Is the Law love?

[Hizikyah]

Blessings
Yes and No. To answer a question with a question, is that person who has been enjoined to the law entreated to the promise or to sin?

Shaul, (Paul) taught keeping the Law is like having a good school master over you leading you the way you should go.

To a person who remains in the Messiah the Law in truth is just that, Truth. He lives in the morning praising Elohi and goes to sleep at night with a clean conscience, praising Elohi's Son for all that was accomplished.
If you have any child and have noticed how quickly they pick up new things, just imagine how much the world would be effected by the way being introduced to a people who threw themselves into the good works preordained for mankind to live in. We are not called to revive the dead church, today we are called to come out of her. That means leaving now and for all the worthless and meaningless practicing of man's religion. We have such a beautiful and rich heritage in the Word of God. Without it we are without anything.

Shalom to those near and to those far from the promise. That you too may increase your hope in the Master Yahshua Messiah return to the ancient path and have rest for the soul. John Talmid

I don't think it possible for one to be enjopined to sin and be loving, enjoined to the promise they would have a heart change, not to mean they will be instantly perfect but the heart change occurs:

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.”[/FONT]



and then the Spirit works day to day;

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 2:15, "Who show the work of the Torah (Instructions/Law) written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing (condemming sin) or even excusing (justifying sin)."[/FONT]

 

[Jackson123]

The Bible says we love because God loves first

The unsaved have never experienced Gods love.

They can obey aspects of true law

They can not do it BECAUSE they love. Meaning the law and love are not the same.

Give it up man. Your fighting a lost cause.

If a man have love, he do the law, If he have a chance, but obey the certain law not always drive by love

for Example a man not steal because fear go to jail.

cat is animal, but animal not always cat

 

[Hizikyah]

If a man have love, he do the law, If he have a chance, but obey the certain law not always drive by love

for Example a man not steal because fear go to jail.

cat is animal, but animal not always cat

YOu know this is correct but I want to add that the person not stealing so they will not go to jail would not be guarding the Law in faith and submission to Yah. If that was their sole motivation. But I agree with what you say other than that type of thing.

 

[mj007]

Some don't really know what love is, they have overwritten it.

It is as if the concept and source (Jesus/God) has been crushed out of them, and replaced with some synthetic, logical, calculated version of it. And yes it's root is fear.

We all deal with pain differently. But most of the time, fear is the outcome, and then people fabricate a comfortable world based on a distortion of what love really is. Because real love, unconditional love, God's Love, has become a painful thing.

Turning round, admitting you were wrong, saying, how can we change this, how can we love each other more? Such a thing becomes a challenge. And such people become stuck in their ways, a false perspective that gives them comfort, until, they step outside of it.

Ask the one who tries to tell people they are wrong, how can we love each other rather than decide who is right or wrong?

People can say whatever they want. But when it comes to choosing love, they have to step outside of the logical world of safety they have created.

If a man have love, he do the law, If he have a chance, but obey the certain law not always drive by love

for Example a man not steal because fear go to jail.

cat is animal, but animal not always cat

 

[Marcelo]

Can one be walking in love and be doing things against the Law? I say no.

I don't keep the Sabbath (this is against the Law), therefore I am not walking in love. This is what Hiz says!

 

[Hizikyah]

I don't keep the Sabbath (this is against the Law), therefore I am not walking in love. This is what Hiz says!

That pesky old sabbath huh? Nice way to pick. Can someone break the first 3 Commandmesnt and be loving Yah in that instance?

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]#1 Exodus 20:3, "“You have no other mighty ones against My face."[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]#2 Exodus 20:4, “You do not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of that which is in the heavens above, or which is in the earth beneath, or which is in the waters under the earth,"20:5, "you do not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]your Strength am a jealous Ěl, visiting the crookedness of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me,"20:6, "but showing loving-commitment to thousands, to those who love Me and guard My commands."[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]#3 Exodus 20:7, "“You do not bringa the Name of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]your Strength to naught, for [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]does not leave the one unpunished who brings His Name to naught.

Can we steal an be loving our neighbor?
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Exodus 20:6, “But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws.”




John/Yahanan 14:15, “If you love Me, keep My commandments.”

What is the purpose of the 7th day Sabbath?



Isaiah 58:11-14, "YHWH will guide you continually, and satisfy your soul in drought, and make fat; (strengthen), your bones. You will be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters do not fail. And those of you will rebuild the old waste places; you will raise up the foundations of many generations; and you will be called the Repairer of the Breach, the Restorer of Streets to Dwell In; If you turn away your foot from breaking the Sabbath: from doing your pleasure; your own business, your own pleasure, on My holy day, and call the Sabbath a delight; the holy day of YHWH honorable, and will honor Him by not doing your own ways, nor finding your own pleasure, nor engaging in idle conversation: Then you will find your joy in YHWH; and I will cause you to ride on the high places of the earth, and feed you with the heritage of Yaaqob your father, for the mouth of YHWH has spoken it."

who is it for?




Isaiah 56:1-7, “Thus said יהוה, “Guard right-ruling, and do righteousness, for near is My deliverance to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who becomes strong in it, guarding the Sabbath lest he profane it, and guarding his hand from doing any evil. And let not the son of the gentile who has joined himself to יהוה speak, saying, ‘יהוה has certainly separated me from His people,’ nor let the eunuch say, ‘Look I am a dry tree.’ For thus said יהוה, “To the eunuchs who guard My Sabbaths, and have chosen what pleases Me, and are holding onto My covenant: to them I shall give in My house and within My walls a place and a name better than that of sons and daughters – I give them an everlasting name that is not cut off. Also the sons of the gentile who join themselves to יהוה, to serve Him, and to love the Name of יהוה, to be His servants, all who guard the Sabbath, and not profane it, and are holding onto My covenant, them I shall bring to My set-apart mountain, and let them rejoice in My house of prayer. Their ascending offerings and their sacrifices are accepted on My altar, for My house is called a house of prayer for all the peoples.”


It seems there is a ton of oppoisition not only to His Commands but the 4th one in particular.

 

[Marcelo]

Can someone break the first 3 Commandmesnt and be loving Yah in that instance?

Sincere Christians keep the 9 commandments naturally (without even reading the Old Testament). They don't keep the 4th because they would be disobeying the commandment given by Jesus to us through Paul.

 

[Hizikyah]

Sincere Christians keep the 9 commandments naturally (without even reading the Old Testament). They don't keep the 4th because they would be disobeying the commandment given by Jesus to us through Paul.

So Pual said the Sabbath is evil or wrong?

Yahshua/Jesus said:

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 12:12, "And how much more valuable is a man than a sheep? Therefore, it is Lawful to do righteousness on the Sabbath."

He even thought it would be valid in the end times:

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 24:20, “But pray that your flight will not be in the winter, nor on the Sabbath Day.”


Was He wrong or did He change His mind or what happened?

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

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Oh and Paul kept the Sabath and Feast days:

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Acts 24:14, "But I confess this to you, that after the way which they call heresy--so I worship the Father of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the Law and in the Prophets."[/FONT]




[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Acts 18:21, “But bade them farewell, saying, I must by all means keep this Feast that cometh in Jerusalem: but I will return again unto you, if Yah will. And he sailed from Ephesus.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Acts 27:9, “Much time had been lost, and sailing had already become dangerous because by now it was after the Day of Atonement. So Paul warned them.”[/FONT]


“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Day of Atonement” is word #G3521 in Strong's Concordance – nésteia, nésteia: fasting, a fast, Original Word: νηστεία, ας, ἡ, Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine, Transliteration: nésteia, Phonetic Spelling: (nace-ti'-ah), Short Definition: fasting, the day of atonement, Definition: fasting, the day of atonement.[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Acts 20:16, “Paul had decided to sail past Ephesus to avoid spending time in the province of Asia, for he was in a hurry to reach Jerusalem, if possible, by the day of Pentecost.”

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]2 Peter/Kepha 3:15-17, "and reckon the patience of our Master as deliverance, as also our beloved brother Paul/Sha’ul wrote to you, according to the wisdom given to him, as also in all his letters, speaking in them concerning these matters, in which some are hard to understand, which those who are untaught and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do also the other Scriptures. You, then, beloved ones, being forewarned, watch, lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the delusion of the lawless, but grow in the favor and knowledge of our Master and Savior [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Messiah. To Him be the esteem both now and to a day that abides. Awmiĕn.”[/FONT]

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against YHWH, and will wear out; mentally attack to cause to fall away, the saints of YHWH, and think to change times and Laws..."[/FONT]



[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Acts 24:14, "But I confess this to you, that after the way which they call heresy--so I worship the Father of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the Law and in the Prophets."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Paul Kept Sabbath and Feasts;[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Acts 18:21, “But bade them farewell, saying, I must by all means keep this Feast that cometh in Jerusalem: but I will return again unto you, if Yah will. And he sailed from Ephesus.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Acts 27:9, “Much time had been lost, and sailing had already become dangerous because by now it was after the Day of Atonement. So Paul warned them.”[/FONT]


“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Day of Atonement” is word #G3521 in Strong's Concordance – nésteia, nésteia: fasting, a fast, Original Word: νηστεία, ας, ἡ, Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine, Transliteration: nésteia, Phonetic Spelling: (nace-ti'-ah), Short Definition: fasting, the day of atonement, Definition: fasting, the day of atonement.[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Acts 20:16, “Paul had decided to sail past Ephesus to avoid spending time in the province of Asia, for he was in a hurry to reach Jerusalem, if possible, by the day of Pentecost.”[/FONT]

 

[Studyman]

Yes actually they can. Did the pharisees love when they followed the law? How about the levites? Isreal could not even understand and had to add laws thinking it would help them and make it even harder than mosaic law (a form of human good() because they could not understand what it really took to be obedient.

Give me a law (do not do this) I can do it 24/7 and never have a bit of love for anyone. I can do it to puff myself up (look how Good I am) I can do it because I am trying to earn something (Whatever that mighty be, some do it to earn salvation)

What a lot of people do not understand is that it is easy to see a licentious believer (one who loves sin) it is not easy to see a self righteous believer (because they can obey laws and appear morally upright, while having no love for God or anyone else) and they can do that for years without anyone knowing any different.

The Pharisees were not following God's Law. Jesus made that abundantly clear both in the Old Testament and in the New. Jesus called them "Servants of satan" because they transgressed God's Commandments by their own traditions and laws. Which was prophesied.

Jer. 23:16 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the LORD.

If they loved the true God they would not have created another one in the likeness of man, nor would they preach laws that didn't come from God.

Zacharias loved God, Abraham loved God, Jesus loved God, but the Mainstream preachers of that time, who Jesus said "taught for doctrines the commandments of men" did not Love God. If they had, they would have obeyed Him and not created their own god after the likeness of man and their own righteousness.

 

[phil36]

Hi Hizikyah,

I think we are all waiting for answer of Marcelo's statement. If we do not keep Sabbath are we then not walking in love? Your answer to Marcelo was very slippery indeed.

I don't keep the Sabbath (this is against the Law), therefore I am not walking in love. This is what Hiz says!

 

[Hizikyah]

Hi Hizikyah,

I think we are all waiting for answer of Marcelo's statement. If we do not keep Sabbath are we then not walking in love? Your answer to Marcelo was very slippery indeed.

LOLLLL!!!!!!!!!! LET THE INQUISITION BEGIN!!!!

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Council of Laodicea (4th Century) Canon 29[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Christians must not judaize by resting on the Sabbath, but must work on that day, rather honouring the Lord's Day; and, if they can, resting then as Christians. But if any shall be found to be judaizers, let them be anathema from Christ.[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Definition - “anathema” - noun, plural a·nath·e·mas.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1.a person or thing detested or loathed: That subject is anathema to him.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]2.a person or thing accursed or consigned to damnation or destruction.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]3.a formal ecclesiastical curse involving excommunication.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]4.any imprecation of divine punishment.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]5.a curse; execration.[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Exodus 31:13, "Speak also to the children of Israyl, saying; Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for they are a *sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am YHWH Who sanctifies you, and makes you holy."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]*“sign” is word #226, Hebrew Dictionary,Strong's Exhaustive Concordance,[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]meaning mark, token, sign, consent, flag, evidence of consent.[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]H.F. Thomas, Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons - “Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change (Saturday Sabbath to Sunday) was her act...And the act is a mark of her ecclesiastical authority in religious things.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Ezekiyl 20:12, "Moreover, I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign between Me and them, that they might know that I am YHWH Who sanctifies them."[/FONT]


You want so so bady for a reason to accuse or throw the CXommands out do you not?

The purpose of the Sabbath is to do righteousness/His will;

Isaiah 58:11-14, "YHWH will guide you continually, and satisfy your soul in drought, and make fat; (strengthen), your bones. You will be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters do not fail. And those of you will rebuild the old waste places; you will raise up the foundations of many generations; and you will be called the Repairer of the Breach, the Restorer of Streets to Dwell In; If you turn away your foot from breaking the Sabbath: from doing your pleasure; your own business, your own pleasure, on My holy day, and call the Sabbath a delight; the holy day of YHWH honorable, and will honor Him by not doing your own ways, nor finding your own pleasure, nor engaging in idle conversation: Then you will find your joy in YHWH; and I will cause you to ride on the high places of the earth, and feed you with the heritage of Yaaqob your father, for the mouth of YHWH has spoken it."

I di answer him and will will answer again if you can answer me one question. If a person is not honorin the Sabbath as YHWH says an Yahshua says, to do righteousness, His will, then in that moment they are not walking in love. It dows not mean that person is condemme or not entering the kingdom, for I am not the judge, but the same as the other 9, if someone breaks any of them, in that moment they break them they are not walking in love.

Now I ask you to answer this;

What other of the 10 Commandments besides the 4th can a person break and be loving in that moment?

 

[Hizikyah]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away." [/FONT]




[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against YHWH, and will wear out; mentally attack to cause to fall away, the saints of YHWH, and think to change times and Laws…" [/FONT]

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

Exodus 31:13, "Speak also to the children of Israyl, saying; Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for they are a *sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am YHWH Who sanctifies you, and makes you holy."

*“sign” is word #226, Hebrew Dictionary,Strong's Exhaustive Concordance,
meaning mark, token, sign, consent, flag, evidence of consent.


H.F. Thomas, Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons - “Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change (Saturday Sabbath to Sunday) was her act...And the act is a mark of her ecclesiastical authority in religious things.”

Ezekiyl 20:12, "Moreover, I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign between Me and them, that they might know that I am YHWH Who sanctifies them."

Isaiah 58:11-14, "YHWH will guide you continually, and satisfy your soul in drought, and make fat; (strengthen), your bones. You will be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters do not fail. And those of you will rebuild the old waste places; you will raise up the foundations of many generations; and you will be called the Repairer of the Breach, the Restorer of Streets to Dwell In; If you turn away your foot from breaking the Sabbath: from doing your pleasure; your own business, your own pleasure, on My holy day, and call the Sabbath a delight; the holy day of YHWH honorable, and will honor Him by not doing your own ways, nor finding your own pleasure, nor engaging in idle conversation: Then you will find your joy in YHWH; and I will cause you to ride on the high places of the earth, and feed you with the heritage of Yaaqob your father, for the mouth of YHWH has spoken it."

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though YHWH's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Yisra’yl who belongs to Yisra’yl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are YHWH's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 105:6-9, "O seed of Abraham His servant, You children of Yaaqob, His chosen ones! He is YHWH our Father! His judgments are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, the Law He commanded for a thousand generations; Which He made; ratified, established, with Abraham, and vowed by His oath to Isaac. He confirmed it; let it stand, to Yaaqob for a Law, and to Israyl for an everlasting covenant."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Galatians 3:27-29, “For as many of you as were immersed into Messiah have put on Messiah. There is not Yehuḏi nor Greek, there is not slave nor free, there is not male and female, for you are all one in Messiah [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]. And if you are of Messiah, then you are seed of Aḇraham, and heirs according to promise.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 89:26-37, "He will call out to Me; ‘You are my Father, O YHWH! You are the Rock of my salvation!’ And I will make Him My firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. My mercy I will keep for Him forever and My covenant will stand fast with Him. And I will establish His Seed forever, and His throne will be as the days of heaven. Should His children forsake My Law, and refuse to walk in My judgments; Should they profane My statutes, and fail to keep My commandments; Then I will punish their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with lashes from the whip. Nevertheless, My lovingkindness I will not utterly withdraw from Him, nor will I ever betray My faithfulness. My covenant I will not break, nor will I change what has gone out of My lips. Once for all, I have vowed by My holiness, I cannot lie, and I say to David; His Seed will endure forever, and his throne will endure before Me like the sun. His throne will be established forever like the moon: the faithful witness in the sky."[/FONT]

 

[phil36]

LOLLLL!!!!!!!!!! LET THE INQUISITION BEGIN!!!!

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."


Council of Laodicea (4th Century) Canon 29
Christians must not judaize by resting on the Sabbath, but must work on that day, rather honouring the Lord's Day; and, if they can, resting then as Christians. But if any shall be found to be judaizers, let them be anathema from Christ.


Definition - “anathema” - noun, plural a·nath·e·mas.
1.a person or thing detested or loathed: That subject is anathema to him.
2.a person or thing accursed or consigned to damnation or destruction.
3.a formal ecclesiastical curse involving excommunication.
4.any imprecation of divine punishment.
5.a curse; execration.


Exodus 31:13, "Speak also to the children of Israyl, saying; Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for they are a *sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am YHWH Who sanctifies you, and makes you holy."


*“sign” is word #226, Hebrew Dictionary,Strong's Exhaustive Concordance,
meaning mark, token, sign, consent, flag, evidence of consent.


H.F. Thomas, Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons - “Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change (Saturday Sabbath to Sunday) was her act...And the act is a mark of her ecclesiastical authority in religious things.”


Ezekiyl 20:12, "Moreover, I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign between Me and them, that they might know that I am YHWH Who sanctifies them."


You want so so bady for a reason to accuse or throw the CXommands out do you not?

The purpose of the Sabbath is to do righteousness/His will;

Isaiah 58:11-14, "YHWH will guide you continually, and satisfy your soul in drought, and make fat; (strengthen), your bones. You will be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters do not fail. And those of you will rebuild the old waste places; you will raise up the foundations of many generations; and you will be called the Repairer of the Breach, the Restorer of Streets to Dwell In; If you turn away your foot from breaking the Sabbath: from doing your pleasure; your own business, your own pleasure, on My holy day, and call the Sabbath a delight; the holy day of YHWH honorable, and will honor Him by not doing your own ways, nor finding your own pleasure, nor engaging in idle conversation: Then you will find your joy in YHWH; and I will cause you to ride on the high places of the earth, and feed you with the heritage of Yaaqob your father, for the mouth of YHWH has spoken it."

I di answer him and will will answer again if you can answer me one question. If a person is not honorin the Sabbath as YHWH says an Yahshua says, to do righteousness, His will, then in that moment they are not walking in love. It dows not mean that person is condemme or not entering the kingdom, for I am not the judge, but the same as the other 9, if someone breaks any of them, in that moment they break them they are not walking in love.

Now I ask you to answer this;

What other of the 10 Commandments besides the 4th can a person break and be loving in that moment?

Hi Hizikyah,

I would have a better chance of getting a straight answer from a snake oil salesman.

We can all safely assume that you believe that those millions upon millions of christians past and present, were and are not walking in love because they do not observe Sabbath? And of course by implication that means they are not walking in the light!!

Is that correct?

 

[Hizikyah]

Hi Hizikyah,

I would have a better chance of getting a straight answer from a snake oil salesman.

We can all safely assume that you believe that those millions upon millions of christians past and present, were and are not walking in love because they do not observe Sabbath? And of course by implication that means they are not walking in the light!!

Is that correct?

I gave my answer clearly, maybe you didnt read the wole post. Anyone that breaks a commandment is not loving in that moment, does not mean they are condemmed, we all sin, Yahshua is the judge, not me. If it is Commandments 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 or 10 in the moment one breaks any they are not loving in that moment. I did not say they are not capable of love or that they are not loving at other times.

I see you did not answer my question as usual. Yet you say a snake oil salesmen is more trustworthy than I am. You ignore, criticize over using Yahshua rather than Yeshua, then are silent about any verse that dos not support your vies. Im still waiting on a personal commenty of this in any translation you like;

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 14:12-13, “Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the Commands of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]and the Belief of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]. And I heard a voice out of the heaven saying to me, Write, Blessed are the dead who die in the Master from now on. Yes, says the Spirit, in order that they rest from their labors, and their works follow with them.”


Now I (again) ask you to answer this;

What other of the 10 Commandments besides the 4th can a person break and be loving in that moment?
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[mj007]

If you love God, then you love people 'regardless' of, 'without' condition.

You may observe the difference between people through logic, but you can observe the similarity of people, through love.

You may judge the sin in people through logic, but you can judge that which inflicts the sin in people, through love.

The Pharisees were not following God's Law. Jesus made that abundantly clear both in the Old Testament and in the New. Jesus called them "Servants of satan" because they transgressed God's Commandments by their own traditions and laws. Which was prophesied.

Jer. 23:16 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the LORD.

If they loved the true God they would not have created another one in the likeness of man, nor would they preach laws that didn't come from God.

Zacharias loved God, Abraham loved God, Jesus loved God, but the Mainstream preachers of that time, who Jesus said "taught for doctrines the commandments of men" did not Love God. If they had, they would have obeyed Him and not created their own god after the likeness of man and their own righteousness.

 

[phil36]

I gave my answer clearly, maybe you didnt read the wole post. Anyone that breaks a commandment is not loving in that moment, does not mean they are condemmed, we all sin, Yahshua is the judge, not me. If it is Commandments 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 or 10 in the moment one breaks any they are not loving in that moment. I did not say they are not capable of love or that they are not loving at other times.

I see you did not answer my question as usual. Yet you say a snake oil salesmen is more trustworthy than I am. You ignore, criticize over using Yahshua rather than Yeshua, then are silent about any verse that dos not support your vies. Im still waiting on a personal commenty of this in any translation you like;

Revelation 14:12-13, “Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the Commands of יהוה and the Belief of יהושע. And I heard a voice out of the heaven saying to me, Write, Blessed are the dead who die in the Master from now on. Yes, says the Spirit, in order that they rest from their labors, and their works follow with them.”


Now I (again) ask you to answer this;

What other of the 10 Commandments besides the 4th can a person break and be loving in that moment?

Hi Hizikyah,

Another slippery answer. I am not talking about occasional sin.

I am refering to the millions upon millions past and present who DO NOT and will not observe Sabbath (fri eve -sat eve and all that entails). Are they then not walking in love and by implication not walking in Light? Are they condemned?

 

[mj007]

What is walking in love to you?

Hi Hizikyah,

Another slippery answer. I am not talking about occasional sin.

I am refering to the millions upon millions past and present who DO NOT and will not observe Sabbath (fri eve -sat eve and all that entails). Are they then not walking in love and by implication not walking in Light? Are they condemned?

 

[Hizikyah]

Hi Hizikyah,

Another slippery answer. I am not talking about occasional sin.

I am refering to the millions upon millions past and present who DO NOT and will not observe Sabbath (fri eve -sat eve and all that entails). Are they then not walking in love and by implication not walking in Light? Are they condemned?

No I literraly answered it, even the condemmed part before you asked it. You want an answer you can accuse, you do this all the time, you ask, then re ask, the re ask, seeking that you can find fault. while never giving my questions any atention.

I gave my answer clearly, maybe you didnt read the wole post. Anyone that breaks a commandment is not loving in that moment, does not mean they are condemmed, we all sin, Yahshua is the judge, not me. If it is Commandments 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 or 10 in the moment one breaks any they are not loving in that moment. I did not say they are not capable of love or that they are not loving at other times.

I see you did not answer my question as usual. Yet you say a snake oil salesmen is more trustworthy than I am. You ignore, criticize over using Yahshua rather than Yeshua, then are silent about any verse that dos not support your vies. Im still waiting on a personal commenty of this in any translation you like;

Revelation 14:12-13, “Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the Commands of יהוה and the Belief of יהושע. And I heard a voice out of the heaven saying to me, Write, Blessed are the dead who die in the Master from now on. Yes, says the Spirit, in order that they rest from their labors, and their works follow with them.”


Now I (again) ask you to answer this;

What other of the 10 Commandments besides the 4th can a person break and be loving in that moment?

You still have not answered my question.

 

[Marcelo]

So Paul said the Sabbath is evil or wrong? Yahshua/Jesus said: Mat 12:12, "And how much more valuable is a man than a sheep? Therefore, it is Lawful to do righteousness on the Sabbath."

Jesus, while on earth, preached salvation by the Law. After the cross, using Paul as His spokesman, He preached salvation by grace through faith.

 

[Hizikyah]

Jesus, while on earth, preached salvation by the Law. After the cross, using Paul as His spokesman, He preached salvation by grace through faith.

then you set Jesus against Paul.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]2 John 1:9, "Everyone who is transgressing and not staying in the teaching of Messiah does not possess YHWH. The one who stays in the teaching of Messiah possesses both the Father and the Son.” (1Ti 6:3. cSee 1Jn 1:3, 1Jn 2:22, 1Jn 5:20)[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 14:6, "Yahshua proclaimed to him: I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man comes to the Father, except through Me."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 10:16, "And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to My voice. So there will be one flock, one Shepherd (4166 – poimén)."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Matthew 16:24-27, “Then [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]said to His disciples, “If anyone wishes to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his stake, and follow Me. For whoever wishes to save his life shall lose it, and whoever loses his life for My sake shall find it. For what is a man profited if he gains all the world, and loses his own life? Or what shall a man give in exchange for his life? For the Son of Aḏam is going to come in the esteem of His Father with His messengers, and then He shall reward each according to his works.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 10:27-30, "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life, and they will never perish; neither will any man snatch them out of My hand. My Father, Who gave them to Me, is greater than all; and no man is able to snatch them out of My Father's hand: I and My Father are in accord."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 5:46-47, "For had you believed Mosheh, you would have believed Me, for he wrote about Me*. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?"

*Mosheh wrote:

Deuteronomy 18:18-19, "I (YHWH) will raise up for them a Prophet (Yahshua/Jesus) like you from among their brothers, and I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him. Whoever will not listen to My words, which He speaks in My Name, I will judge him for it"

"listen" is word #8085 - [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]שָׁמַע[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]shama` {shaw-mah'}

Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
A primitive root; to hear intelligently (often with implication of attention, obedience, etc.; causatively to tell, etc.)

Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) - 1) to hear, listen to, obey[/FONT][/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]2 John/Yahanan 1:9, "Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of the Messiah, does not have Yah. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John 5:43, “I have come in My Father's Name, but you do not follow Me. Let another come in his own name; him you will follow.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 7:16-17, "Yahshua answered, them, and said: My doctrine is not Mine, but His Who sent Me. If any man will do His will, he will know about this teaching, whether it comes from YHWH, or whether I am speaking of My own authority."[/FONT]




[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John 14:23-24, "[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]answered him, “If anyone loves Me, he shall guard My Word. And My Father shall love him, and We shall come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not guard My Words. And the Word which you hear is not Mine but of the Father Who sent Me.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]2 Thessalonians 1:8, “In flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know Yah, and on those who do not obey the Good News of our Master [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Messiah.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Peter 4:17, "Because it is time for judgment to begin from the House of Yah. And if firstly from us, what is the end of those who do not obey the Good News of Yah?"[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Matthew 28:19-20, “Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Colossians 2:6-7, “Therefore, as you accepted Messiah [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]the Master, walk in Him, having been rooted and built up in Him, and established in the belief, as you were taught, overflowing in it with thanksgiving.”

Hearing and obeying His voice is what enables us to be in Him

Romans 8:1, "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Messiah Yahshua, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit."

1 John/Yahanan 2:6, "He who says he abides in Him, is himself also obligated to walk as He walked."

1 John/Yahanan 3:24, “And the one guarding His commands stays in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He stays in us, by the Spirit which He gave us.”[/FONT]