agree with that. I think God has always been the same and He doesn't change. So why should his commandments change? I have read an interesting article on that topic which explains really well that Jesus never tought us to that we shouldn't keep the commandments anymore. It is all based on Bible verses. So I wonder if anyone can really argue against it?

Did Jesus abolish the law? Do we still have to keep the commandments?
Do you really think you or anyone can keep The Law? When was the last time you offered a lamb?
Jesus is the only person who kept The Law.
If salvation is based on one keeping The Law, Jesus will be the only one in Heaven.
Now should we try to keep the commandment that Jesus instructed us to keep, Yes we should. But even then we will fail.
 

tanakh

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Jesus was and is the embodiment of the law. He is the living word. His whole ministry was to fulfill the law on our behalf because it is impossible for us to fulfill it ourselves. In Rabbinic tradition it was said by some that the Messiah would be the one man who completely fulfilled the law of Moses. So even some of them understood this. I wonder why two thousand plus years later people still fail or refuse to recognize this simple but profound truth that we cant do it ourselves. I also wonder how many more threads will be started arguing this point and whether those who insist on starting them are really Christians and not Synagogue members. Paul said that if you want to keep the law then you have to keep it all, not have a buffet mentality concerning it.
 

prove-all

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Where in the bible does it say that God
un-blessed the Sabbath day Sabbath?
 

gb9

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where in the Bible does it say that gentiles ever had the Sabbath ? ( hint, it doesn't, gentiles were never under the law ).
 

prove-all

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where in the Bible does it say that gentiles ever had the Sabbath ?
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This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel
which spake to him in [the mount Sina], and with our fathers:
who received the lively oracles [ to give unto us ] Acts 7:38


O Lord, I know that the way of man is not in himself:

it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.


Notice which day Paul and Barnabas used for preaching to Gentiles:

1) Acts 13:14-15, 42-44: “But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia,
and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down. And after the reading of the law
and the prophets the rulers of the synagogue sent unto them, saying, Ye men and brethren,

if ye have any word of exhortation for the people, say on.”
Then Paul stood up, and spoke, preaching Christ to them.

“And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, [the Gentiles besought]
that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.”

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Now since Paul was preaching “the grace of God” (verse 43),
here was his opportunity to straighten out these Gentiles,
and explain that the Sabbath was done away.

Why should he wait a whole week, in order to preach to the Gentiles
on the next Sabbath? If the day had now been changed to Sunday,

why did not Paul tell them they would not have to wait a week, but
the very next day, Sunday, was the proper day for this service?

But notice what Paul did.

“And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.”

Here Paul waited a whole week, passing up a Sunday, in order to preach
to the Gentiles that besought teaching Gods words, on the Sabbath day.

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Ecclesiastes 12:13 (KJV)
Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God,
and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.


But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
 

gb9

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This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel
which spake to him in [the mount Sina], and with our fathers:
who received the lively oracles [ to give unto us ] Acts 7:38


O Lord, I know that the way of man is not in himself:

it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.


Notice which day Paul and Barnabas used for preaching to Gentiles:

1) Acts 13:14-15, 42-44: “But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia,
and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down. And after the reading of the law
and the prophets the rulers of the synagogue sent unto them, saying, Ye men and brethren,

if ye have any word of exhortation for the people, say on.”
Then Paul stood up, and spoke, preaching Christ to them.

“And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, [the Gentiles besought]
that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.”

-

Now since Paul was preaching “the grace of God” (verse 43),
here was his opportunity to straighten out these Gentiles,
and explain that the Sabbath was done away.

Why should he wait a whole week, in order to preach to the Gentiles
on the next Sabbath? If the day had now been changed to Sunday,

why did not Paul tell them they would not have to wait a week, but
the very next day, Sunday, was the proper day for this service?

But notice what Paul did.

“And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.”

Here Paul waited a whole week, passing up a Sunday, in order to preach
to the Gentiles that besought teaching Gods words, on the Sabbath day.

-
Ecclesiastes 12:13 (KJV)
Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God,
and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.


But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
Acts 7 is Stephen's defense before the Sanhedrin . if you keep reading Acts 7 ( something you Hebrew roots guys have little interest in doing ), Stephen said of the same fathers killed the prophets who spoke of Jesus, and though they received the Law, none of them kept it. ( v 51-53 ). that was his point of v. 38, not Sabbath keeping.
 

prove-all

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. that was his point of v. 38, not Sabbath keeping.
the oracles of God

This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel
which spake to him in [the mount Sina], and with our fathers:

who received the lively oracles [ to give unto us ] Acts 7:38

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What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?

Much every way:chiefly, because that unto them
were committed [the oracles of God]. Romans 3:2


For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need
that one teach you again which be the first principles of

[the oracles of God]; and are become such as have
need of milk, and not of strong meat. Hebrews 5:12

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If any man speak, let him speak as [the oracles of God];
if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth:

that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ,
to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. 1 Peter 4:11

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As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them.
O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths.
 

gb9

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throwing out verses with no context has no value.
 

Hizikyah

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where in the Bible does it say that gentiles ever had the Sabbath ? ( hint, it doesn't, gentiles were never under the law ).


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Isaiah 56:1-7, “Thus said [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[FONT=Times New Roman, serif], “Guard right-ruling, and do righteousness, for near is My deliverance to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who becomes strong in it, guarding the Sabbath lest he profane it, and guarding his hand from doing any evil. And let not the son of the gentile who has joined himself to [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]speak, saying, ‘[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]has certainly separated me from His people,’ nor let the eunuch say, ‘Look I am a dry tree.’ For thus said [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[FONT=Times New Roman, serif], “To the eunuchs who guard My Sabbaths, and have chosen what pleases Me, and are holding onto My covenant: to them I shall give in My house and within My walls a place and a name better than that of sons and daughters – I give them an everlasting name that is not cut off. Also the sons of the gentile who join themselves to [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[FONT=Times New Roman, serif], to serve Him, and to love the Name of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], to be His servants, all who guard the Sabbath, and not profane it, and are holding onto My covenant, them I shall bring to My set-apart mountain, and let them rejoice in My house of prayer. Their ascending offerings and their sacrifices are accepted on My altar, for My house is called a house of prayer for all the peoples.”[/FONT][/FONT]
 
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Many Christians say that Jesus has abolished the law and therefore they don't want to keep the commandments. But I can't agree with that. I think God has always been the same and He doesn't change. So why should his commandments change? I have read an interesting article on that topic which explains really well that Jesus never tought us to that we shouldn't keep the commandments anymore. It is all based on Bible verses. So I wonder if anyone can really argue against it?

Did Jesus abolish the law? Do we still have to keep the commandments?
God has always been the same its the mother under the agreement that has changed are you born from the slave mother cause if thats you then you are a slave child and yes that law pertains to you but if you were born from the free mother that was not a slave then you are free from that law because you are a child born from the free woman and as so are not a slave to the law and it doesnt pertain to u.

Read Galatians 4:21-31
 

Billyd

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Let's face it. The sole purpose of these "should we keep the law threads" is to justify the beliefs a group of people who believe that we must "Remember the Sabbath" on the Jewish Sabbath.
 

Hizikyah

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Let's face it. The sole purpose of these "should we keep the law threads" is to justify the beliefs a group of people who believe that we must "Remember the Sabbath" on the Jewish Sabbath.
It's not a Jewish Sabbath it's the Creator of the heavens and earth Sabbath...

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Genesis 2:2-3, "And on the Seventh Day YHWH ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the Seventh Day from all His work which He had done. Then YHWH blessed the Seventh Day and set it apart to be holy, because in it He rested from all the work which YHWH had created and made."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Isaiah 56:1-7, “Thus said יהוה[FONT=Times New Roman, serif], “Guard right-ruling, and do righteousness, for near is My deliverance to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who becomes strong in it, guarding the Sabbath lest he profane it, and guarding his hand from doing any evil. And let not the son of the gentile who has joined himself to [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]speak, saying, ‘[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]has certainly separated me from His people,’ nor let the eunuch say, ‘Look I am a dry tree.’ For thus said [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[FONT=Times New Roman, serif], “To the eunuchs who guard My Sabbaths, and have chosen what pleases Me, and are holding onto My covenant: to them I shall give in My house and within My walls a place and a name better than that of sons and daughters – I give them an everlasting name that is not cut off. Also the sons of the gentile who join themselves to [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה, to serve Him, and to love the Name of [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], to be His servants, all who guard the Sabbath, and not profane it, and are holding onto My covenant, them I shall bring to My set-apart mountain, and let them rejoice in My house of prayer. Their ascending offerings and their sacrifices are accepted on My altar, for My house is called a house of prayer for all the peoples.”[/FONT][/FONT]
 

Billyd

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It's not a Jewish Sabbath it's the Creator of the heavens and earth Sabbath...

Genesis 2:2-3, "And on the Seventh Day YHWH ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the Seventh Day from all His work which He had done. Then YHWH blessed the Seventh Day and set it apart to be holy, because in it He rested from all the work which YHWH had created and made."


Isaiah 56:1-7, “Thus said יהוה, “Guard right-ruling, and do righteousness, for near is My deliverance to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who becomes strong in it, guarding the Sabbath lest he profane it, and guarding his hand from doing any evil. And let not the son of the gentile who has joined himself to יהוה speak, saying, ‘יהוה has certainly separated me from His people,’ nor let the eunuch say, ‘Look I am a dry tree.’ For thus said יהוה, “To the eunuchs who guard My Sabbaths, and have chosen what pleases Me, and are holding onto My covenant: to them I shall give in My house and within My walls a place and a name better than that of sons and daughters – I give them an everlasting name that is not cut off. Also the sons of the gentile who join themselves to יהוה, to serve Him, and to love the Name of יהוה, to be His servants, all who guard the Sabbath, and not profane it, and are holding onto My covenant, them I shall bring to My set-apart mountain, and let them rejoice in My house of prayer. Their ascending offerings and their sacrifices are accepted on My altar, for My house is called a house of prayer for all the peoples.”
I rest my case.
 

Hizikyah

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Never knew I started this thread or the Word of Yah was my personal tool to justify my believefs, I thought the word wsa a guide to all followers of Yahshua.

I was showing in the Word what you said about Jewsih Sabbath was not Scriptually true. this is a bible Discussion forum...
 
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Ellsworth1943

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Where in the bible does it say that God
un-blessed the Sabbath day Sabbath?
Do you really keep the Sabbath as described in the law? No, really, do you keep it 100%. If not 100% than you do not keep it at all.
 
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#38
Many Christians say that Jesus has abolished the law and therefore they don't want to keep the commandments. But I can't agree with that. I think God has always been the same and He doesn't change. So why should his commandments change? I have read an interesting article on that topic which explains really well that Jesus never tought us to that we shouldn't keep the commandments anymore. It is all based on Bible verses. So I wonder if anyone can really argue against it?

Did Jesus abolish the law? Do we still have to keep the commandments?
Yes, we must keep the commandments. Its ridiculous to say we are now free to murder.

The question then becomes: if anger in my heart is murder, HOW do I keep the commandments?? If the murder occurs even before I shoot someone, how is it possible?
 

Hizikyah

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Yes, we must keep the commandments. Its ridiculous to say we are now free to murder.

The question then becomes: if anger in my heart is murder, HOW do I keep the commandments?? If the murder occurs even before I shoot someone, how is it possible?
I think the explanation IMO I highlighted in RED, as James was Yahshua/Jesus brother, he likely understood Him well;

1 John 3:14-15, “We know that we have passed out of death into life, because we love the brothers. The one not loving his brother stays in death. Everyone hating his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has everlasting life staying in him.”

Matthew 5:21-26, “You heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder, and whoever murders shall be liable to judgment. But I say to you that whoever is wroth with his brother without a cause shall be liable to judgment. And whoever says to his brother, ‘Raka!’ shall be liable to the Sanhedrin. But whoever says, ‘You fool!(*Godless fool)’ shall be liable to fire of GĕHinnom. If, then, you bring your gift to the altar, and there remember that your brother holds whatever against you, leave your gift there before the altar, and go, first make peace with your brother, and then come and offer your gift. Be well-minded with your opponent, promptly, while you are on the way with him, lest your opponent deliver you to the judge, and the judge to the officer, and you be thrown into prison. Truly, I say to you, you shall by no means get out of there till you have paid the last penny.”

*This word is not simply “fool” as we think today, but rather a mentally and spiritually emptiness;
G3474 μωρός moros (mō-ros') adj., 1. dull-witted, foolish, mentally slow (as if shut up), i.e. heedless., 2. (apparently) absurd. [probably from the base of G3466], KJV: fool(-ish, X -ishness) , Root(s): G3466
G3466 μυστήριον musterion (mï-stee'-riy-on) n., a secret or “mystery.”, {through the idea of silence imposed by initiation into religious rites}, [from a derivative of muo “to shut the mouth”], KJV: mystery

James 1:12-18, “Blessed is the man who does endure trial, for when he has been proved, he shall receive the crown of life which the Master has promised to those who love Him. Let no one say when he is enticed, “I am enticed by Yah,” for Yah is not enticed by evil matters, and He entices no one. But each one is enticed when he is drawn away by his own desires and trapped. Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin. And sin, when it has been accomplished, brings forth death. Do not go astray, my beloved brothers. Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of light, with whom there is no change, nor shadow of turning. Having purposed it, He brought us forth by the Word of truth, for us to be a kind of first-fruits of His creatures.”