How human was the incarnate Christ?
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Jesus was the seed (progeny) of a woman, Mary. He had no
earthly father, and neither did Adam. Though created in the
image of God, we are born of the flesh in Adam, and need to
be born again of the Spirit of God to escape the second death.
Jesus is the last Adam. He willingly gave His life to pay the sin
debt, that by faith in Him we may attain to a life more abundant,
for the Spirit gives life, while the flesh counts for nothing.
And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a
living soul; the last Adam was made a life-giving spirit.
1 Cor 15:45
earthly father, and neither did Adam. Though created in the
image of God, we are born of the flesh in Adam, and need to
be born again of the Spirit of God to escape the second death.
Jesus is the last Adam. He willingly gave His life to pay the sin
debt, that by faith in Him we may attain to a life more abundant,
for the Spirit gives life, while the flesh counts for nothing.
And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a
living soul; the last Adam was made a life-giving spirit.
1 Cor 15:45
It baffles me that you don't know the answer to such basic Christian Truth!
I suggest you open your Bible and put some study into it!
Matt 27v50, Luke 2v40, 52, (KJV), 3v22-4v13, John 1v14, 19v34, Rom 8v3, Phil 2v5-11, 1Tim 3v16 (KJV), Heb 2v10-18, 4v15, 1John 4v1-6, 2John v7
And many other Scriptures!
I suggest you open your Bible and put some study into it!
Matt 27v50, Luke 2v40, 52, (KJV), 3v22-4v13, John 1v14, 19v34, Rom 8v3, Phil 2v5-11, 1Tim 3v16 (KJV), Heb 2v10-18, 4v15, 1John 4v1-6, 2John v7
And many other Scriptures!
Old southern gospel song:
"He was so much man that he slept in the boat
Yet he was so much God that the wind ceased when he spoke
He was so much man that he wept when Lazarus died
Yet he was so much God Lazarus came forth when he cried
He was so much man that he thirsted at the well
Yet he was so much God that he saved her soul from hell
He was so much man that he hung upon a tree
He was so much God that he lives in victory"
"He was so much man that he slept in the boat
Yet he was so much God that the wind ceased when he spoke
He was so much man that he wept when Lazarus died
Yet he was so much God Lazarus came forth when he cried
He was so much man that he thirsted at the well
Yet he was so much God that he saved her soul from hell
He was so much man that he hung upon a tree
He was so much God that he lives in victory"
I think the OP is a fair and reasonable question. Asking it doesn't make someone theologically aberrant, sinful, or heretical; we all have to learn at some point. Certain assertions regarding Jesus' humanity (or, for that matter, divinity) may label someone's beliefs as heterodox though.
The consistent biblical teaching is that Jesus was fully human and fully divine. His body was normal human male in form and function; there is no reason to think otherwise. He breathed, slept, ate and drank, became tired, was refreshed, walked, rode a donkey, sweated, bled, cried out ... all normal things to do. At the same time, Jesus is sinless and fully divine. He temporarily set aside certain aspects of his divine nature (omnipresence, omnipotence, omniscience) and relied on the Holy Spirit; this is touched on in Philippians 2:6-8.
I am uncomfortable with the verbiage "100% human and 100% divine" because the math doesn't work. He wasn't "200% God/man". Nor was He "50% man and 50% God" nor any other percentage or fraction that adds up to 1. I prefer the language of "fully human and fully divine". IMHO.
The consistent biblical teaching is that Jesus was fully human and fully divine. His body was normal human male in form and function; there is no reason to think otherwise. He breathed, slept, ate and drank, became tired, was refreshed, walked, rode a donkey, sweated, bled, cried out ... all normal things to do. At the same time, Jesus is sinless and fully divine. He temporarily set aside certain aspects of his divine nature (omnipresence, omnipotence, omniscience) and relied on the Holy Spirit; this is touched on in Philippians 2:6-8.
I am uncomfortable with the verbiage "100% human and 100% divine" because the math doesn't work. He wasn't "200% God/man". Nor was He "50% man and 50% God" nor any other percentage or fraction that adds up to 1. I prefer the language of "fully human and fully divine". IMHO.
Yes He did,for He would of had to be a complete human being for Him to be qualified to be our Savior,for only a sinless man can reconcile mankind to God,which the first man was Adam,but the second Adam is the Lord from heaven.
Jesus is God manifest in the flesh,God and man in harmony,and means that God manifest all His attributes to the man Christ Jesus,and the Spirit in Christ is still connected to the omnipresent Spirit of God,for God cannot be separated,and the man Christ Jesus the personal human body of God,which God laid down His life for us,and purchased the Church with His own blood.
Jesus breathed air,He ate food and drank water,He felt human emotions,He was tempted like we are yet without sin,He got tired and slept,He sweated,and He felt pain and bled.
Jesus being born of a virgin does not take away from Him being a complete human,for He is God manifest in the flesh,and God the life force of the man Christ Jesus,and God can fill in the blanks for what is lacking with Him not having a human father.
If Jesus was not a complete human then He would of not qualified as being our Savior.
Mankind has a sin problem,so they must get themselves out of it to be right with God,and be saved.
No man is sinless so God became that sinless man,and got mankind out of their situation that they could not accomplish,the man Christ Jesus,a complete human that got us out of our predicament,allowing us to be able to receive the Spirit and be a child of God,having the same Spirit as the man Christ Jesus.
So Jesus had to be a complete human for this to be possible,and God said He looked down on the children of men to see if there were any that could intercede for mankind,and said there was none,so He said He will be that sinless man to get mankind out of their situation.
Jesus is God manifest in the flesh,God and man in harmony,and means that God manifest all His attributes to the man Christ Jesus,and the Spirit in Christ is still connected to the omnipresent Spirit of God,for God cannot be separated,and the man Christ Jesus the personal human body of God,which God laid down His life for us,and purchased the Church with His own blood.
Jesus breathed air,He ate food and drank water,He felt human emotions,He was tempted like we are yet without sin,He got tired and slept,He sweated,and He felt pain and bled.
Jesus being born of a virgin does not take away from Him being a complete human,for He is God manifest in the flesh,and God the life force of the man Christ Jesus,and God can fill in the blanks for what is lacking with Him not having a human father.
If Jesus was not a complete human then He would of not qualified as being our Savior.
Mankind has a sin problem,so they must get themselves out of it to be right with God,and be saved.
No man is sinless so God became that sinless man,and got mankind out of their situation that they could not accomplish,the man Christ Jesus,a complete human that got us out of our predicament,allowing us to be able to receive the Spirit and be a child of God,having the same Spirit as the man Christ Jesus.
So Jesus had to be a complete human for this to be possible,and God said He looked down on the children of men to see if there were any that could intercede for mankind,and said there was none,so He said He will be that sinless man to get mankind out of their situation.
I think the OP is a fair and reasonable question. Asking it doesn't make someone theologically aberrant, sinful, or heretical; we all have to learn at some point. Certain assertions regarding Jesus' humanity (or, for that matter, divinity) may label someone's beliefs as heterodox though.
The consistent biblical teaching is that Jesus was fully human and fully divine. His body was normal human male in form and function; there is no reason to think otherwise. He breathed, slept, ate and drank, became tired, was refreshed, walked, rode a donkey, sweated, bled, cried out ... all normal things to do. At the same time, Jesus is sinless and fully divine. He temporarily set aside certain aspects of his divine nature (omnipresence, omnipotence, omniscience) and relied on the Holy Spirit; this is touched on in Philippians 2:6-8.
I am uncomfortable with the verbiage "100% human and 100% divine" because the math doesn't work. He wasn't "200% God/man". Nor was He "50% man and 50% God" nor any other percentage or fraction that adds up to 1. I prefer the language of "fully human and fully divine". IMHO.
The consistent biblical teaching is that Jesus was fully human and fully divine. His body was normal human male in form and function; there is no reason to think otherwise. He breathed, slept, ate and drank, became tired, was refreshed, walked, rode a donkey, sweated, bled, cried out ... all normal things to do. At the same time, Jesus is sinless and fully divine. He temporarily set aside certain aspects of his divine nature (omnipresence, omnipotence, omniscience) and relied on the Holy Spirit; this is touched on in Philippians 2:6-8.
I am uncomfortable with the verbiage "100% human and 100% divine" because the math doesn't work. He wasn't "200% God/man". Nor was He "50% man and 50% God" nor any other percentage or fraction that adds up to 1. I prefer the language of "fully human and fully divine". IMHO.
In Mark 6:3 we read, “Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, and brother of James and Joses and Judas and Simon? Are not His sisters here with us?” And they took offense at Him.
I am a conservative, evangelical Christian, and therefore I believe that Jesus was actually a carpenter, having been raised in a first century Jewish family with four brothers and an unspecified number of sisters. I do not believe that He attended a university to study world history, cosmology, chemistry, physics, or the arts—and therefore I do not believe that He knew anything more about these subjects than the typical young layman in his community. I do believe, however, that He believed the Jewish traditions that were part of the culture in which He was raised by Mary and Joseph. Therefore, He would have believed that the Genesis flood actually occurred and that Moses wrote the Pentateuch—unless His heavenly Father had told Him otherwise.
Therefore, I ask—is it likely that His heavenly Father had told Him otherwise? Surely if He had, and Jesus had shared with the people around these things, He would have been severely ostracized by his community, and by every other community in which He had shared these things, for being a subversive heretic!
The inspired four gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John) accurately tell us what Jesus taught, but they do not tell us whether Jesus believed correctly about the Genesis flood and the Mosaic authorship of the Pentateuch. We simply believe that Jesus believed and taught correctly because God is omniscient—and Jesus is God—sometimes forgetting that He was also a human being with a very finite human brain!
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He is God incarnate in human flesh.
There is a well known hymn which puts it like this.
Let earth and Heaven combine,
Angels and men agree,
To praise in songs divine
The incarnate Deity,
Our God contracted to a span,
Incomprehensibly made man.
Let Earth and Heaven Combine
Jesus was fully man as you say, he experienced everything a human
man would experience (though I have to say I wonder how he would
have coped with PMT) and was tempted in all ways like us. He experienced
the human condition as it were.
But he was also fully God, I certainly can’t turn water into wine, walk
on water, calm the seas, read people’s mind, discern the beginning from
the end, heal lepers (unless God gives me a word of discernment and the
ability and faith to do so. Even then I would hesitate to walk on water!
There is a well known hymn which puts it like this.
Let earth and Heaven combine,
Angels and men agree,
To praise in songs divine
The incarnate Deity,
Our God contracted to a span,
Incomprehensibly made man.
Let Earth and Heaven Combine
Jesus was fully man as you say, he experienced everything a human
man would experience (though I have to say I wonder how he would
have coped with PMT
) and was tempted in all ways like us. He experienced the human condition as it were.
But he was also fully God, I certainly can’t turn water into wine, walk
on water, calm the seas, read people’s mind, discern the beginning from
the end, heal lepers (unless God gives me a word of discernment and the
ability and faith to do so. Even then I would hesitate to walk on water!
