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    They weren't "innocent". They were living a sinful lifestyle that God considers to be an abomination..

    Oh and toddlers aren't gay. That's ridiculous..


    Quote Originally Posted by LibrarianLeo View Post
    So they have been found guilty becasue they were beaten to death.
    Do you think you would consider them innocent if they lived then?
    Becasue I have read about this type of fact-finding justice before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LibrarianLeo View Post
    You can "Likely" to keep your sanity, but I'm referring to
    my wife, a 25 year career special ed teacher, and her co-workers.
    Well now I see your vested interest in this matter. I wasn't clear on if you were a sodomite and defending your sin or something else.

    You obviously have experience and first hand information that completely refutes God and the bible.

    Gods word stands without apology. Deviant sexual preferences do not enter into the kingdom of God. Woe to these who cause the children to stumble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bladerunner View Post
    Yes and you can dress up a Boy to look like a girl or vise-versa but it still does not change their gender...What it does do is change the normal mind to one that follows its teachers regardless of their teachings.

    Don't think there will be any snowflakes in Heaven
    Are you sure about that?

    Job 38:22-23. Hast thou entered into the treasures of snow? — Dost thou know where I have laid up those vast quantities of snow and hail which I draw forth when I see fit? Dost thou know the causes of them, and the way to produce them? But if thou art unacquainted with these treasures, it is intolerable presumption in thee to pretend that thou knowest those treasures of wisdom which lie hid in my own breast. Which I have reserved — That is, which snow, and especially which hail, I have prepared, againstthe time of trouble — When I intend to bring trouble or calamity upon any country or people, for the punishment of their sins, or for their trial.

    God talking about His storehouse of snow.....a lot of flakes there....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Society View Post
    Only people exactly like you can go to heaven! Never let go of that.
    You have no desire to enter and endeavor to prevent those who would.

    Mt 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.


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    That's not the kind of snowflakes Blade was talking about...lol


    Quote Originally Posted by JesusLives View Post
    Are you sure about that?

    Job 38:22-23. Hast thou entered into the treasures of snow? — Dost thou know where I have laid up those vast quantities of snow and hail which I draw forth when I see fit? Dost thou know the causes of them, and the way to produce them? But if thou art unacquainted with these treasures, it is intolerable presumption in thee to pretend that thou knowest those treasures of wisdom which lie hid in my own breast. Which I have reserved — That is, which snow, and especially which hail, I have prepared, againstthe time of trouble — When I intend to bring trouble or calamity upon any country or people, for the punishment of their sins, or for their trial.

    God talking about His storehouse of snow.....a lot of flakes there....



    Blue ladybug, fearless leader of the orange kitty battalion! She loves orange tabbies and is innocent as decreed by Pottersclay who states that Scripture says that all people who love orange tabbies are innocent. Truthtalk says that God created the world, and then He created wonderful orange tabbies. Joefizz has elected blue ladybug as captain of the brave orange kitty ​army!



    Quote Originally Posted by kaylagrl View Post
    ​ Orange kitties approve



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    Our elder told us the story of a man -- in his homeland -- who turned woman. A few years later, that person started attending church service as a woman and wearing a veil, and a few months later affliction took control of her (his) mind.

    Not long after that the guy got converted by the power of the Holy Spirit and deeply regretted his sex change operation. The whole congregation helped him pay a reversal surgery. Today he is a faithful and respected servant of God.

    Obviously that guy had never been a woman, but I believe that some real women are born with male genitals. I saw one of these on TV a few years ago and she didn't look like a transgender -- she looked and sounded like a real and honorable woman.






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    People born with both parts aren't transgender. They're hermaphrodites...


    Quote Originally Posted by Marcelo View Post
    Our elder told us the story of a man -- in his homeland -- who turned woman. A few years later, that person started attending church service as a woman and wearing a veil, and a few months later affliction took control of her (his) mind.

    Not long after that the guy got converted by the power of the Holy Spirit and deeply regretted his sex change operation. The whole congregation helped him pay a reversal surgery. Today he is a faithful and respected servant of God.

    Obviously that guy had never been a woman, but I believe that some real women are born with male genitals. I saw one of these on TV a few years ago and she didn't look like a transgender -- she looked and sounded like a real and honorable woman.





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    Blue ladybug, fearless leader of the orange kitty battalion! She loves orange tabbies and is innocent as decreed by Pottersclay who states that Scripture says that all people who love orange tabbies are innocent. Truthtalk says that God created the world, and then He created wonderful orange tabbies. Joefizz has elected blue ladybug as captain of the brave orange kitty ​army!



    Quote Originally Posted by kaylagrl View Post
    ​ Orange kitties approve



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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcelo View Post
    Our elder told us the story of a man -- in his homeland -- who turned woman. A few years later, that person started attending church service as a woman and wearing a veil, and a few months later affliction took control of her (his) mind.

    Not long after that the guy got converted by the power of the Holy Spirit and deeply regretted his sex change operation. The whole congregation helped him pay a reversal surgery. Today he is a faithful and respected servant of God.

    Obviously that guy had never been a woman, but I believe that some real women are born with male genitals. I saw one of these on TV a few years ago and she didn't look like a transgender -- she looked and sounded like a real and honorable woman.





    Gender reassignment surgery is not reversible. Your elder is either confused, was lied to or lying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by notuptome View Post
    Well now I see your vested interest in this matter. I wasn't clear on if you were a sodomite and defending your sin or something else.

    You obviously have experience and first hand information that completely refutes God and the bible.

    Gods word stands without apology. Deviant sexual preferences do not enter into the kingdom of God. Woe to these who cause the children to stumble.

    For the cause of Christ
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    If you imagine that all people are born without physical or social
    disabilities according to scripture, then scripture has been properly
    refuted, as you are reading it.

    I have family members with both social and physical disabilities
    and they are indeed my vested interest.

    I also have a large number of neighbors that fit in a number of your categories.

    What Does the Bible Say About How To Treat Your Neighbor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LibrarianLeo View Post
    If you imagine that all people are born without physical or social
    disabilities according to scripture, then scripture has been properly
    refuted, as you are reading it.

    I have family members with both social and physical disabilities
    and they are indeed my vested interest.

    I also have a large number of neighbors that fit in a number of your categories.

    What Does the Bible Say About How To Treat Your Neighbor?
    So your personal situation trumps what the bible teaches? People are not born with social disabilities, physical disabilities but social disabilities nope.

    The consequences of sin are evidenced in society. This does not excuse sin but highlights the need for redemption.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcelo View Post
    Our elder told us the story of a man -- in his homeland -- who turned woman. A few years later, that person started attending church service as a woman and wearing a veil, and a few months later affliction took control of her (his) mind.

    Not long after that the guy got converted by the power of the Holy Spirit and deeply regretted his sex change operation. The whole congregation helped him pay a reversal surgery. Today he is a faithful and respected servant of God.

    Obviously that guy had never been a woman, but I believe that some real women are born with male genitals. I saw one of these on TV a few years ago and she didn't look like a transgender -- she looked and sounded like a real and honorable woman.





    People are born with or develop, what we call "disabilities." My father was one and I stand with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by notuptome View Post
    So your personal situation trumps what the bible teaches? People are not born with social disabilities, physical disabilities but social disabilities nope.The consequences of sin are evidenced in society. This does not excuse sin but highlights the need for redemption.For the cause of Christ
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    Really? People are not born with:



    • Desire disorders —lack of sexual desire or interest in sex
    • Arousal disorders —inability to become physically aroused or excited during sexual activity
    • Orgasm disorders —delay or absence of orgasm (climax)
    • Pain disorders — pain during intercourse

    "Homosexuality and bisexuality are not caused by the way a child was reared by his or her parents, or by having a sexual experience with someone of the same sex when the person was young. Also, being homosexual or bisexual does not mean the person is mentally ill or abnormal in some way, although there may be social problems that result from prejudicial attitudes or misinformation."https://www.webmd.com/sex-relationsh...-orientation#1

    Is WebMD.com a biased source of Satanic information?


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    Quote Originally Posted by notuptome View Post
    So your personal situation trumps what the bible teaches?
    My life experiences do refute what you have translated scripture to mean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue_ladybug View Post
    Oh and toddlers aren't gay. That's ridiculous.
    Teachers are excellent at weeding out what is ridiculous, as are parents of gay children most often aware that their children are not socially average. My wife, being special ed, is quite tuned-into childhood development as are fellow toddlers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LibrarianLeo View Post
    My life experiences do refute what you have translated scripture to mean.
    LL, your Freudian philosophies won't wash here. With the exception of hermaphrodites, all are born with one or the other of sexes. Sexual orientation is a learned trait. Why else would God insist on our not tolerating it in our society?

    "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: It is abomination" (Leviticus 18:22).

    "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: They shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them"
    (Leviticus 20:13).

    "There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel"
    (Deuteronomy 23:17). I rest my case.
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    Transgenders go to hell immedeately. Why yall arguing bout that
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    Quote Originally Posted by Demi777 View Post
    Transgenders go to hell immediately. Why yall arguing bout that
    And they bounce between the male and the female sides of Hell?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Society View Post
    Gender reassignment surgery is not reversible. Your elder is either confused, was lied to or lying.
    Let's see what Dr. Google has to say:


    Reversal Surgery in Regretful Male-to-Female Transsexuals After Sex Reassignment Surgery.

    Djordjevic ML1, Bizic MR2, Duisin D2, Bouman MB3, Buncamper M3.
    Author information



    Abstract

    INTRODUCTION:

    Sex reassignment surgery (SRS) has proved an effective intervention for patients with gender identity disorder. However, misdiagnosed patients sometimes regret their decision and request reversal surgery. This review is based on our experience with seven patients who regretted their decision to undergo male-to-female SRS.
    AIMS:

    To analyze retrospectively seven patients who underwent reversal surgery after regretting their decision to undergo male-to-female SRS elsewhere.
    METHODS:

    From November 2010 through November 2014, seven men 33 to 53 years old with previous male-to-female SRS underwent reversal phalloplasty. Preoperatively, they were examined by three independent psychiatrists. Surgery included three steps: removal of female genitalia with scrotoplasty and urethral lengthening, total phalloplasty with microvascular transfer of a musculocutaneous latissimus dorsi flap, and neophallus urethroplasty with penile prosthesis implantation.
    MAIN OUTCOME MEASURES:

    Self-reported esthetic and psychosexual status after reversion surgery and International Index of Erectile Function scores for sexual health after phalloplasty and penile prosthesis implantation.
    RESULTS:

    Follow-up was 13 to 61 months (mean = 31 months). Good postoperative results were achieved in all patients. In four patients, all surgical steps were completed; two patients are currently waiting for penile implants; and one patient decided against the penile prosthesis. Complications were related to urethral lengthening: two fistulas and one stricture were observed. All complications were repaired by minor revision. According to patients' self-reports, all patients were pleased with the esthetic appearance of their genitalia and with their significantly improved psychological status.
    CONCLUSION:

    Reversal surgery in regretful male-to-female transsexuals after SRS represents a complex, multistage procedure with satisfactory outcomes. Further insight into the characteristics of persons who regret their decision postoperatively would facilitate better future selection of applicants eligible for SRS.
    Copyright © 2016 International Society for Sexual Medicine. Published by Elsevier Inc. All rights reserved.

    I don't know if sex change surgeries are reversible
    in Brazil, but possibly the guy didn't undergo a complete reversal surgery -- I think his main concern was to cut off the boobs so that he would look like a man again.



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    Quote Originally Posted by LibrarianLeo View Post
    And they bounce between the male and the female sides of Hell?
    ROFLLL nice one. Perhaps theres a special purgatory for them until they make up their mind
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    Going transgender, you're pretty much slapping God in the face and saying you don't respect or like how he made you. Anything that's going to hurt my Lords heart like that, I personally try to stay away from. I believe the reason a person goes transgender is the same reason a person turns homosexual...being hurt a lot, and lost without Jesus Christ. But hey, Paul was the chiefest of sinners, and he was still saved by the Grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, so, transgenders, if they haven't been saved, can still come to know Christ, and realize the error of their ways, and turn from it. As long as they breath, there is still hope.
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