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    Default animal sacrifices in the millennium etc?

    there is a lot of discussion of this among the brethren.

    im premillennial but i think im in the minority when i say i believe that

    - moses law will not come back
    - animal sacrifices will not come back
    - the millennium will be christian in nature, nothing in rev 20 mentions those things

    i know many of the brethren do believe that. the pastors dont speak about it in church tho they wanna keep it under wraps many people would be shocked to hear it.

    i know that there are some bible verses that speak about that in zechariah 14 and ezekiel 40-48 but i just see such a finality in what Jesus did on the cross, no way anyone is going back to sacrifices. i would view that as an insult to Jesus!

    so the question is people: do u believe moses' law and animal sacrifices will be reinstituted in the millennium?

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    If you want to believe in literal millenium with literal temple and literal Israel, its quite strange you do not want to accept literal animal sacrifices.

    When you start to think "wait, its already fullfilled in Christ", then you can say the same regarding temple and Israel and Sabbaths and you will suddenly end without literal millenium.
    Do not be worried about many things - only one thing is needed (Lk 10:41-42).

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    Quote Originally Posted by trofimus View Post
    If you want to believe in literal millenium with literal temple and literal Israel, its quite strange you do not want to accept literal animal sacrifices.

    When you start to think "wait, its already fullfilled in Christ", then you can say the same with temple and Israel and you will suddenly end without literal millenium.
    i dont think i can never end up without a millennium unless someone gives me a good interpretation of revelation 20. most of the ones available on biblehub were nuts. those guys were making many errors
    first one was they claimed Jesus was the angel in rev 20:1, big mistake, hebrews says Jesus is not an angel thats a jehovah's falsewitness teaching.
    second mistake is they claim we are reigning as priests with Christ now which is not true christians are persecuted.

    third mistake and probably the biggest is that they seem to spiritualize the first resurrection.
    fourth mistake is rev 20:9 they just say well church will be persecuted by the world. well thats already happening! has been happening for 2000 years. so whats the point. the holy city there i believe is the jerusalem where Jesus is headquartered during the millennium. it would fit perfectly wtih premillennialism.

    fifth and final mistake is that after that the devil is captured and thrown into the lake of fire where beast and false prophet ARE! now if this is the second coming as amillennialists claim, then the beast and false prophet were thrown into the lake of fire BEFORE the second coming. which is not true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snoozy View Post
    i dont think i can never end up without a millennium unless someone gives me a good interpretation of revelation 20. most of the ones available on biblehub were nuts. those guys were making many errors
    first one was they claimed Jesus was the angel in rev 20:1, big mistake, hebrews says Jesus is not an angel thats a jehovah's falsewitness teaching.
    second mistake is they claim we are reigning as priests with Christ now which is not true christians are persecuted.

    third mistake and probably the biggest is that they seem to spiritualize the first resurrection.
    fourth mistake is rev 20:9 they just say well church will be persecuted by the world. well thats already happening! has been happening for 2000 years. so whats the point. the holy city there i believe is the jerusalem where Jesus is headquartered during the millennium. it would fit perfectly wtih premillennialism.

    fifth and final mistake is that after that the devil is captured and thrown into the lake of fire where beast and false prophet ARE! now if this is the second coming as amillennialists claim, then the beast and false prophet were thrown into the lake of fire BEFORE the second coming. which is not true.
    Rev 20 just says that satan will be bound for 1000 years.

    Nothing about Israel or temple etc. This is the OT stuff people try to connect to the Rev 20. And as you realized, the return to this OT stuff does not fit with the NT very well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trofimus View Post
    Rev 20 just says that satan will be bound for 1000 years.

    Nothing about Israel or temple etc. This is the OT stuff people try to connect to the Rev 20. And as you realized, the return to this OT stuff does not fit with the NT very well.
    yes. but there is no other way but a real reign. havent found any good interpretations other than that.

    if it can be shown i'll believe it as always.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snoozy View Post
    i dont think i can never end up without a millennium unless someone gives me a good interpretation of revelation 20. most of the ones available on biblehub were nuts. those guys were making many errors
    first one was they claimed Jesus was the angel in rev 20:1, big mistake, hebrews says Jesus is not an angel thats a jehovah's falsewitness teaching.
    The angel is the one in Revelation 9,

    second mistake is they claim we are reigning as priests with Christ now which is not true christians are persecuted.
    we are still reigning with Christ eph 2.5-6
    third mistake and probably the biggest is that they seem to spiritualize the first resurrection.
    The first resurrection was literally the resurrection of Jesus. We were raised with Him Spiritually (Eph 2.4-6 Col 3.1)


    fourth mistake is rev 20:9 they just say well church will be persecuted by the world. well thats already happening! has been happening for 2000 years. so whats the point.
    The final battle

    the holy city there i believe is the jerusalem where Jesus is headquartered during the millennium. it would fit perfectly wtih premillennialism
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    Nowhere in Rev 20 says Jesus is on earth. The new Jerusalem is the bride of Christ, fitting in with Rev 19.

    fifth and final mistake is that after that the devil is captured and thrown into the lake of fire where beast and false prophet ARE! now if this is the second coming as amillennialists claim, then the beast and false prophet were thrown into the lake of fire BEFORE the second coming. which is not true.
    No at the second coming (Rev 19) prior to the greatest of them all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snoozy View Post
    there is a lot of discussion of this among the brethren.

    im premillennial but i think im in the minority when i say i believe that

    - moses law will not come back
    - animal sacrifices will not come back
    - the millennium will be christian in nature, nothing in rev 20 mentions those things

    i know many of the brethren do believe that. the pastors dont speak about it in church tho they wanna keep it under wraps many people would be shocked to hear it.

    i know that there are some bible verses that speak about that in zechariah 14 and ezekiel 40-48 but i just see such a finality in what Jesus did on the cross, no way anyone is going back to sacrifices. i would view that as an insult to Jesus!

    so the question is people: do u believe moses' law and animal sacrifices will be reinstituted in the millennium?
    Ah, man! Thought I got you to think bigger. You don't have to agree with me, if you don't want to, but think bigger. You're stuck on two choices in your polls, and I can't answer, because my answer is always another choice. At least give room for "Other," "None, and "All of the above."

    I was new to all this "radical thinking," when I was your age too. (Also younger than you and older than you, because it doesn't all sink in at one time. lol) So I do remember when it came as a big shock that not all believers believed the same thing with these side issues. (Side issues, compared to doctrine. Not saying "side issues" aren't ever important. They're just never as important as doctrinal issues.) Could NOT believe any Christian could believe anything but pre-trib. But once I caught on they did, I had to find out all the other choices. Much bigger than agree/disagree.

    Instead of checking out just right or wrong answers, why not ask broader questions to learn what the other options are? You might well end up still believing what you do right now, but at least you did more investigation to decide that. Right or wrong doesn't really help. Especially since you're neither, or a little from column one and a little from column two, but there are dozens of columns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by valiant View Post
    Nowhere in Rev 20 says Jesus is on earth. The new Jerusalem is the bride of Christ, fitting in with Rev 19.
    thats true.

    but it says in other places that saints will reign and rule on the earth. in revelation and in daniel for example. (rev 5:10 for example)

    now when the rapture happens it says we shall always be with the Lord. so if we reign on earth, that means Jesus will be here with us. because we will always be with Him.

    if u got no answer to the above i still got one more question for u: what happens then when Jesus returns? if Jesus wont return to earth even though He said He will! in Zechariah 14:4 and Acts 1:11

    Zec 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
    Zec 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

    Act 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
    Act 1:12 Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day's journey.


    He ascended in mount of olives and says He will return there. in like manner it says.

    do u got answers to this valiant?

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    I voted "yes" on the poll because I believe there will be animal sacrifices in the millennium. I must have voted too fast before I realized the "law of Moses" was also a part of the question. I am not so sure about that: that seems questionable to me - I doubt it will be reinstituted as in the Old Testament, but I am open to other's ideas and what the Bible says.

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    There will be no need for an animal sacrifice, Jesus was the last sacrifice.

    There will be no need for the Mosaic Law, Jesus fulfilled it once and for all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snoozy View Post
    there is a lot of discussion of this among the brethren.

    im premillennial but i think im in the minority when i say i believe that

    - moses law will not come back
    - animal sacrifices will not come back
    - the millennium will be christian in nature, nothing in rev 20 mentions those things

    i know many of the brethren do believe that. the pastors dont speak about it in church tho they wanna keep it under wraps many people would be shocked to hear it.

    i know that there are some bible verses that speak about that in zechariah 14 and ezekiel 40-48 but i just see such a finality in what Jesus did on the cross, no way anyone is going back to sacrifices. i would view that as an insult to Jesus!

    so the question is people: do u believe moses' law and animal sacrifices will be reinstituted in the millennium?
    Snoozy,, I cannot vote in your poll simply because the question is misleading. According to Scripture. there would be a yearly sacrifice of an animal in order to commemorate the ritual practiced by the Israel for so long under the Law of Moses.

    Keep, in mind that during the millennium there will be no need for sacrifices for there is a NEW Gospel in town at that time. All the ones living in the Millennium except the Jewish remnant are unbelievers who will have one hundred years to make up their mind to Believe in Jesus or NOT. I suspect that even though the Remnant of Jews have had God's Law placed in their guts and heart (New Covenant, Jer 31:31-34) the children of such (at least a few of them) may stray from the beliefs of their parents as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trofimus View Post
    If you want to believe in literal millenium with literal temple and literal Israel, its quite strange you do not want to accept literal animal sacrifices.

    When you start to think "wait, its already fullfilled in Christ", then you can say the same regarding temple and Israel and Sabbaths and you will suddenly end without literal millenium.
    If the abomination of Desolations is to occur just before the Second Coming, animal sacrifice must be resumed.

    I do not believe that there will be animal sacrifice during the millennium.

    For animal sacrifice to resume, a new temple must be built.

    We don't know if it will survive the last war; and if it does it is not likely, IMO, that Jesus will use it; because we are told there will be no temple in the new heaven.
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    17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trofimus View Post
    If you want to believe in literal millenium with literal temple and literal Israel, its quite strange you do not want to accept literal animal sacrifices.

    When you start to think "wait, its already fullfilled in Christ", then you can say the same regarding temple and Israel and Sabbaths and you will suddenly end without literal millenium.

    There are over 1800 references in the OT in 17 of the Books about a literal millenium, a literal Messiah ruling from his Physical Throne in Jerusalem.

    Then there are over 300 references in 23 Books of the NT about the Literal and Physical millennium and Messiah ruling from Jesusalem on King David's Throne.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcR View Post
    I do not believe that there will be animal sacrifice during the millennium.
    nice to get ur view. sounds good

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bladerunner View Post

    Keep, in mind that during the millennium there will be no need for sacrifices for there is a NEW Gospel in town at that time

    new gospel? any verses for that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snoozy View Post
    new gospel? any verses for that?

    Sure do.......Rev 14:6.."And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,"

    Have a good one Snoozy
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snoozy View Post
    so the question is people: do u believe moses' law and animal sacrifices will be reinstituted in the millennium?
    There should be a third option in the poll "Some aspects of the Old Covenant, but under the New Covenant".

    We have only two options when reading and studying Scripture:

    1. All Scripture to be taken in its plain literal sense unless there is a compelling reason to discern a metaphor.

    2. No Scripture to be taken in its plain literal sense, and everything to be treated as allegorical.

    If we go with option one (which should be the way to go) then we must accept the fact that:

    1. The prophecy of Ezekiel focuses on Israel under the New Covenant, and settled in the Promised Land.

    2. There is a literal Millennial Temple under the New Covenant, and God dwells with Israel.

    3. The Levitical priesthood and animal sacrifices are revived under the New Covenant, and David's throne is reestablished under Christ.

    4. God has not told us how He reconciles the Millennial Temple with the finished work of Christ, therefore speculation is futile.

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    Why does Paul mention that priests are still offering sacrifices to God
    even after Christ's death on the cross ?

    (Hebrews 8:3-4) Every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices,
    and so it was necessary for this one also to have something to offer.

    If he were on earth, he would not be a priest, for there are already priests
    who offer the gifts prescribed by the law.
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    Does anyone here not give the proper sacrifices required of them?

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    Zechariah 14:21 does not say thy have [animal sacrifices]
    It does mention the feast of tabernacles required by mortal people though.

    you give ezekiel 40-48 but I could not find[animal] sacrifices mentioned.
    I found the sons of Zadok mentioned in ezekiel 40, do you know who they are?
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    Quote Originally Posted by prove-all View Post
    you give ezekiel 40-48 but I could not find[animal] sacrifices mentioned.
    I found the sons of Zadok mentioned in ezekiel 40, do you know who they are?
    There are animal sacrifices mentioned. Ezekiel 43:21-22 and many other references. Sin offerings in particular.

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    I have already explained the millennium and its nature in another thread but the answer to the poll is a clear and resounding NO!

    The people who want the sacrifices to return are imagining a Judaism 2.0 and I dont understand how this view is so prevelant today.

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