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    Is "was made" the same as "became?"
    Can you readers note the difference?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Musicus View Post

    John 1:14 KJV
    And the Word[Jesus] was made flesh and dwelt among us. (and we beheld his [Jesus] glory, the glory as of the only begotten [Jesus] of the Father), full of grace and truth.

    John 1:14 NIV
    The Word[Jesus] became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his [Jesus] glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
    Quote Originally Posted by Joseppi View Post
    Is "was made" the same as "became?"
    Can you readers note the difference?
    Of course I can see the difference. The KJV suggests that Jesus was made, as though He were a created being! That's terrible! Throw that corrupt abomination in the rubbish bin where it belongs!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dino246 View Post
    Of course I can see the difference. The KJV suggests that Jesus was made, as though He were a created being! That's terrible! Throw that corrupt abomination in the rubbish bin where it belongs!


    Jesus earthly body was created, and he entered that body. What is so difficult to understand? The KJV says he was God, and that then he was made man,
    Eternally Grateful for the grace God has shown a wretched soul such as myself.

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    why is the KJV always presented as the official protestant bible? why was the Geneva bible skipped over for the KJV?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joseppi View Post
    Is "was made" the same as "became?"
    Can you readers note the difference?
    So...you're a JW?
    People are offended that God is God.

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    Open Theism and Molinism, two inept theological camps, do err in this sense; God doesn't have an R&D department, He does all things perfectly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eternally-gratefull View Post
    Jesus earthly body was created, and he entered that body. What is so difficult to understand? The KJV says he was God, and that then he was made man,
    Psst... hyooomrrr.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joseppi View Post
    Is "was made" the same as "became?"
    Can you readers note the difference?
    Yes, we can note the difference.

    Another example of wrong translation in the KJV.

    Καὶ ὁ λόγος σὰρξ ἐγένετο

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    gínomai – properly, to emerge, become, transitioning from one point (realm, condition) to another.
    Do not be worried about many things - only one thing is needed (Lk 10:41-42).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nehemiah6 View Post
    The Jehovah's Witnesses and other cultists and heterodox people also study the Bible for many years yet persist in their delusions. It like you have several delusions also, so you have two options (a) start afresh or (b) persist in delusions.
    The quote above is from Nehemiah 6 on a different thread.


    I tried to speak some sense to this very confused person (DJ777) at length yesterday. (different thread) He claims to have picked up the idea that Jesus is not God from reading the KJV. He made a big show of calling other translations corrupt and man made. Does this sound familiar? He was banned after repeatedly denying the deity of Jesus.



    Quote Originally Posted by DJ777 View Post
    Reading the word continually is most important, that is just reading large sections at a time. Like reading 5-10 chapters at once.
    Make sure your reading the king James version as it's most accurate on word translation.
    Stay away from the likes of the message bible or the NLT bible as they are WRONG. I've researched this and many many verses are totally wrong.
    It's only as you read the word over and over that you get it in your spirit and it becomes a part of you. Only then will your relationship with God grow to where it should be.
    I know this to be true from experience.

    This KJVO movement is a dangerous heresy. It's leading people from one error into another one much worse.
    Ezekiel 36
    *Then they will know that I am the Lord*




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    Quote Originally Posted by trofimus View Post
    Yes, we can note the difference.

    Another example of wrong translation in the KJV.

    Καὶ ὁ λόγος σὰρξ ἐγένετο

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    gínomai – properly, to emerge, become, transitioning from one point (realm, condition) to another.
    Become: come into being.
    Became: past of become.

    Therefore, the niv lied about the Word

    The Word was in the beginning, the was with God in the beginning, and the Word was God.

    Made: formed, as by some process.

    The Word was made flesh.

    Which is the truth about the Word.

    Go back to Philipians 2 and read the difference between what the truth in the Holy Bible is as compared to the lie the niv tells.

    In Philipians 2 the niv lies and says that Jesus Christ became nothing.
    That is a absurd statement.

    Do you readers not realize that the poison inserted in the niv is deadly? Its not in the niv to bless or edify you. Its the poisonous venom of the serpent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joseppi View Post
    Become: come into being.
    Became: past of become.

    Therefore, the niv lied about the Word

    The Word was in the beginning, the was with God in the beginning, and the Word was God.

    Made: formed, as by some process.

    The Word was made flesh.

    Which is the truth about the Word.

    Go back to Philipians 2 and read the difference between what the truth in the Holy Bible is as compared to the lie the niv tells.

    In Philipians 2 the niv lies and says that Jesus Christ became nothing.
    That is a absurd statement.

    Do you readers not realize that the poison inserted in the niv is deadly? Its not in the niv to bless or edify you. Its the poisonous venom of the serpent.
    You are trying sooo hard...

    But whenever you try attack other translations, it returns more heavily against the KJV. Simply because the KJV is not as good as you believe.
    Do not be worried about many things - only one thing is needed (Lk 10:41-42).

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    The Holy Bible tells its readers the truths of God.
    The delusions that some people have Isn't due to the Holy Bible text.
    Unbelief towards God is the reason man falls away from truth and believes a lie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trofimus View Post
    You are trying sooo hard...

    But whenever you try attack other translations, it returns more heavily against the KJV. Simply because the KJV is not as good as you believe.
    Opinion is worthless, but what is written of God in his Holy Book of scripture is more valuable than gold and jewels and the opinions of men.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joseppi View Post

    King James English is English not a language so difficult that antikjvonlyist can't handle. Get a brain and don't wimp out when God requires you to rise to his level of rigorous precision in communication if God's truth.
    And yet ............

    Philipians 2:6 King James Version
    "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God"

    You managed to come up with this........

    Quote Originally Posted by Joseppi View Post


    "Thought it not" means that Jesus Christ never thought it, not once, not ever.

    What did Jesus never think?
    Jesus never thought "it robbery to be equal with God."
    That is to say, that Jesus didn't think like Satan, and his rebel angels thought. They thought they could steal the authority of God and by taking his throne.
    Jesus never thought he was equal with God, his Father.
    But some of you think you can authorize yourselves as equal to the task of editing God's written word. Of course in that pursuit the same pretense God's written word doesn't exist on earth anymore.

    The niv is stating that Jesus was equal to God, his Father, which can't be.

    What matters is not how well you claim you can translate, which you absolutely can't honestly do. But rather, can you tell the truth about Jesus Christ, confess your lies about him, and repent?
    It's time to get honest and repent Joseppi.

    You have clearly proven that YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND King James English. You have interpreted this verse to mean the OPPOSITE to what it is saying. I warned you of this before. You don't have a magic translator chip in your brain. Consult a KJV reader like Nehemiah 6 over this if you wish.
    But stop repeating myths.

    "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God"



    Ezekiel 36
    *Then they will know that I am the Lord*




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    In Philipians 2 the niv lies and says that Jesus Christ became nothing.
    That is a absurd statement.
    The only place that it would make a difference is in your blinders-on, narrow-minded, obsessive-compulsive world, where you cannot see truth even when it is plainly explained by brothers and sisters who CAN see it.

    Saying that Jesus "became nothing" is in reference to his previous state of being a spiritual entity in the Godhead.

    When you become physical, instead of God's spoken Word, you have become "nothing" in comparison.

    Take off your blinders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucy-Pevensie View Post
    And yet ............
    Philipians 2:6 King James Version
    "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God"

    You managed to come up with this........

    It's time to get honest and repent Joseppi.

    You have clearly proven that YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND King James English. You have interpreted this verse to mean the OPPOSITE to what it is saying. I warned you of this before. You don't have a magic translator chip in your brain. Consult a KJV reader like Nehemiah 6 over this if you wish.
    But stop repeating myths.

    "Who, being in the form of God, [B]thought it not robbery to be equal with God"
    no comment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hornetguy View Post
    Saying that Jesus "became nothing" is in reference to his previous state of being a spiritual entity in the Godhead.
    A entity, including a spiritual one, exists.
    Jesus Christ didn't become nothing, to then become something else.
    Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever.
    He that denies that Jesus Christ came in the flesh is antichrist.


    When you become physical, instead of God's spoken Word, you have become "nothing" in comparison.
    You invented the notion that "the Word" refers to the spoken word.

    The reason "word" is capitalized in referring to Jesus Christ, before he was manifest in the flesh, is because "the Word" is a person, whom we now know, by revelation of God, as Jesus Christ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joseppi View Post
    Become: come into being.
    Became: past of become.

    Therefore, the niv lied about the Word

    The Word was in the beginning, the was with God in the beginning, and the Word was God.

    Made: formed, as by some process.

    The Word was made flesh.

    Which is the truth about the Word.

    Go back to Philipians 2 and read the difference between what the truth in the Holy Bible is as compared to the lie the niv tells.

    In Philipians 2 the niv lies and says that Jesus Christ became nothing.
    That is a absurd statement.

    Do you readers not realize that the poison inserted in the niv is deadly? Its not in the niv to bless or edify you. Its the poisonous venom of the serpent.
    You would do well not to make up your own definitions for important words. Given the definition below, your fear-mongering is baseless. Here is how a real dictionary (Oxford) defines "become":

    verb (became, becomes, becoming)1 no object, with complement Begin to be.
    ‘she became angry and sulked all day’

    change gradually, transmute, turn, go

    • 1.1 Grow to be; develop into. ‘the child will become an adult’


    • come to be, get to be, turn out to be, grow, get, turn
    • 1.2 (of a person) qualify or be accepted as. ‘she wanted to become a doctor’

      be appointed as, be assigned as, be nominated, be elected as, be made
    • 1.3 become of (in questions) happen to. ‘what would become of her now?’

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joseppi View Post
    Is "was made" the same as "became?"
    Can you readers note the difference?
    The end result is the same.

    And the Word [Jesus] > flesh.
    And this is the verdict: The Light has come into the world, but men loved the darkness rather than the Light, because their deeds were evil. John 3:19

    Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. John 8:12

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joseppi View Post
    Is "was made" the same as "became?"
    Can you readers note the difference?

    make
    māk/
    verb
    past tense: made; past participle: made

    • 1.
      form (something) by putting parts together or combining substances; construct; create.
      "my grandmother made a dress for me"
      synonyms: construct, build, assemble, put together, manufacture, produce, fabricate, create, form, fashion, model "he makes models"

      antonyms: destroy
      • alter something so that it forms or constitutes (something else).
        "buffalo's milk can be made into cheese"
      • compose, prepare, or draw up (something written or abstract).
        "she made her will"
        synonyms: formulate, frame, draw up, devise, make out, prepare, compile, compose, put together; Moredraft, write, pen
        "he had made a will"

      • prepare (a dish, drink, or meal) for consumption.
        "she was making lunch for Lucy and Francis"
        synonyms: prepare, get ready, put together, concoct, cook, dish up, throw together, whip up, brew; informalfix
        "he made dinner"
      • arrange bedclothes tidily on (a bed) ready for use.
      • arrange and light materials for (a fire).
      • Electronics
        complete or close (a circuit).

    • 2.
      cause (something) to exist or come about; bring about.
      "the drips had made a pool on the floor"
      • cause to become or seem.
        "decorative features make brickwork more interesting"
    And this is the verdict: The Light has come into the world, but men loved the darkness rather than the Light, because their deeds were evil. John 3:19

    Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. John 8:12

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joseppi View Post
    A entity, including a spiritual one, exists.
    Jesus Christ didn't become nothing, to then become something else.
    Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever.
    He that denies that Jesus Christ came in the flesh is antichrist.


    You invented the notion that "the Word" refers to the spoken word.

    The reason "word" is capitalized in referring to Jesus Christ, before he was manifest in the flesh, is because "the Word" is a person, whom we now know, by revelation of God, as Jesus Christ.
    I really wish you would learn to read and comprehend. That is exactly what I was talking about.... before Jesus became human, and took on a fleshly body, he was the Word... of God. Everything that was created was created by the spoken Word of God. (Jesus) When God put Jesus on the earth, the Word became flesh...(human). Being human meant that he was no longer in heaven with God and the Spirit.

    He was the nature of God, or the Word of God, in a human body. That is what the scripture is saying... compared to his spiritual life as the Word, his human life required him to become basically "nothing" in comparison.

    You are simply too eager to create issues that do not exist, for people with reading/comprehension abilities.
    No man is really saved unless he is in his heart obedient to Christ. C.H. Spurgeon

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