What is the Baptism of the Holy Spirit?

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The phrase "Baptism of the Holy Spirit" is regularly bantered about in Christian circles yet I have failed to find a consensus on its nature and purpose. On such an important issue it would seem there would be a more unified understanding but the phrase seems to differ greatly between churches and even individuals.

My personal view seems to be as a sign from God of His acceptance of a person or group. It seems its nature is a physical/visual one, clearly evident by those near by. I base these thoughts on Luke 3:21-22, Acts 2:2-4 and Acts 10:44-47.

I would like to know:

1. What is its purpose?
2. Does it have a physical/visual aspect to its nature?
3 Is it just a once in a lifetime event for the Christian?
4. Should the lack of this baptism cause concern for the Christian?
5. Is this baptism the one mentioned in Ephesians 4:5?
6. Is it for today?

Thanks for reading and God bless.

 
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1. What is its purpose?
2. Does it have a physical/visual aspect to its nature?
3 Is it just a once in a lifetime event for the Christian?
4. Should the lack of this baptism cause concern for the Christian?
5. Is this baptism the one mentioned in Ephesians 4:5?
6. Is it for today?

1. To join you to Christ
2. Sometimes
3. Yes
4. Yes, if you do not have the Spirit of God you are none of His
5. No. I believe Ephesians 4:5 means water baptism, that is the most common use of the word baptism which the people understood. In Hebrews 6:2 we are told baptisms (plural) are included in the foundation doctrines of Christ
6. Yes, everyone who hears the Gospel and believes is then sealed with the Holy Spirit of Promise (Ephesians 1:13)
 

joaniemarie

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Here is an article by Pastor Andrew Wommack on this subject. I hope you find it as helpful as I did.




There are few things more controversial in the body of Christ than the baptism of the Holy Spirit and the accompanying gifts.
Much of modern-day Christianity sees the born-again experience as all there is to salvation. Many Christians oppose the belief that there is a separate experience of being filled with the Holy Spirit, and they especially oppose the validity of the gifts of the Holy Spirit for today’s believers.


That type of belief puts them in conflict with the book of Acts and the very teaching of Jesus. Those who experience the power of the Holy Spirit today are labeled as fanatics or heretics. But what does the Bible have to say? What did Jesus say about this?
On the night before Jesus’ crucifixion, He made one of the most astounding statements of His whole ministry. John 16:7 records these words:


“Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.”
Grasp what Jesus is saying! Jesus said it is more beneficial for us to have the ministry of the Holy Spirit than it was to have Jesus present with
us in His physical body!

Most Christians are totally shocked by this. They would give anything to have Jesus present in His physical body. How could anything be better than to physically see, hear, and touch Him?
Jesus knew His disciples would be shocked by His statement, so He prefaced it with the words, “I tell you the truth.” As hard as it may be to understand, the ministry of the Holy Spirit in the life of the believer is better than the earthly ministry of Jesus.


This is not to take anything away from His ministry on this earth. Without Jesus coming to the earth and accomplishing what He did, there could be no ministry of the Holy Spirit. The whole plan of God hinges on the redemptive work of Christ.
But, once His work was done, it was actually to our advantage to have Jesus return to His Father and send the Holy Spirit to take His place. Therefore, we shouldn’t lessen the preeminence of Jesus, but we should increase the importance of the Holy Spirit’s ministry.


Most Christians don’t realize how involved the Holy Spirit is in everything that the Lord does. They do not ascribe nearly enough importance to the Holy Spirit and what He is doing in the earth today. In Genesis 1:1-2, the Bible says,
“In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.”


In the beginning, God created all the elements needed for His creation. Then, everything else was formed from what had already been created. All the essential ingredients were in place. But nothing happened without the Spirit of God.
Notice specifically that the Spirit of God (the Holy Spirit) moved upon the face of the waters. The English word moved was translated from the Hebrew word “rachaph.” It literally means “to brood.” This is describing the manner of a hen sitting on her eggs to hatch them.


The Holy Spirit was brooding over the creation of God just waiting to bring forth whatever God the Father said. When the Lord said “Let there be light” (Gen. 1:3), then the power of the Holy Spirit brought that light into being. Likewise, with everything the Lord created and made, it was the power of the Holy Spirit that brought it all into existence.


God the Father conceived it. Jesus spoke it. And the Holy Spirit was the power that performed it. Everything God did in His creation was accomplished through the power of the Holy Spirit. When God the Father was ready to bring Jesus into the earth, He took the spoken Word (Jesus), the Holy Spirit brooded over Mary (a virgin), and she conceived Jesus’ physical body.


This perfectly illustrates the Trinity: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. They are one. In fact, they are so much one that they can’t operate independent of each other. They are a team. Jesus didn’t do any miracles or start His public ministry until after He had been anointed with the Holy Spirit.


If Jesus couldn’t, or wouldn’t, operate independently of the Holy Spirit, neither should we. No one can have an effective life or ministry without the power of God’s Holy Spirit working in him or her. This fact can’t be argued by anyone who truly believes the Bible is God’s Word. The Scriptures are replete with proof that it is “not by might, nor by power, but by my Spirit, saith the LORD of hosts” (Zech. 4:6).


So, why is there so much debate over this issue? The sad truth is that denial of the ministry and power of the Holy Spirit is a convenient theology. Believing that miracles and gifts of the Holy Spirit don’t operate today excuses powerless living. If it’s true that the Holy Spirit is still willing to move as in biblical times (and it is true), then there is no excuse for living lives so far removed from the victory portrayed in God’s Word.


The number one reason people resist the ministry of the Holy Spirit is because it exposes the lack of power in their lives. And once exposed, it demands a change. In an attempt to avoid responsibility for change, they change the Scriptures instead of themselves. Of course, it’s not that blatant, but there is a predisposition against the ministry of the Holy Spirit, so the Scripture is twisted to support their views.


It’s now politically correct to say that alcoholics are not responsible for their actions, depression is a chemical imbalance, and homosexuality is genetic. We’ve even had lawsuits where overweight people sue fast-food chains for their obesity. No one wants to admit that their lives are the result of their choices and actions. It’s appealing to think that someone else is at fault for their messed up lives. Sadly, the lack of personal responsibility in our society has crept into the attitudes of the church.


But, the ultimate attempt to avoid responsibility is when we place the blame on God. This goes all the way back to Adam when he said, “It’s that woman that YOU gave me” (Gen. 3). He passed the “buck” to the woman and then ultimately blamed God. But God’s judgment shows that He held Adam responsible for his own actions.


Another group of Christians willingly accept a limited ministry of the Holy Spirit as their comforter and consoler, but they still deny His miraculous power. That’s convenient, the benefits without the responsibility. These are usually the ones who also believe there isn’t a second experience with the Holy Spirit beyond being born again. They may be sincere in their beliefs, but they are sincerely wrong.


There are many clear examples in Scripture where a miraculous encounter with the Holy Spirit enabled believers to live supernatural lives. Jesus taught about two separate experiences in the believer’s life.


In John 20:28, Thomas confessed Jesus as his Lord and God. That made him “saved” according to Romans 10:9-10. Yet, the Lord told Thomas and all the disciples to tarry in Jerusalem until they received the power of the Holy Spirit (Acts 1:4). The reason Jesus told them to wait on the baptism of the Holy Spirit was because they didn’t have it yet. Look what happened to the disciples once they received that power. They were changed men.
Jesus said it this way in Acts 1:8,


“But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.”


After the Day of Pentecost, when the Holy Spirit came upon Jesus’ disciples, they were powerful. They faced persecution and death fearlessly. What made the difference? By Jesus’ own words, it was the baptism of the Holy Spirit.


In Acts 8, Philip preached to the Samaritans, and the whole city believed on Jesus and was baptized in water. They were saved. But Acts 8:15-16 says,


“Who, when they [the apostles] were come down, prayed for them [the Samaritans], that they might receive the Holy Ghost: (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus)” (brackets mine).


This is a very clear example of people being born again but still needing to receive the Holy Spirit. This can also be witnessed in Acts 19. Paul found disciples who were not baptized in the Holy Spirit. He prayed for them, and they spoke with tongues.
Spirit filled, but no tongues!


There are other believers who acknowledge a second experience with the Holy Spirit which releases power, but they refuse the part of speaking in tongues, or at least say it’s not for everyone. But the baptism of the Holy Spirit is like a pair of tennis shoes: It always comes with tongues.


I guess it’s possible to have the baptism of the Holy Spirit and not speak in tongues, but why wouldn’t you want to? If you’re afraid, don’t be! There’s no reason to fear; you’re in full control. I’m not speaking in tongues as I write this, because it’s up to me to decide when I speak in tongues. It’s the same for you. You’ll control when you speak in tongues.


Maybe there’s something else that is holding you back. I know from experience that a person whose understanding of this gift isn’t right can stifle it. I did. In my case, a denomination had instilled such fear in me that I was afraid I would get something from the devil. It wasn’t until later that I learned the Lord wouldn’t let that happen (Luke 11:13).


Whether you’re not sure or just having a problem receiving, my teaching entitled The Holy Spirit will answer your questions and set you free to receive this powerful gift. My life was completely changed when I received the Holy Spirit. If it were not for that, you would never have heard of Andrew Wommack.


Here is a little of my personal story; it may help you. In 1957 I was born again at the age of eight. I loved God and served Him to a degree, but was basically powerless. I prayed six months for my Dad to be healed, but he died when I was only twelve years old. As a young man, I was introverted, timid, and so shy I couldn’t look people in the face when talking to them.


There wasn’t any difference between me and an unbeliever in terms of visible results. If I would have been arrested for being a Christian, there wouldn’t have been enough evidence to convict me.


Then, on March 23, 1968, I received the baptism of the Holy Spirit. My life was transformed instantly. Before the baptism of the Holy Spirit, I was in fear; afterward, I was as bold as a lion (Prov. 28:1). My love for the Lord went through the roof. It wasn’t me living anymore, but Christ was living through me.


My life wasn’t perfect then and still isn’t now. But receiving the baptism of the Holy Spirit opened up a whole new, dynamic relationship with the Lord. You would never have heard of me if I hadn’t received the second work of the Holy Spirit, which the Bible calls the baptism of the Holy Spirit. It’s my desire to see you experience that same power of the Holy Spirit and the gifts that come with it.
 
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Lighthearted

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1. To join you to Christ
2. Sometimes
3. Yes
4. Yes, if you do not have the Spirit of God you are none of His
5. No. I believe Ephesians 4:5 means water baptism, that is the most common use of the word baptism which the people understood. In Hebrews 6:2 we are told baptisms (plural) are included in the foundation doctrines of Christ
6. Yes, everyone who hears the Gospel and believes is then sealed with the Holy Spirit of Promise (Ephesians 1:13)
The only thing I would add a bit differently would be #2. It can be beyond physical and visual. This is a very personal relationship between your spirit and the spirit of Christ Jesus. Our spirit is what I believe is talked about in 1 Thessalonians 5:17. Pray without ceasing. Our spirit is always in communication with the Holy Spirit! And remember that we are gifted with fruits of the Spirit...
 
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Nehemiah6

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Before getting into those details, Christians should ask themselves "What is the correct BIBLICAL term regarding this supernatural baptism -- is it "the baptism OF...." or is it "the baptism WITH..." or is it "the baptism IN..."?

The correct term is "the baptism WITH the Holy Spirit (or Holy Ghost)" where Christ Himself is the Baptizer (the one who pours out the Holy Spirit upon the one who obeys the Gospel".

I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire (Mt 3:11) [we can leave off discussing what "and with fire" means for the moment]
I would like to know: 1. What is its purpose?

The purpose is to bring about the supernatural New Birth by the power of the Spirit (Ezek 36:25-27; Tit 3:4-7).
2. Does it have a physical/visual aspect to its nature?
Not as such, although in the NT those who received the gift of the Holy Ghost sometimes spoke in tongues (although the 3,000 saved on the day of Pentecost are not shown to be speaking in tongues, but only hearing them spoken).
3 Is it just a once in a lifetime event for the Christian?
This baptism is a one-time event, and is also accompanied by the Holy Spirit baptizing the believer into the Body of Christ (1 Cor 12:12,13). However there can be many "fillings" where the Christian is totally controlled by the Holy Spirit and has boldness to witness while manifesting the fruit of the Spirit.
4. Should the lack of this baptism cause concern for the Christian?
Since this is part and parcel of the New Birth, the sinner who truly repents and believes the Gospel, receives the gift of the Holy Ghost (Acts 2:38).
5. Is this baptism the one mentioned in Ephesians 4:5?
Yes. This is that "one baptism" which makes a sinner a saint. That does not nullify water baptism in any way.
6. Is it for today?
Of course. As long as the Gospel is preached, sinners will receivec the gift of the Holy Spirit (or be baptized with the Holy Ghost) and experience th New Birth.

Note: Pentecostals and Charismatics have a totally different teaching on this, but we have to go by what the Bible reveals.
 
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mcubed

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I believe we are baptized in the Holy Spirit when we are saved and then sealed by Him. Only requirement salvation. I have been filled many times with the Holy Spirit where I have interpreted tongues in church, had a word of knowledge, and many, many times when He filled me special and I lead people to Messiah. I believe they are two separate things. And I have just spoken in tongues for Lord knows how long but if I recall years after I got saved and did all the other gifts.
 
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Now that you are saved, you should ask the Lord to baptize you with the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:4).

While it is certainly true the Holy Spirit came into your heart and life the moment of your Salvation, still, He now wishes to endure you with power from on high. Consequently, Jesus told all of His followers immediately before His Ascension, that they should "wait for the Promise of the Father" (Acts 1:4). He was speaking of being "Baptized with the Holy Spirit" (Acts 1:5).

You must understand that there is a great difference in being "born of the Spirit" than being " Baptized with the Spirit." They are two different works altogether.

To be "born of the Spirit" is that which took place at your conversion, as the Holy Spirit brought you to Christ and performed the work of regeneration within your heart and life. To be "Baptized with the Spirit" is in order that you may have Power with God (Acts 1:8). Every Believer should ask the Lord to fill them with the Holy Spirit, and expect to receive (Luke 11:13).

Now that you are being saved, moving from faith to faith, and glory to glory; God has only one way to live for Him, please Him, honor Him, bring Him glory, and receive victory. That way is: Have faith only in Jesus Christ and the Cross of Christ, i.e., Finished Work, i.e., The Blood of Jesus. The Holy Spirit that dwells in you will only help you and work in your life if your faith is maintained in this perimeter.

 

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What is the Baptism of the Holy Spirit?
You can find a short study Here that deals with that subject...
 

mailmandan

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Question: "What is the baptism of the Holy Spirit?"

Answer: The baptism of the Holy Spirit may be defined as that work whereby the Spirit of God places the believer into union with Christ and into union with other believers in the body of Christ at the moment of salvation. The baptism of the Holy Spirit was predicted by John the Baptist (Mark 1:8) and by Jesus before He ascended to heaven: “For John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit” (Acts 1:5). This promise was fulfilled on the Day of Pentecost (Acts 2:1–4); for the first time, people were permanently indwelt by the Holy Spirit, and the church had begun.

First Corinthians 12:12–13 is the central passage in the Bible regarding the baptism of the Holy Spirit: “For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink” (1 Corinthians 12:13). Notice that we “all” have been baptized by the Spirit—all believers have received the baptism, synonymous with salvation, and it is not a special experience for only a few. While Romans 6:1–4 does not mention specifically the Spirit of God, it does describe the believer’s position before God in language similar to the 1 Corinthians passage: “What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means! We died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.”

The following facts are necessary to help solidify our understanding of Spirit baptism: First, 1 Corinthians 12:13 clearly states that all have been baptized, just as all been given the Spirit to drink (the indwelling of the Spirit). Second, nowhere in Scripture are believers told to be baptized with, in or by the Spirit, or in any sense to seek the baptism of the Holy Spirit. This indicates that all believers have had this experience. Third, Ephesians 4:5 seems to refer to Spirit baptism. If this is the case, Spirit baptism is the reality for every believer, just as “one faith” and “one Father” are.

In conclusion, the baptism of the Holy Spirit does two things, 1) it joins us to the body of Christ, and 2) it actualizes our co-crucifixion with Christ. Being in His body means we are risen with Him to newness of life (Romans 6:4). We should then exercise our spiritual gifts to keep that body functioning properly as stated in the context of 1 Corinthians 12:13. Experiencing the one Spirit baptism serves as the basis for keeping the unity of the church, as in the context of Ephesians 4:5. Being associated with Christ in His death, burial, and resurrection through Spirit baptism establishes the basis for our separation from the power of indwelling sin and our walk in newness of life (Romans 6:1-10; Colossians 2:12).

https://www.gotquestions.org/Spirit-baptism.html
 

valiant

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The phrase "Baptism of the Holy Spirit" is regularly bantered about in Christian circles yet I have failed to find a consensus on its nature and purpose. On such an important issue it would seem there would be a more unified understanding but the phrase seems to differ greatly between churches and even individuals.


The phrase is literally 'the baptism in (or by) the Holy Spirit'.

In 1 Corinthians 11 we are told that we are 'baptised in one Spirit into one body and are all made to drink of one Spirit'. The first initially occurs when we come to Christ, the second occurs then and continually afterwards as we drink more and more of Him. Thus 'he who drinks of Me as the Scripture has said, out of His innermost being shall flow rivers of living water' (John 7.38-39).

That is why it was impossible to be 'baptised in the Holy Spirit' until after Christ's death and resurrection. Only then could they be united with His body. Afterwards they are to continually drink of Him.

It is the failure of new born Christians to recognise this latter fact immediately that leads many later to seek Him and their vivid experience makes them think of a 'second blessing'. But it is a further drinking of Him that they experience, a renewal in dramatic form of what they initially received, as they are again (and again) 'filled with the Holy Spirit'.

 

Nehemiah6

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The phrase is literally 'the baptism in (or by) the Holy Spirit'.

In 1 Corinthians 11 we are told that we are 'baptised in one Spirit into one body and are all made to drink of one Spirit'.
There is a big difference between being baptized BY the Holy Spirit and being baptized IN the Holy Spirit, and you will not find the second phrase in Scripture (And that is 1 Cor 12:13, not 1 Cor 11).

For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

This Scripture tells us that the Holy Spirit "immerses" (or baptizes) us into the Body of Christ, so that we become members of His Body.

But it is Christ Himself who first baptizes us WITH the Holy Ghost, by pouring out the gift of the Spirit into our souls when we receive Christ as Lord and Savior. Thus Peter said to those who were convicted by the preaching of the Gospel:

Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. (Acts 2:38).

Once a believer receives the gift of the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit indwells the believer and seals him unto the day of redemption. And it is by the power of the Spirit that Christians walk in the Spirit, thus *drinking* into one Spirit by being filled with the Spirit.
 
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Question: "What is the baptism of the Holy Spirit?"

Answer: The baptism of the Holy Spirit may be defined as that work whereby the Spirit of God places the believer into union with Christ and into union with other believers in the body of Christ at the moment of salvation. The baptism of the Holy Spirit was predicted by John the Baptist (Mark 1:8) and by Jesus before He ascended to heaven: “For John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit” (Acts 1:5). This promise was fulfilled on the Day of Pentecost (Acts 2:1–4); for the first time, people were permanently indwelt by the Holy Spirit, and the church had begun.

First Corinthians 12:12–13 is the central passage in the Bible regarding the baptism of the Holy Spirit: “For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink” (1 Corinthians 12:13). Notice that we “all” have been baptized by the Spirit—all believers have received the baptism, synonymous with salvation, and it is not a special experience for only a few. While Romans 6:1–4 does not mention specifically the Spirit of God, it does describe the believer’s position before God in language similar to the 1 Corinthians passage: “What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means! We died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.”

The following facts are necessary to help solidify our understanding of Spirit baptism: First, 1 Corinthians 12:13 clearly states that all have been baptized, just as all been given the Spirit to drink (the indwelling of the Spirit). Second, nowhere in Scripture are believers told to be baptized with, in or by the Spirit, or in any sense to seek the baptism of the Holy Spirit. This indicates that all believers have had this experience. Third, Ephesians 4:5 seems to refer to Spirit baptism. If this is the case, Spirit baptism is the reality for every believer, just as “one faith” and “one Father” are.

In conclusion, the baptism of the Holy Spirit does two things, 1) it joins us to the body of Christ, and 2) it actualizes our co-crucifixion with Christ. Being in His body means we are risen with Him to newness of life (Romans 6:4). We should then exercise our spiritual gifts to keep that body functioning properly as stated in the context of 1 Corinthians 12:13. Experiencing the one Spirit baptism serves as the basis for keeping the unity of the church, as in the context of Ephesians 4:5. Being associated with Christ in His death, burial, and resurrection through Spirit baptism establishes the basis for our separation from the power of indwelling sin and our walk in newness of life (Romans 6:1-10; Colossians 2:12).

https://www.gotquestions.org/Spirit-baptism.html
The Holy Spirit baptizes us into the Body of Christ as stated above.

Jesus Baptizes us in the Holy Spirit which is not what is described above.
 
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Question: "What is the baptism of the Holy Spirit?"

Answer: The baptism of the Holy Spirit may be defined as that work whereby the Spirit of God places the believer into union with Christ and into union with other believers in the body of Christ at the moment of salvation. The baptism of the Holy Spirit was predicted by John the Baptist (Mark 1:8) and by Jesus before He ascended to heaven: “For John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit” (Acts 1:5). This promise was fulfilled on the Day of Pentecost (Acts 2:1–4); for the first time, people were permanently indwelt by the Holy Spirit, and the church had begun.

First Corinthians 12:12–13 is the central passage in the Bible regarding the baptism of the Holy Spirit: “For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink” (1 Corinthians 12:13). Notice that we “all” have been baptized by the Spirit—all believers have received the baptism, synonymous with salvation, and it is not a special experience for only a few. While Romans 6:1–4 does not mention specifically the Spirit of God, it does describe the believer’s position before God in language similar to the 1 Corinthians passage: “What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means! We died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.”

The following facts are necessary to help solidify our understanding of Spirit baptism: First, 1 Corinthians 12:13 clearly states that all have been baptized, just as all been given the Spirit to drink (the indwelling of the Spirit). Second, nowhere in Scripture are believers told to be baptized with, in or by the Spirit, or in any sense to seek the baptism of the Holy Spirit. This indicates that all believers have had this experience. Third, Ephesians 4:5 seems to refer to Spirit baptism. If this is the case, Spirit baptism is the reality for every believer, just as “one faith” and “one Father” are.

In conclusion, the baptism of the Holy Spirit does two things, 1) it joins us to the body of Christ, and 2) it actualizes our co-crucifixion with Christ. Being in His body means we are risen with Him to newness of life (Romans 6:4). We should then exercise our spiritual gifts to keep that body functioning properly as stated in the context of 1 Corinthians 12:13. Experiencing the one Spirit baptism serves as the basis for keeping the unity of the church, as in the context of Ephesians 4:5. Being associated with Christ in His death, burial, and resurrection through Spirit baptism establishes the basis for our separation from the power of indwelling sin and our walk in newness of life (Romans 6:1-10; Colossians 2:12).

https://www.gotquestions.org/Spirit-baptism.html
Sorry bro, but Charles Stanley is incorrect.
As soon as Jesus died, the New Covenant was in effect, & they received salvation right then & there. The upper room experience was days later on the day of Pentecost.
Two separate things.
 

mailmandan

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The Holy Spirit baptizes us into the Body of Christ as stated above.

Jesus Baptizes us in the Holy Spirit which is not what is described above.
Why don't you explain the difference, if there is a difference.

The term "baptize with the Holy Spirit" occurs multiple times in the Bible:

Matt. 3:11, "As for me, I baptize you with water for repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, and I am not fit to remove His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire."

Mark 1:8, "I baptized you with water; but He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit."

Luke 3:16, "John answered and said to them all, 'As for me, I baptize you with water; but One is coming who is mightier than I, and I am not fit to untie the thong of His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire."

John 1:33, "I did not know Him, but He who sent me to baptize with water said to me, ‘Upon whom you see the Spirit descending, and remaining on Him, this is He who baptizes with the Holy Spirit."

Acts 1:5, "for John baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now."

Acts 11:16, "And I remembered the word of the Lord, how He used to say, 'John baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit."

This is true for ALL believers: 1 Corinthians 12:13 - For by one Spirit we were ALL baptized into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink into one Spirit.
 

mailmandan

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Sorry bro, but Charles Stanley is incorrect.
As soon as Jesus died, the New Covenant was in effect, & they received salvation right then & there. The upper room experience was days later on the day of Pentecost.
Two separate things.
Sorry, but Charles Stanley was not specifically mentioned in this article.

I noticed a Recommended Resource: The Wonderful Spirit-Filled Life by Charles Stanley.

Is this what you are referring to? Did you read his book? I have not read that book and his views are not what's being discussed, but the scriptures at hand in the article.
 

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Why don't you explain the difference, if there is a difference.

The term "baptize with the Holy Spirit" occurs multiple times in the Bible
The Pentecostals and Charismatics have introduced the confusion into this doctrine by constantly referring to "the baptism IN the Holy Spirit"(meaning speaking glossolalia). Now Christians are using this phrase and causing confusion.

The Bible presents a different picture. When Christ baptizes a believer WITH the Holy Ghost, He gives to the sinner the gift of the Holy Spirit, who then regenerates the sinner and makes him a saint (Tit 3:4-7).

At the same time, the indwelling Holy Spirit given to that person "baptizes" or immerses or places that individual into the invisible Body of Christ (all redeemed Jews and Gentiles in one Body). So this is simultaneous, although on one hand Christ is the Baptizer, and on the other hand the Holy Spirit is the Baptizer.

As to the "baptism IN the Holy Spirit" that is a teaching reserved for those who believe that anyone who is "Spirit-filled" must also speak in "tongues" . Which automatically creates "first-class" Christians (Spirit-filled) and "second class" Christians (not Spirit-filled).

However, any Christian who is truly Spirit-filled will not violate Scripture. Yet the ones claiming to be Spirit-filled do so all the time, in many different ways.
 
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Sorry, but Charles Stanley was not specifically mentioned in this article.

I noticed a Recommended Resource: The Wonderful Spirit-Filled Life by Charles Stanley.

Is this what you are referring to? Did you read his book? I have not read that book and his views are not what's being discussed, but the scriptures at hand in the article.
Ummm... the "reccommended resource" is the book from which the answer came.
I listened to Stanley for years, so yeah, I "know" his views.
 
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Why don't you explain the difference, if there is a difference.

The term "baptize with the Holy Spirit" occurs multiple times in the Bible:

Matt. 3:11, "As for me, I baptize you with water for repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, and I am not fit to remove His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire."

Mark 1:8, "I baptized you with water; but He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit."

Luke 3:16, "John answered and said to them all, 'As for me, I baptize you with water; but One is coming who is mightier than I, and I am not fit to untie the thong of His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire."

John 1:33, "I did not know Him, but He who sent me to baptize with water said to me, ‘Upon whom you see the Spirit descending, and remaining on Him, this is He who baptizes with the Holy Spirit."

Acts 1:5, "for John baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now."

Acts 11:16, "And I remembered the word of the Lord, how He used to say, 'John baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit."

This is true for ALL believers: 1 Corinthians 12:13 - For by one Spirit we were ALL baptized into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink into one Spirit.
You are on the right track, keep studying it out.
 
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The Pentecostals and Charismatics have introduced the confusion into this doctrine by constantly referring to "the baptism IN the Holy Spirit"(meaning speaking glossolalia). Now Christians are using this phrase and causing confusion.

The Bible presents a different picture. When Christ baptizes a believer WITH the Holy Ghost, He gives to the sinner the gift of the Holy Spirit, who then regenerates the sinner and makes him a saint (Tit 3:4-7).

At the same time, the indwelling Holy Spirit given to that person "baptizes" or immerses or places that individual into the invisible Body of Christ (all redeemed Jews and Gentiles in one Body). So this is simultaneous, although on one hand Christ is the Baptizer, and on the other hand the Holy Spirit is the Baptizer.

As to the "baptism IN the Holy Spirit" that is a teaching reserved for those who believe that anyone who is "Spirit-filled" must also speak in "tongues" . Which automatically creates "first-class" Christians (Spirit-filled) and "second class" Christians (not Spirit-filled).

However, any Christian who is truly Spirit-filled will not violate Scripture. Yet the ones claiming to be Spirit-filled do so all the time, in many different ways.
Tongues has never been the evidence of Jesus Baptizing us in the Holy Ghost, it is the love of God shed abroad in our hearts.

The Holy Ghost comes within for character[fruit and comes upon n us for ministry[grace gifts and his own gifts in 1 Cor 12]

When Jesus breathed on the disciples the Holy Ghost was coming within, the day of Pentecost Jesus Baptized them into the Holy Ghost and he came upon them.

Look for the 2 keywords found in the scriptures to understand the 2 fold ministry of the Holy Ghost in the believer when Jesus blew on them and at Pentecost. Those 2 keywords are WITHIN AND UPON!
 

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Ummm... the "reccommended resource" is the book from which the answer came.
I listened to Stanley for years, so yeah, I "know" his views.
I didn’t realize that, since I did not read Stanley’s book. So what are your anti-Stanley views?