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    Quote Originally Posted by Nehemiah6 View Post
    The only problem is that God will tell the Sabbatarians that they were more interested in RESTING than in working for Him.
    Actually that isn't accurate. For me it's about having Faith in Jesus and His Word as opposed to having faith in some mainstream religious franchise doctrines and traditions that transgress God's Commandments.

    Col. 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood,(life) even the forgiveness of sins:
    15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

    16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

    This says Jesus created the Sabbath before becoming a man. And Jesus confirmed this in Mark 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath.

    And it also means Jesus created the Sabbath for Himself. Jesus confirmed this in: Mark 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath:

    This is why Jesus honored the Sabbath. He created it for man, and He was, like you and I are, a man. This is also why Paul, Peter, and the Gentiles honored God by obedience to the Commandment created by Jesus for them.

    If it were not for mainstream church tradition, this would be a no-brainer. There is nowhere in the Bible which preaches we are to reject God's creation, and create our own. Only those "many who Come in Christ's Name" preach against God's Sabbath. The Word of God does not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Studyman View Post
    There was only one scripture that Jesus, Paul, and Peter taught from. That is the Old Testament. Paul calls this "Old Testament the "Gospel of Christ" in Rom. 1. It was inspired by God. Jesus said of it:

    Luke 16:30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
    31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

    The preaching that the Bible doesn't teach us to keep the 10 commandments, including the 4th, is fascinating. In order for this mainstream tradition of rejecting God's Sabbath and creating their own to stand, it must be necessary to ignore, omit, preach against, the SAME Scriptures that Jesus taught Salvation from.


    2 Tim. 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

    16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

    17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

    The preaching that God doesn't command us to honor Him with obedience to the 4th Commandment, or the First, is amazing given what all the scriptures they had say about it. I mean, come on, it is no wonder Jesus and His Apostles honored God with obedience to His Sabbath. The Gospel of Christ teaches nothing less.
    just to be clear, the O.T. is NOT the Gospel. Paul does NOT say that in Romans 1. what he said is this - the Gospel of God came through the Profits in the Sacred Scripture. the Gospel, meaning Jesus, was promised by many of the Profits.

    came through the Profits in it is not the same as saying the O.T. WAS it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vic1980 View Post
    Very well observation & understanding upon these things, but it is up to the individual to study them.

    Thee Book of the Law & two tables of testimony , are not the same . This is were the individual has to begin there studying. Understanding thee difference of these two is key . To have clarity of the book of hebrews .

    Which Law did God write unto there hearts , not in tables of stone , but in fleshy tables of the heart.


    But till then , there will always be strife against those that understand Paul clearly. It's is very startling to see , members on this particular thread , making excuses to justify that Paul only enter the synagogue , just to convert Jews on the Sabbath.

    Yet Paul himself was Jewish and it was his custom , he taught the Good News to The Jews , Greeks & Gentiles.


    Romans 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.



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    Absolutely. Paul believed in and taught from the Old Testament he called "the Gospel of Christ" in Rom. 1.

    Rom. 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
    Rom. 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. (Old Testament scripture)

    Acts 24:14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

    Acts 26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

    Let each man be convinced in their own mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gb9 View Post
    just to be clear, the O.T. is NOT the Gospel. Paul does NOT say that in Romans 1. what he said is this - the Gospel of God came through the Profits in the Sacred Scripture. the Gospel, meaning Jesus, was promised by many of the Profits.

    came through the Profits in it is not the same as saying the O.T. WAS it.
    Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. (Habakkuk 2:4)


    Paul is most certainly teaching us that the Old Testament is the Gospel of Christ.

    Acts 26:22 Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:

    23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

    Acts 24:14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

    Paul certainly taught Salvation from the Old Testament he called the Gospel of Christ.

    It's not your gospel I agree, but it was Paul's.

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    you cite Romans 1 v. 1-2, then you jump to verse 16. you know that Paul said other things in between those. about Jesus. not the law.

    you should try conjoining Scripture instead of very carefully selecting verses that back your law agenda. you might learn some truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcR View Post
    Few will argue the fact that for the first 3 centuries most of the Church observed both the Sabbath and the first day of the week (Sunday), as I do now. The question remains whether the NT teaches that Sabbath observance is necessary for any reason. IMO it does NOT. I personally believe that there is great benefit in observing the appointed times of Lev 23, (including the Sabbath) not under law, but in appreciation of their significance in Jesus' earthly ministry. I strongly encourage others to do likewise.

    I also understand, and fully agree, that their observance is not and was never commanded of non=Jewish believers.

    Sabbath observance and observance of the other appointed times should NOT be done under compulsion of law by any believer! If the appointed times are observed by believers, the observance should be completely voluntary, and from the perspective of how they explain various sayings and actions of Jesus, whom we are to follow.
    Forgive me for drawing your attention to the fact that we should be 'pure in our worship and come down on 'one side OR the other...we are not adviced to have a 'foot in each camp 1Kgs 18v21 and 'hold between two opinions'. Please Sir - consider !

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    How is it possible, after reading all scripture, that people come to the conclusion that they need to work at the law AND come to Christ?

    Why not just pick ONE?

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    Quoting vic1980:::

    Statement 1::
    The Holy Scripture have proven , that the majority , always have been in error.


    Statement 2..
    Romans 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
    If the scripture quoted in statement 2 is true and good.. ( which it is because it is the word of God ) How can anyone be in error as stated in statement 1 ???

    If one man esteems one day and another man esteems another day and both are fully persuaded in their own minds then how can either man be in error ?

    In the same chapter the quoted scripture is in we read:: In Context

    Romans 14: KJV
    1 "Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations. {2} For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. {3} Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him. {4} Who art thou that judgest another man’s servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. {5} One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. {6} He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks."

    So here we read not only about the man who regards a day but another who regards all days alike and even a third man who does not regard a day.. But that all these people if they are persuaded in their minds will be made able to stand because God ( through the atonement of the LORD Jesus Christ i believe ) is able to make his stand..

    So none of these 3 peoples different views of days have nothing to do with their eternal salvation status, Because God is able to make all 3 stand on the day of judgement because they are all covered by the blood of the Redeemer our LORD Jesus..

    So no one is in error as long as they have a clear conscience on the matter to the LORD..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grandpa View Post
    How is it possible, after reading all scripture, that people come to the conclusion that they need to work at the law AND come to Christ?

    Why not just pick ONE?
    I believe many have picked Love because of our Gracious GOD’s unmerited gift to us through His Beloved Son.

    If you are trying to be Righteous through your performance on a Sabbath day then you will not succeed.. the Lord Kept it perfect for us so we can be set free at liberty to Love GOD and Keep His Commandments through Faith that worketh by Love.. we are to Love and obey the Messiah.. the Old Covenant was part of the Promise.. not the Promise.. Victory already is when we Believe in the Good Shepherd..

    Please always yoke yourself with the Lord He will give you Rest for your souls..

    Under Grace by Faith is the only way into the Kingdom of GOD..

    Believe the Lord’s Testament.

    To enjoy a Sabbath day in GOD’s Grace is a delight and the New wine leads to life not death...

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    Quote Originally Posted by vic1980 View Post
    The Holy Scripture have proven , that the majority , always have been in error.

    Shalom
    But WE are a minority. So that proves that WE are right?

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    Default Re: Paul & his custom to keep Sabbath to the LORD

    Because there is not enough of SDA threads...

    The same people on all 5 or 6 sabbath threads that are currently active...
    Do not be worried about many things - only one thing is needed (Lk 10:41-42).

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    Quote Originally Posted by trofimus View Post
    Because there is not enough of SDA threads...

    The same people on all 5 or 6 sabbath threads that are currently active...
    This is about Heavenly Father and His Commandments not the SDA Church..

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    Genesis 2:1-3, “Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their array. And in the seventh day the Mighty One completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had made. And the Mighty One blessed the seventh day and set it apart, because on it He rested from all His work which the Mighty One in creating had made.”

    Isaiah 58:11-14, "YHWH will guide you continually, and satisfy your soul in drought, and make fat; (strengthen), your bones. You will be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters do not fail. And those of you will rebuild the old waste places; you will raise up the foundations of many generations; and you will be called the Repairer of the Breach, the Restorer of Streets to Dwell In; If you turn away your foot from breaking the Sabbath: from doing your pleasure; your own business, your own pleasure, on My holy day, and call the Sabbath a delight; the holy day of YHWH honorable, and will honor Him by not doing your own ways, nor finding your own pleasure, nor engaging in idle conversation: Then you will find your joy in YHWH; and I will cause you to ride on the high places of the earth, and feed you with the heritage of Yaaqob your father, for the mouth of YHWH has spoken it."


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    Mt5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

    Rev21:1-2, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."

    Rom3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law."

    Rom3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"


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    Quote Originally Posted by loveme1 View Post
    I believe many have picked Love because of our Gracious GOD’s unmerited gift to us through His Beloved Son.
    GOD selected love, not man.

    If you are trying to be Righteous through your performance on a Sabbath day then you will not succeed..
    If you are trying to be absolutely righteous you will NEVER succeed.

    the Lord Kept it perfect for us
    Pity He never told us.

    so we can be set free at liberty to Love GOD and Keep His Commandments through Faith that worketh by Love.. we are to Love and obey the Messiah.
    we can agree on this as long as you do not profess to keep all his many commands..

    . the Old Covenant was part of the Promise..
    What says the Scripture? 'The Law is not of faith, on the contrary, he who practises them will live by them. Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law'. (Gal 3.12-13)

    'If the inheritance is based on Law, it is no longer based on PROMISE' (Gal 3.18).

    Looks as though you don't read the Scriptures.


    Victory already is when we Believe in the Good Shepherd.
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    because it is promise, not Law.

    Please always yoke yourself with the Lord He will give you Rest for your souls..

    Under Grace by Faith is the only way into the Kingdom of GOD..

    Believe the Lord’s Testament.
    And not under the Law. Now you're talking,

    To enjoy a Sabbath day in GOD’s Grace is a delight and the New wine leads to life not death...
    The Sabbath was the OLD wine not the NEW
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    Quote Originally Posted by valiant View Post
    GOD selected love, not man.



    If you are trying to be absolutely righteous you will NEVER succeed.



    Pity He never told us.



    we can agree on this as long as you do not profess to keep all his many commands..



    What says the Scripture? 'The Law is not of faith, on the contrary, he who practises them will live by them. Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law'. (Gal 3.12-13)

    'If the inheritance is based on Law, it is no longer based on PROMISE' (Gal 3.18).

    Looks as though you don't read the Scriptures.


    .

    because it is promise, not Law.



    And not under the Law. Now you're talking,



    The Sabbath was the OLD wine not the NEW



    The Lord of Sabbath taught us what is lawful on the Sabbath and to Keep all the Commandments.. fact.

    GOD’s Law is part of the New Covenant.. Fact.

    Now we each can believe we are to teach and keep even the Least Commandment of GOD or we don’t believe.. I Believe the Lord.. I would advice against anyone teaching against Keeping the Commandments.. better to not believe than teach against..

    GOD Loved us First... and told us what those that Love Him Keep... His Son taught the Greatest Commandment is to Love GOD with all our being.. and each other...even our enemies..

    The Lord’s Testament is to be Believed above all else..

    Now.. many will agree to 9 and not the 4th Commandment... and my Belief is based on the Lord’s Testament... nothing to do with the Old Covenant ... and if you can not perceive this then only GOD knows why..

    A Covenant is an agreement.. GOD’s Law pointed out the need for a Saviour.. and being set free under Grace born again we can Love GOD by Believing His Son’s Testament... no condemnation for us in Christ.

    1 Commandment that sets some of us apart... because no other is proposed as only for Israel.. Just the Sabbath.. and I exercise my freedom to Love GOD not for but because of His Gracious Gift to me..


    We should then agree to disagree and continue without resorting to unkind.. any of us that is.
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    gentiles were never under the covenant made at Sinai. fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loveme1 View Post
    This is about Heavenly Father and His Commandments not the SDA Church..
    And some of us are not SDA or ever have been....does not scripture teach about the Sabbath ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gb9 View Post
    gentiles were never under the covenant made at Sinai. fact.
    If you are not of Israel physical OR spiritual you have no part and parcel with the God of Israel see Eph 2v11-13....Now we are joined through Jesus Christ !
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    Quote Originally Posted by gb9 View Post
    gentiles were never under the covenant made at Sinai. fact.
    Jew or Gentile there is one New Covenant.. and that includes GOD’s Law.. we the Believer are changed through Faith in the Lord.. not GOD’s Law changed.. the bar is raised by the Messiah.. I could not love my enemies if not for the Lord’s Instruction.. who being innocent was willing to lay His life in such a tormenting death so that I can be forgiven.. then who am I not to Love and forgive all..

    Anyhow.. you are free to Believe or not.. I don’t believe it is a you shall... but a I shall from the believers heart that is Faith that worketh by love.. if you have to be forced it is not agape Love.. and not of Faith...

    i don’t do or not do for fear of death or being unrighteous.. thanks to the Lord who got Victory for us.
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