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    "Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;" NIV

    "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:" KJV
    What is the form of God?

    God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

    Spirit has no form as have natural things.

    Therefore, the form of God referred to in the verse above is spirit.

    "Thought it not" means that Jesus Christ never thought it, not once, not ever.
    What did Jesus never think?
    Jesus never thought "it robbery to be equal with God."
    That is to say, that Jesus didn't think like Satan, and his rebel angels thought. They thought they could steal the authority of God and by taking his throne.
    Jesus never thought he was equal with God, his Father.
    But some of you think you can authorize yourselves as equal to the task of editing God's written word. Of course in that pursuit the same pretense God's written word doesn't exist on earth anymore.

    The niv is stating that Jesus was equal to God, his Father, which can't be.

    When the niv states that Jesus "did not consider equality with God something to be used" it is claiming that Jesus did consider himself his Father's equal but, didn't think his equality with God was something to use to his own advantage.

    After this the niv gets worse, in that it claims that Jesus became nothing at all, which is not only impossible, but absurdly so, if thought true, as some apparently think.
    And if you think Jesus Christ became nothing, then you agree with the spirit of antichrist, that spirit that denies the Jesus Christ came in the flesh.

    Then the niv claims that Jesus didn't appear in the form of a servant, but took on the nature of a servant, as thought Jesus Christ didn't already serve God in heaven as the Word.

    Whereas the the Holy Bible informs you that Jesus' took on the form of a servant, meaning that he appeared among his brethren as a man servant, as one that washes his brethren feet for an example.

    The niv is rotten to its core and you geniuses can't read English, much less, translate anything.

    What matters is not how well you claim you can translate, which you absolutely can't honestly do. But rather, can you tell the truth about Jesus Christ, confess your lies about him, and repent?

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    Quote Originally Posted by James37 View Post
    I would like to share some information concerning the King James Bible if anyone is interested. This information concerns proof that the King James Bible is the word of God preserved for us in the English.
    I am just glad that I can get any copy of the bible in English, that is a miracle in itself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joseppi View Post
    God is a Spirit...
    Spirit has no form...

    Therefore, the form of God referred to in the verse above is spirit.
    There is no logic in your thought chain.

    Quote Originally Posted by Joseppi View Post
    Jesus never thought he was equal with God, his Father.
    ....The niv is stating that Jesus was equal to God, his Father, which can't be.
    The verse is about equality in deity. Clearly.

    You are trying to dance around to push your agenda, but its not worthy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterJames View Post
    Now I'm no expert in Greek or Hebrew and perhaps you are an expert in Greek or Hebrew.

    I'm *also not* a worshiper of the KJV; but do you mean to tell me that 50+ translators together couldn't figure out that "by very nature God" would be better than "form of God". That is 50+ experts in Greek, Latin, and some of them Hebrew? I'm sure this was a point of discussion amongst them, so I hesitate to claim the KJV is 'definitively' expressing, less, that Jesus is God. Even if BOTH OF US were experts in Greek and Hebrew, I'd still hesitate since we haven't personally pulled off a translation yet.

    well, there were more than 100 translators of the NIV. so you'd be telling me twice as many experts in Greek, Latin, Hebrew etc. couldn't figure out that "in the form of God" was absolutely, perfectly, unquestionably, purely the best way to express it.

    see? those numbers are meaningless, 50, 100, 500, whatever. it's no kind of argument, bring it to the extremes and it's absurd in its conclusion.

    the construction of the tower of Babel, and the judgement of it happened. that's an important fact. and the most important fact, is that Christ is I AM - in every confounded tongue of mankind. ((re: Genesis 11:7))
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joseppi View Post
    What is the form of God?

    God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

    Spirit has no form as have natural things.

    Therefore, the form of God referred to in the verse above is spirit.

    "Thought it not" means that Jesus Christ never thought it, not once, not ever.
    What did Jesus never think?
    Jesus never thought "it robbery to be equal with God."
    That is to say, that Jesus didn't think like Satan, and his rebel angels thought. They thought they could steal the authority of God and by taking his throne.
    Jesus never thought he was equal with God, his Father.
    But some of you think you can authorize yourselves as equal to the task of editing God's written word. Of course in that pursuit the same pretense God's written word doesn't exist on earth anymore.

    The niv is stating that Jesus was equal to God, his Father, which can't be.

    When the niv states that Jesus "did not consider equality with God something to be used" it is claiming that Jesus did consider himself his Father's equal but, didn't think his equality with God was something to use to his own advantage.

    After this the niv gets worse, in that it claims that Jesus became nothing at all, which is not only impossible, but absurdly so, if thought true, as some apparently think.
    And if you think Jesus Christ became nothing, then you agree with the spirit of antichrist, that spirit that denies the Jesus Christ came in the flesh.

    Then the niv claims that Jesus didn't appear in the form of a servant, but took on the nature of a servant, as thought Jesus Christ didn't already serve God in heaven as the Word.

    Whereas the the Holy Bible informs you that Jesus' took on the form of a servant, meaning that he appeared among his brethren as a man servant, as one that washes his brethren feet for an example.

    The niv is rotten to its core and you geniuses can't read English, much less, translate anything.

    What matters is not how well you claim you can translate, which you absolutely can't honestly do. But rather, can you tell the truth about Jesus Christ, confess your lies about him, and repent?

    Jesus Christ is never not God


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    ye shall die in your sins.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joseppi View Post
    Jesus never thought he was equal with God, his Father.
    you really ought to read John 5:18.

    in fact, you really ought to read all of John =\

    in fact in fact, you ought to believe.
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    Joseppi,
    Why did they execute Jesus? What was the charge?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joseppi View Post

    What matters is not how well you claim you can translate, which you absolutely can't honestly do. But rather, can you tell the truth about Jesus Christ, confess your lies about him, and repent?

    Let's apply that to you then shall we? What pray tell in your worshipful King James Bible leads you to the heretical conclusion that Jesus is NOT God? You see the King James English CAN at times sound as though it's saying the opposite to what it actually means. So, demonstrate please, with scripture how Jesus Christ is NOT God.
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    So, readers do you think that the niv is God's written word, or is it a newly invented version of the devil?

    As I said, compare, and the truth becomes evident.

    Jesus didn't say that intellect is the problem. He said, that blindness is the problem. Intellect can't cover up a lie. Satan can't do which is why he hides in darkness to make himself appear to be brightEr than he actually is.
    Jesus is the only begotten Son of God, he is not his own Father. The Father is above the Son.

    And nature is a elemental thing applicable to beasts not to God. Beasts obey their instincts, whereas, God is free.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joseppi View Post
    So, readers do you think that the niv is God's written word, or is it a newly invented version of the devil?

    As I said, compare, and the truth becomes evident.

    Jesus didn't say that intellect is the problem. He said, that blindness is the problem. Intellect can't cover up a lie. Satan can't do which is why he hides in darkness to make himself appear to be brightEr than he actually is.
    Jesus is the only begotten Son of God, he is not his own Father. The Father is above the Son.

    And nature is a elemental thing applicable to beasts not to God. Beasts obey their instincts, whereas, God is free.
    1. By Being Gods begotten, that makes him God.
    2. No one said he was the father, so using this argument does nto support your cause.
    3. Jesus was and is the god of Isreal. The I AM of Isreal (moses) the Lord of Isreal. The one who lobbed Isreal. The one who protected her and punished her.


    Is 48: Listen to Me, O Jacob,And Israel, My called:
    I am He, I am the First,
    I am also the Last.

    13 Indeed My hand has laid the foundation of the earth,
    And My right hand has stretched out the heavens;
    When I call to them,
    They stand up together.


    14 “All of you, assemble yourselves, and hear!
    Who among them has declared these things?
    The Lord loves him;
    He shall do His pleasure on Babylon,
    And His arm shall be against the Chaldeans.
    15 I, even I, have spoken;
    Yes, I have called him,
    I have brought him, and his way will prosper.
    16 Come near to Me, hear this:
    I have not spoken in secret from the beginning;
    From the time that it was, I was there.
    And now the Lord God and His Spirit
    Have[a] sent Me.”


    17 Thus says the Lord, your Redeemer,
    The Holy One of Israel:
    “I am the Lord your God,
    Who teaches you to profit,
    Who leads you by the way you should go.


    If this creator, this one who loves Israel. if this Lord and redeemer, who leads isreal Was SENT BY THE FATHER AND THE SPIRIT.

    who then is he? (PS, He is not the father)
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    Quote Originally Posted by eternally-gratefull View Post
    By Being Gods begotten, that makes him God.
    Jesus is God's only begotten Son.
    The Son is not equal in authority to his Father.

    Your arguing with a strawman, not me.
    I know who Jesus of Nazareth is, he is Word of God made flesh.
    And I know God is the Spirit.
    The scripture can't be broken. There is a God head.
    Jesus worships God.

    Its the niv that claims that Jesus was equal to God his Father. And yet, bound by his nature, such that, the niv claims Jesus didn't have the nature of a servant until he took on the nature of a servant when he became a man.
    The niv is nutty fruitcake nonsense. It isn't God's holy bible at all.

    Hear O Israel, the Lord thy God, is one Lord.

    Not One God.

    God isn't a math problem.
    Jesus submitted his own will to God, his Father, in the garden. JJesus did not submit himself to himself but to his Father, whom Jesus obeyed when he xra k the cup instead of letting it pass.

    The niv is false and blasphemes Jesus Christ. In the name of promoting casual readership. That's how it makes money by being comfy and nice to readers lacking rigor in their studies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eternally-gratefull View Post
    By Being Gods begotten, that makes him God.
    Jesus is God's only begotten Son.
    The Son is not equal in authority to his Father.

    You are arguing with a strawman, not me.
    I know who Jesus of Nazareth is, he is Word of God made flesh.
    And I know God is the Spirit.
    The scripture can't be broken. There is a God head.
    And, Jesus submits and worships God.

    Its the niv that claims that Jesus was equal to God his Father. And yet, the niv teaches Jesus is bound by his nature, such that, the niv claims, Jesus didn't have the nature of a servant until he took on the nature of a servant when he became a man.

    The niv is nutty fruitcake nonsense. It isn't God's holy bible at all.

    Hear O Israel, the Lord thy God, is one Lord.

    Not One God. Not, God is One.

    God isn't a math problem.
    Jesus submitted his own will to God, his Father, in the garden. Jesus did not submit himself to himself but to his Father, whom Jesus obeyed when he drank the cup, instead of letting it pass.

    The niv is false and blasphemes Jesus Christ.
    And it does so in the name of promoting casual readership. That's how it makes money, by trying to be popular by being comfy and nice to readers lacking rigor in their studies.

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    The niv says Peace on earth to men of good will. That's a lie.
    There's no such men on earth. It is God that offers his goodwill towards men. Men have to be born again to become good.

    The niv says that God confused the languages at Ban.
    That is a lie.
    There Isn't anything confusing about languages. Its the opposite, that languages are the means of clarity in communication and the end of confusion.

    King James English is English not a language so difficult that antikjvonlyist can't handle. Get a brain and don't wimp out when God requires you to rise to his level of rigorous precision in communication if God's truth.

    The niv doesn't say Jesus is God's only begotten Son.
    The niv says that Jesus is God's only Son.
    The capital "s" is the only thing remotely related to properly presenting who Jesus of Nazareth is that the niv presents.
    Its a pathetic book with not enough sheeps clothing applied to it by its wolfish translators.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joseppi View Post
    Jesus is God's only begotten Son.
    The Son is not equal in authority to his Father.
    No one said it did, Even jesus said he did not work as his own authority but by his fathers word.

    Your arguing with a strawman, not me.
    I know who Jesus of Nazareth is, he is Word of God made flesh.
    And I know God is the Spirit.
    The scripture can't be broken. There is a God head.
    Jesus worships God.

    Its the niv that claims that Jesus was equal to God his Father. And yet, bound by his nature, such that, the niv claims Jesus didn't have the nature of a servant until he took on the nature of a servant when he became a man.
    The niv is nutty fruitcake nonsense. It isn't God's holy bible at all.

    Hear O Israel, the Lord thy God, is one Lord.

    Not One God.

    God isn't a math problem.
    Jesus submitted his own will to God, his Father, in the garden. JJesus did not submit himself to himself but to his Father, whom Jesus obeyed when he xra k the cup instead of letting it pass.

    The niv is false and blasphemes Jesus Christ. In the name of promoting casual readership. That's how it makes money by being comfy and nice to readers lacking rigor in their studies.
    So who created the world? WHO was the God or Isreal? You did not answer the questions. You blaimed for using a strawman, but you then used on yourself. He submitted his will to the father when he chose to lay aside his diety and become man also. DOes that mean he is not god? Maybe you need to figure out what and who god is. And what makes them god..

    When did this become an NIV argument? I was never arguing for the NIV, so another strawman..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joseppi View Post
    So, readers do you think that the niv is God's written word, or is it a newly invented version of the devil?
    Neither.

    The same with the KJV. KJv is not a version of devil, but still it is not God's written word in every word or even verse.

    Its a false ditochotmy you KJVO guys invented.

    But I think that NIV is a better translation than KJV.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eternally-gratefull View Post
    No one said it did, Even jesus said he did not work as his own authority but by his fathers word.



    [COLOR=#000080][B]So who created the world? WHO was the God or Isreal? You did not answer the questions. You blaimed for using a strawman, but you then used on yourself. He submitted his will to the father when he chose to lay aside his diety and become man also. DOes that mean he is not god? Maybe you need to figure out what and who god is. And what makes them god..

    When did this become an NIV argument? I was never arguing for the NIV, so another strawman..
    You can babble and accuse and whatever, but, I have said that the way a reader knows that the modern versions are perversions of truth is by straightforward comparison of the modern bibles to the Holy Bible.

    The modern version lovers try to defend their perverted bibles by presenting their useless personal opinions, cartoons, gaffs and any other silly, googled tacticthey can use to avoid any real comparison of their cultic bibles.

    What you aren't noticing is that you don't understand what I have said. And are wanting me to defend your version of what you think or wish I said.

    I am aimed at exposing the corruption in modern bibles. I'm not on thread to discuss philosophical ideas people have about theological questions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joseppi View Post
    So, readers do you think that the niv is God's written word, or is it a newly invented version of the devil?

    As I said, compare, and the truth becomes evident.
    Two fallacies in two lines... would you like to try for a hat trick next time?

    The first is a false dichotomy, and the second involves a missing standard. Simply comparing one to the other only highlights differences, but can never determine which is correct. The KJV is not the standard of accuracy and completeness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joseppi View Post
    I am aimed at exposing the corruption in modern bibles. I'm not on thread to discuss philosophical ideas people have about theological questions.
    Given that the KJV is a modern bible, you should start with exposing the corruption therein.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eternally-gratefull View Post
    1. By Being Gods begotten, that makes him God.
    2. No one said he was the father, so using this argument does nto support your cause.
    3. Jesus was and is the god of Isreal. The I AM of Isreal (moses) the Lord of Isreal. The one who lobbed Isreal. The one who protected her and punished her.


    Is 48: Listen to Me, O Jacob,And Israel, My called:
    I am He, I am the First,
    I am also the Last.

    13 Indeed My hand has laid the foundation of the earth,
    And My right hand has stretched out the heavens;
    When I call to them,
    They stand up together.


    14 “All of you, assemble yourselves, and hear!
    Who among them has declared these things?
    The Lord loves him;
    He shall do His pleasure on Babylon,
    And His arm shall be against the Chaldeans.
    15 I, even I, have spoken;
    Yes, I have called him,
    I have brought him, and his way will prosper.
    16 Come near to Me, hear this:
    I have not spoken in secret from the beginning;
    From the time that it was, I was there.
    And now the Lord God and His Spirit
    Have[a] sent Me.”


    17 Thus says the Lord, your Redeemer,
    The Holy One of Israel:
    “I am the Lord your God,
    Who teaches you to profit,
    Who leads you by the way you should go.


    If this creator, this one who loves Israel. if this Lord and redeemer, who leads isreal Was SENT BY THE FATHER AND THE SPIRIT.

    who then is he? (PS, He is not the father)
    I would say that Jesus is the Word of God, manifested in human form. God "spoke" the world into existence.... the word tells us that nothing was created that Jesus did not create.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trofimus View Post
    But I think that NIV is a better translation than KJV.
    Which is why opinion is useless in establishing truth and is a waste of time hearing about.

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