Christ-mass is Pagan.

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I find it fascinating that the man made "Feast unto the Lord" Christmas, by far the greatest High Day in Mainstream Christianity celebrated by billions of people for centuries, and by pagans for centuries before that, is not mentioned or prophesied in the bible, except for Jer. 10 where God said don't do it.


It is so big now that it's collapse would cause the collapse of money markets world wide and nations economies like the US would crumble. Millions of people out of work just where the tree and the ornaments made to decorate it are concerned.

Yet not one word about this great "Christian" High Day that is observed by almost every self proclaimed Christian in the world. Not one word of prophesy in the Old Testament regarding in except Jer. 10, Not one word about it in any of the future prophesies regarding after Jesus 2nd coming. Nothing in the Old Testament.

In the New Testament there is one place that speaks to it a little.

2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

Rev. 18:3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.

Amazing that the most holy day man has ever created, was not spoken about by Jesus, His Apostles, not His Prophets of old, accept not to do it.


In contrast the Sabbaths Jesus created for man, before He became a man, is mentioned 147 time in the Bible(KJV). It was mentioned upon creation and was prophesied still be in effect after He comes back as scriptures prophesies. It is mentioned 55 times in the New Testament (KJV) and Jesus said it was made for man, and that He is the Lord of it.


I find this fascinating that man rejects a Commandment Created by Jesus before becoming a man, that is spoken of so many times in His Word past, and future, that is said to be "Holy to God" and "Holy to man", but is rejected by Mainstream Christians almost universally. But a "Feast unto the Lord" that the Mainstream Christian Church created in disobedience to God's instruction, created by man to fall on an ancient sun worship high day, is given great honor and respect and is observed almost universally.

You can speak out against God's Sabbath, Jesus is Lord of, and get likes on this forum all day long. But if you want to


get spiritually stoned to death, just start telling truths about this "Tradition of man".
Romans 14:4-6
Who art thou that judgest another man’s servant? To his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand (beautiful, that bit). One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it.
 

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love is the right way to walk and is YHWH hoever I donst see how these verses show the "redemming of pagan practices?"
What do the feasts do?

They remind people of what God has done, right?

On Christmas, the day that the Lord Jesus Christ was born, people give each other gifts. A reminder of the Greatest Gift ever given.
 
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Many children are drawn to a false joy with presents , decorated trees , santa & his elfs. The Love you are encoraging with christmas trees , is not the Love God has taught His people. In prayer study upon these things dear.

1 John 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

Shalom
Loving Christmas is not false, and it is not worldly love. If you have been around children, you will know what I am talking about, pleasure is not necessarily worldly.
 

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What do the feasts do?

They remind people of what God has done, right?

On Christmas, the day that the Lord Jesus Christ was born, people give each other gifts. A reminder of the Greatest Gift ever given.
the Feasts of YHWH are 100% about the Messiah and have origins 100% freom YHWH in the word, and are not about worldly possessions.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1. Passover/First-fruits – Yahshua's Sacrifice(Passover), burial and resurrection (First Fruits – presenting Himself to YHWH)
2. Feast of Unleavened Bread – Removal of sin by Yahshua's perfect work as the Passover Sacrifice
3. Feast of Weeks – The blessing Holy Spirit of YHWH, coming into our lives stronger than ever

4. Feast of Trumpets – Yahshua's return and gathering of the Saints
5. Day of Atonement – Yahshua leads the army of YHWH to destroy evil rulers of this world and satan is chained for 1,000 years
6. Feast of Tabernacles – Yahshua dwells on earth for 1,000 years teaching truth and righteousness
7. The Last Great Day – satan is loosed and swiftly destroyed, the Kingdom of YHWH reigns forever
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the Feasts of YHWH are 100% about the Messiah and have origins 100% freom YHWH in the word, and are not about worldly possessions.

1. Passover/First-fruits – Yahshua's Sacrifice(Passover), burial and resurrection (First Fruits – presenting Himself to YHWH)
2. Feast of Unleavened Bread – Removal of sin by Yahshua's perfect work as the Passover Sacrifice
3. Feast of Weeks – The blessing Holy Spirit of YHWH, coming into our lives stronger than ever

4. Feast of Trumpets – Yahshua's return and gathering of the Saints
5. Day of Atonement – Yahshua leads the army of YHWH to destroy evil rulers of this world and satan is chained for 1,000 years
6. Feast of Tabernacles – Yahshua dwells on earth for 1,000 years teaching truth and righteousness
7. The Last Great Day – satan is loosed and swiftly destroyed, the Kingdom of YHWH reigns forever
Do you think there is anyone out there who is possibly celebrating these feasts without the Knowledge of what the Lord Jesus Christ has done for us?
 

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Do you think there is anyone out there who is possibly celebrating these feasts without the Knowledge of what the Lord Jesus Christ has done for us?
the Feasts of YHWH? Well they would not be properly celebrating them, beause they are about Yahshua, but yes there are people that dont accept Yahshua andare thinking they are honoring them, but again if they are about Yahshua then to deny Yahshua is to deny the meaning, purpose and focus. So while some may appear to be celebrating they in reality would not actually be celebrating them.
 

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the Feasts of YHWH? Well they would not be properly celebrating them, beause they are about Yahshua, but yes there are people that dont accept Yahshua andare thinking they are honoring them, but again if they are about Yahshua then to deny Yahshua is to deny the meaning, purpose and focus. So while some may appear to be celebrating they in reality would not actually be celebrating them.
Same with Christmas.
 

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the Feasts of YHWH? Well they would not be properly celebrating them, beause they are about Yahshua, but yes there are people that dont accept Yahshua andare thinking they are honoring them, but again if they are about Yahshua then to deny Yahshua is to deny the meaning, purpose and focus. So while some may appear to be celebrating they in reality would not actually be celebrating them.
well since all the feasts were given to Israel only, gentiles never had them, it is kind of a mute point. you know, historical facts.
 

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Same with Christmas.
except christmas does not have origins in the word and is not 100% about Messiah, there is no part of christmas that has any truth about Him or what He said.

He was not born on Dec 25th

Has nothing to do with evergreen tree

He spoke against worlly distractrions

So I dont see how it the same at all, rather very much different.

the closest thing I see to christmas in Scripture is this:

Jeremiah 10:1-6, "Hear the word which YHWH speaks concerning you, O house of Israyl. This is what YHWH says: Do not learn the way of the heathen and do not be deceived by the signs of heaven; though the heathen are deceived by them For the religious customs of the peoples are vain; worthless! For one cuts a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the ax. They decorate it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, so that it will not move; topple over. They are upright, like a palm tree, but they cannot speak; they must be carried, because they cannot go by themselves. Do not give them reverence! They cannot do evil, nor is it in them to do righteousness!"


Colossians 2:8, "Beware that no one leads you away like a prize because of philosophy or empty, false statements, according to the traditions of men, after the elements of the world, and not after the Messiah!"
 

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Romans 14:4-6
Who art thou that judgest another man’s servant? To his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand (beautiful, that bit). One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it.
Yes. Let every man be convinced in his own mind. Do we obey God and His instruction, or man and Mainstream traditions which transgress God’s Instruction.
 

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well since all the feasts were given to Israel only, gentiles never had them, it is kind of a mute point. you know, historical facts.
Except that is not Scriptually true, the Feasts were given to all children of YHWH, Israylite blood or Gentile blood:

Exodus 12:47-49, “All the congregation of Israel shall keep it. And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the Passover to יהוה, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof. One law shall be to him that is nativeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourns among you.”

1 Corinthians 5:7-8, "Therefore cleanse out the old leaven, so that you are a new lump, as you are unleavened. For also Messiah our Passover was offered for us. So then let us observe the festival, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of evil and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth."

and all in Messiah ARE ISRAYL:

Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though YHWH's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Yisra’yl who belongs to Yisra’yl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are YHWH's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."

Psalm 105:6-9, "O seed of Abraham His servant, You children of Yaaqob, His chosen ones! He is YHWH our Father! His judgments are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, the Law He commanded for a thousand generations; Which He made; ratified, established, with Abraham, and vowed by His oath to Isaac. He confirmed it; let it stand, to Yaaqob for a Law, and to Israyl for an everlasting covenant."

Galatians 3:27-29, “For as many of you as were immersed into Messiah have put on Messiah. There is not Yehuḏi nor Greek, there is not slave nor free, there is not male and female, for you are all one in Messiah יהושע. And if you are of Messiah, then you are seed of Aḇraham, and heirs according to promise.”

Psalm 89:26-37, "He will call out to Me; ‘You are my Father, O YHWH! You are the Rock of my salvation!’ And I will make Him My firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. My mercy I will keep for Him forever and My covenant will stand fast withHim. And I will establish His Seed forever, and His throne will be as the days of heaven. Should His children forsake My Law, and refuse to walk in My judgments; Should they profane My statutes, and fail to keep My commandments; Then I will punish their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with lashes from the whip. Nevertheless, My lovingkindness I will not utterly withdraw from Him, nor will I ever betray My faithfulness. My covenant I will not break, nor will I change what has gone out of My lips. Once for all, I have vowed by My holiness, I cannot lie, and I say to David; His Seed will endure forever, and his throne will endure before Me like the sun. His throne will be established forever like the moon: the faithful witness in the sky."

So either way they are for all the people in Messiah.
 

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Except that is not Scriptually true, the Feasts were given to all children of YHWH, Israylite blood or Gentile blood:

Exodus 12:47-49, “All the congregation of Israel shall keep it. And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the Passover to יהוה, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof. One law shall be to him that is nativeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourns among you.”

1 Corinthians 5:7-8, "Therefore cleanse out the old leaven, so that you are a new lump, as you are unleavened. For also Messiah our Passover was offered for us. So then let us observe the festival, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of evil and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth."

and all in Messiah ARE ISRAYL:

Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though YHWH's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Yisra’yl who belongs to Yisra’yl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are YHWH's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."

Psalm 105:6-9, "O seed of Abraham His servant, You children of Yaaqob, His chosen ones! He is YHWH our Father! His judgments are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, the Law He commanded for a thousand generations; Which He made; ratified, established, with Abraham, and vowed by His oath to Isaac. He confirmed it; let it stand, to Yaaqob for a Law, and to Israyl for an everlasting covenant."

Galatians 3:27-29, “For as many of you as were immersed into Messiah have put on Messiah. There is not Yehuḏi nor Greek, there is not slave nor free, there is not male and female, for you are all one in Messiah יהושע. And if you are of Messiah, then you are seed of Aḇraham, and heirs according to promise.”

Psalm 89:26-37, "He will call out to Me; ‘You are my Father, O YHWH! You are the Rock of my salvation!’ And I will make Him My firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. My mercy I will keep for Him forever and My covenant will stand fast withHim. And I will establish His Seed forever, and His throne will be as the days of heaven. Should His children forsake My Law, and refuse to walk in My judgments; Should they profane My statutes, and fail to keep My commandments; Then I will punish their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with lashes from the whip. Nevertheless, My lovingkindness I will not utterly withdraw from Him, nor will I ever betray My faithfulness. My covenant I will not break, nor will I change what has gone out of My lips. Once for all, I have vowed by My holiness, I cannot lie, and I say to David; His Seed will endure forever, and his throne will endure before Me like the sun. His throne will be established forever like the moon: the faithful witness in the sky."

So either way they are for all the people in Messiah.
um, no. when one comes to faith in Christ, that does make one jewish. Christianity is not a different version of judiasm.
 

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um, no. when one comes to faith in Christ, that does make one jewish. Christianity is not a different version of judiasm.
I never said anything about being jewish or judaisim. Judaisim is based on the Talmud not the OT anyway. Also you said Israyl, I sid Israyl, now it Jewish...

Im speaking Scriptual principles:

Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though YHWH's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Yisra’yl who belongs to Yisra’yl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are YHWH's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 11:1-36, "11:1, "I say then, has Yah rejected His people? Let it not be! For I also am of Yisra’yl, of the seed of Aḇraham, of the tribe of Binyamin."11:2, "Yah has not rejected His people Psa 94:14 whom He knew beforehand. Or do you not know what the Scripture says of Ěliyahu, how he pleads with Yah against Yisra’yl, saying,"11:3, "“[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], they have killed Your prophets and overthrown Your slaughter-places, and I alone am left, and they seek my life”? 1Ki 19:10, 1Ki 19:14."11:4, "But what does the answer of Yah say to him? “I have left for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Ba‛al.” 1Ki 19:18."11:5, "So therefore also, at this present time a remnant according to the choice of favour has come to be."11:6, "And if by favour, it is no longer of works, otherwise favour is no longer favour. And if it is of works, it is no longer favour, otherwise work is no longer work."11:7, "What then? Yisra’yl has not obtained what it seeks, but the chosen did obtain it, and the rest were hardened."11:8, "As it has been written, “[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]has given them a spirit of deep sleep, eyes not to see and ears not to hear, unto this day.” Deu 29:4, Isa 29:10."11:9, "Dawiḏ also says, “Let their table become for a snare, and for a trap, and for a stumbling-block and a recompense to them,"11:10, "let their eyes be darkened, not to see, and bow down their back always.” Psa 69:22-23."11:11, "I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? Let it not be! But by their fall deliverance has come to the nations, to provoke them to jealousy. Deu 32:21."11:12, "And if their fall is riches for the world, and their failure riches for the nations, how much more their completeness!"11:13, "For I speak to you, the nations, inasmuch as I am an emissary to the nations, I esteem my service,"11:14, "if somehow I might provoke to jealousy Deu 32:21 those who are my flesh and save some of them."11:15, "For if their casting away is the restoration to favour of the world, what is their acceptance but life from the dead?"11:16, "Now if the first-fruit is set-apart, the lump is also. And if the root is set-apart, so are the branches."11:17, "And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, have been grafted in among them, and came to share the root and fatness of the olive tree,"11:18, "do not boast against the branches. And if you boast, remember: you do not bear the root, but the root bears you!"11:19, "You shall say then, “The branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.”"11:20, "Good! By unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by belief. Do not be arrogant, but fear."11:21, "For if Yah did not spare the natural branches, He might not spare you either."11:22, "See then the kindness and sharpness of Yah: on those who fell sharpness, but toward you kindness, if you continue in His kindness, otherwise you also shall be cut off."11:23, "And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, shall be grafted in, for Yah is able to graft them in again."11:24, "For if you were cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and were grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree, how much more shall these who are the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?"11:25, "For I do not wish you to be ignorant of this secret, brothers, lest you should be wise in your own estimation, that hardening in part has come over Yisra’yl, until the completeness of the nationsa has come in. Footnote: aGen 48:19."11:26, "And so all Yisra’yl shall be saved, as it has been written, “The Deliverer shall come out of Tsiyon, and He shall turn away wickedness from Ya‛aqoḇ,"11:27, "and this is My covenant with them, when I take away their sins.” Isa 59:20-21."11:28, "Truly, as regards the Good News they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the choice they are beloved for the sake of the fathers."11:29, "For the gifts and the calling of Yah are not to be repented of."11:30, "For as you also at one time disobeyed Yah, but now have obtained compassion through their disobedience,"11:31, "so also these have now disobeyed, that through the compassion shown you they also might obtain compassion."11:32, "For Yah has shut them all up to disobedience, in order to have compassion on all."11:33, "Oh, the depth of riches, and wisdom and knowledge of Yah! How unsearchable His judgments and untraceable His ways!"11:34, "“For who has known the mind of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]? Or who has become His counsellor?” Isa 40:13."11:35, "“Or who first gave to Him, and it shall be given back to him?” Job 35:7, Job 41:11."11:36, "Because of Him, and through Him, and to Him, are all, to whom be esteem forever. Amĕn."[/FONT]


 

gb9

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I never said anything about being jewish or judaisim. Judaisim is based on the Talmud not the OT anyway. Also you said Israyl, I sid Israyl, now it Jewish...

Im speaking Scriptual principles:

Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though YHWH's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Yisra’yl who belongs to Yisra’yl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are YHWH's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."

Romans 11:1-36, "11:1, "I say then, has Yah rejected His people? Let it not be! For I also am of Yisra’yl, of the seed of Aḇraham, of the tribe of Binyamin."11:2, "Yah has not rejected His people Psa 94:14 whom He knew beforehand. Or do you not know what the Scripture says of Ěliyahu, how he pleads with Yah against Yisra’yl, saying,"11:3, "“יהוה, they have killed Your prophets and overthrown Your slaughter-places, and I alone am left, and they seek my life”? 1Ki 19:10, 1Ki 19:14."11:4, "But what does the answer of Yah say to him? “I have left for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Ba‛al.” 1Ki 19:18."11:5, "So therefore also, at this present time a remnant according to the choice of favour has come to be."11:6, "And if by favour, it is no longer of works, otherwise favour is no longer favour. And if it is of works, it is no longer favour, otherwise work is no longer work."11:7, "What then? Yisra’yl has not obtained what it seeks, but the chosen did obtain it, and the rest were hardened."11:8, "As it has been written, “יהוה has given them a spirit of deep sleep, eyes not to see and ears not to hear, unto this day.” Deu 29:4, Isa 29:10."11:9, "Dawiḏ also says, “Let their table become for a snare, and for a trap, and for a stumbling-block and a recompense to them,"11:10, "let their eyes be darkened, not to see, and bow down their back always.” Psa 69:22-23."11:11, "I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? Let it not be! But by their fall deliverance has come to the nations, to provoke them to jealousy. Deu 32:21."11:12, "And if their fall is riches for the world, and their failure riches for the nations, how much more their completeness!"11:13, "For I speak to you, the nations, inasmuch as I am an emissary to the nations, I esteem my service,"11:14, "if somehow I might provoke to jealousy Deu 32:21 those who are my flesh and save some of them."11:15, "For if their casting away is the restoration to favour of the world, what is their acceptance but life from the dead?"11:16, "Now if the first-fruit is set-apart, the lump is also. And if the root is set-apart, so are the branches."11:17, "And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, have been grafted in among them, and came to share the root and fatness of the olive tree,"11:18, "do not boast against the branches. And if you boast, remember: you do not bear the root, but the root bears you!"11:19, "You shall say then, “The branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.”"11:20, "Good! By unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by belief. Do not be arrogant, but fear."11:21, "For if Yah did not spare the natural branches, He might not spare you either."11:22, "See then the kindness and sharpness of Yah: on those who fell sharpness, but toward you kindness, if you continue in His kindness, otherwise you also shall be cut off."11:23, "And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, shall be grafted in, for Yah is able to graft them in again."11:24, "For if you were cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and were grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree, how much more shall these who are the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?"11:25, "For I do not wish you to be ignorant of this secret, brothers, lest you should be wise in your own estimation, that hardening in part has come over Yisra’yl, until the completeness of the nationsa has come in. Footnote: aGen 48:19."11:26, "And so all Yisra’yl shall be saved, as it has been written, “The Deliverer shall come out of Tsiyon, and He shall turn away wickedness from Ya‛aqoḇ,"11:27, "and this is My covenant with them, when I take away their sins.” Isa 59:20-21."11:28, "Truly, as regards the Good News they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the choice they are beloved for the sake of the fathers."11:29, "For the gifts and the calling of Yah are not to be repented of."11:30, "For as you also at one time disobeyed Yah, but now have obtained compassion through their disobedience,"11:31, "so also these have now disobeyed, that through the compassion shown you they also might obtain compassion."11:32, "For Yah has shut them all up to disobedience, in order to have compassion on all."11:33, "Oh, the depth of riches, and wisdom and knowledge of Yah! How unsearchable His judgments and untraceable His ways!"11:34, "“For who has known the mind of יהוה? Or who has become His counsellor?” Isa 40:13."11:35, "“Or who first gave to Him, and it shall be given back to him?” Job 35:7, Job 41:11."11:36, "Because of Him, and through Him, and to Him, are all, to whom be esteem forever. Amĕn."



well after most instructions that God gave to Moses, he said " it shall be a statue forever to the nation of Israel" . so, for one to be required to keep the festivals. and I know about the Talmud. that is not what I am talking about. I am speaking about what I said above.
 
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love is the right way to walk and is YHWH hoever I donst see how these verses show the "redemming of pagan practices?"
Allow me to finish the answer somewhat then,as Jesus said "love doeth no hurt to thy neighbor" so I believe Galatea's overall point is that,actions done of sincere love are acceptable to God though they may include things that are not necessary,such as Christmas trees,for many times did God himself give what was "unnecessary".
For example Solomon had no need of all his overwhelming wealth of gold silver and so on,but God gave it out of love to him for choosing when asked what he would desire of God,he chose of all things"wisdom and to be able to judge betwixt one another" and so God gave him what he "did not ask for" out of love,therein lies the answer to the whole of this thread,Christmas is a day exact or not representing the birth of Jesus/Immanuel(God with us),God made flesh,and despite modernizing over time one thing is to always be observed,above all else,God gave his son to this world having him born as one of us and we did not deserve such a great "Gift" and from this Giving of God's son we should always observe that Christmas is not only to represent Christ's birth but also that it's a time of not giving to please each other,but giving of ourselves because we sincerely want to,just as God gave his son for this world to have a hope of being saved.
 
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People can absolutely make Christmas entirely all about Christ, regardless of pagan traditions. Same with other holidays also. It's all in HOW you celebrate it...
 

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love is the right way to walk and is YHWH hoever I donst see how these verses show the "redemming of pagan practices?"
Allow me to finish the answer somewhat then,as Jesus said "love doeth no hurt to thy neighbor" so I believe Galatea's overall point is that,actions done of sincere love are acceptable to God though they may include things that are not necessary,such as Christmas trees,for many times did God himself give what was "unnecessary".
For example Solomon had no need of all his overwhelming wealth of gold silver and so on,but God gave it out of love to him for choosing when asked what he would desire of God,he chose of all things"wisdom and to be able to judge betwixt one another" and so God gave him what he "did not ask for" out of love,therein lies the answer to the whole of this thread,Christmas is a day exact or not representing the birth of Jesus/Immanuel(God with us),God made flesh,and despite modernizing over time one thing is to always be observed,above all else,God gave his son to this world having him born as one of us and we did not deserve such a great "Gift" and from this Giving of God's son we should always observe that Christmas is not only to represent Christ's birth but also that it's a time of not giving to please each other,but giving of ourselves because we sincerely want to,just as God gave his son for this world to have a hope of being saved.
I still don't see how this show the "redemming of pagan practices?" As was stated, also this seems like human reasoning to me, rather than Word based Creator sent truth. whenb the pharisses followed the traditions of men why thern did Yahshua/Jesus not give a similar answer to the one you did? I am not seeking to attack you in any mann I just want to illustrate, there seems to be a disconnect between the Word and human reasoning.

My main point is I doin't see anywhere in the Word about "rredemming pagan practices"

and this is a passage about: "But in vain they do worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men."

Mat 15:3-9, “But He answering, said to them, “Why do you also transgress the command of YHWH because of your tradition? For YHWH has commanded, saying, ‘Respect your father and your mother,’ ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me has been dedicated, is certainly released from respecting his father or mother.’ So you have nullified the command of YHWH by your tradition."Hypocrites! Well did Isayah (29:13-14*) prophesy of you, saying: These people draw near to Me with their mouth and honor Me with their lips, but have removed their hearts far from Me. But in vain they do worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men."

*Isayah 29:13-14, "Therefore YHWH said: Because these people draw near to Me with their mouths and honor Me with their lips, but have removed their hearts far from Me, and their reverence to Me is taught by the precept of men; Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvelous work among this people; a marvelous work and a wonder; for the wisdom of their wise men will perish, and the understanding of their prudent men, will be hid."


Yahanan (John) 4:23-24, “But the hour comes, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in Spirit and in truth; for the Father seeks just such worshipers to worship Him. YHWH is a Spirit Being; and those who worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth.”


 

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well after most instructions that God gave to Moses, he said " it shall be a statue forever to the nation of Israel" . so, for one to be required to keep the festivals. and I know about the Talmud. that is not what I am talking about. I am speaking about what I said above.
Well I condem nobody, each should pray, read the word and sek what they believe is right before the Most High IMO, however I also beleive that all in Messiah are Israyl, and as I showed earlier the verse in Exodus Gentiles were always allowed in as long as they did as YHWH said.

Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though YHWH's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Yisra’yl who belongs to Yisra’yl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are YHWH's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."
 
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Many children are drawn to a false joy with presents , decorated trees , santa & his elfs. The Love you are encoraging with christmas trees , is not the Love God has taught His people. In prayer study upon these things dear.

1 John 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

Shalom
I get what you mean,but so long as God/Jesus is focused upon and thanked,Christmas trees and presents are allowed,and much if that joy is "real",and your signature is quite right,but one must remember that though we must not "love the world and what is in it" that we are until death,"in the world" and so we will have times of stumblings or seek to be exstravagant,but so long as God/Jesus comes first then we need to not trouble our selves over such trivial luxuries.