where is Adams sin

[reneweddaybyday]

Before the fall God previously as to when God corrupted the whole creation as the beginning of His death sentence, He created mankind as one creation to represent his own self as one God, working together as if he was a literal father and Son as two attributes .

God did not corrupt the whole creation. When Adam/Eve sinned, creation became corrupted. What God did was pronounce the result of Adam's sin:

Genesis 3:17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; ...

Man representing the invisible head Christ and woman representing the whole body (mankind) as one creation. She is signified as the bride of Christ ,the church. She was not formed from the bone of Adam they were both created flesh and bone. Flesh and bone are both products of the lifeless spiritless dust they were formed of.

Please review the following verses ---


Adam formed, then Eve formed from rib of Adam:

Genesis 2:

21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;

22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.




1 Corinthians 11:8 For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.

The word "of" in 1 Cor 11:8 is the Greek word ek. Helps Word-studies states as follows concerning the word "of" in 1 Cor 11:8 (bold mine):

1537 ek (a preposition, written eks before a vowel) – properly, "out from and to" (the outcome); out from within. 1537 /ek ("out of") is one of the most under-translated (and therefore mis-translated) Greek propositions – often being confined to the meaning "by." 1537 (ek) has a two-layered meaning ("out from and to") which makes it out-come oriented (out of the depths of the source and extending to its impact on the object).

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1 Timothy 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

 

[garee]

Are you really saying that had Adam eaten of the forbidden fruit first, that Eve would have been held responsible had she followed suit, in as much as sin and death would have entered the world through Eve and not Adam?

Death entered through mankind . Male and female he made them that are not subject to salvation... the other beast of the field not created in His image.

After the fall it became the soul that sin dies. They were of one soul and one mind .

 

[garee]

God did not corrupt the whole creation. When Adam/Eve sinned, creation became corrupted. What God did was pronounce the result of Adam's sin:

Genesis 3:17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake;

...

Yes sin was accredited to Adam. God made them as one. If Adam ate first it would of likewise been accredited to both.

Adam was created as the head of the body not the whole body as one . Just as Christ is head of the whole church.

The bride of Christ the church are members of His flesh and bones. Not just bones.

For we (male and female) are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church. Eph 5:30

God create mankind differently than any other beast of the field to represent his own self as one. ( The father and I are one). Christ our husband and us male and female, His bride as the segregate mother of us all. This will literally come to pass in the new heavens and earth .No male and female.

So yes the result of mankind one creation sinning the promised corruption. You both shall really die. Things did not just start corrupt itself .God set death into motion when he who holds all things together lifted his hand when the soul of man died.
The creation account clearly indicates that God used Adam’s rib to create Eve instead of making her from the dust of the ground as He had done for Adam.

The question also arises as to why God created woman out of Adam’s rib. God for a certain purpose had formed male and female animals separately, but the female human was originally part of man—Adam said, “She shall be called ‘woman,’ for she was taken out of man” as one creation. male and female he made them .The other creation not made in his likeness as one.

Please review the following verses ---

Adam formed, then Eve formed from rib of Adam:

Genesis 2:

21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;

22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.

Yes and flesh of my flesh

1 Corinthians 11:8 For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.

The word "of" in 1 Cor 11:8 is the Greek word ek. Helps Word-studies states as follows concerning the word "of" in 1 Cor 11:8 (bold mine):


1537 ek (a preposition, written eks before a vowel) – properly, "out from and to" (the outcome); out from within. 1537 /ek ("out of") is one of the most under-translated (and therefore mis-translated) Greek propositions – often being confined to the meaning "by." 1537 (ek) has a two-layered meaning ("out from and to") which makes it out-come oriented (out of the depths of the source and extending to its impact on the object).

Copyright © 1987, 2011 by Helps Ministries, Inc.
HELPSTM Word-studies


1 Timothy 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

Yes as one creation

God used Adam’s rib to form Eve to show that they were actually the same created being,. You could say two halves of a whole. The female was not created as a separate being, second to the male. She was formed as part of the initial man, in order to be a “helpmate suitable for the male.

While Adam was put to sleep , God “took one of the man’s ribs and . . . made a woman” Eve was brought into being to strengthen and powerfully help Adam; she was made from the same “stuff,” not from the dust (male and female he made them) and she was every bit as perfect a creation as man and every bit as patterned after God’s image and likeness .

The woman made of Adam’s rib was designed to be a “suitable helper” for Adam The Hebrew phrase is translated “help meet” in the KJ and “companion who corresponded” in the NET.

It is not synonymous with assistant, servant, minion, or subordinate. The Hebrew phrase, ’ezer kenegdow, in all other instances in the Bible refers to powerful and extensive aid and support. Woman, therefore, was created as a complement to man, as an integral part of man, and as a powerful and influential companion for man.

 

[KelbyofGod]

When Eve ate of the forbidden fruit it affected that one creation (mankind) which would have been vice versa had Adam first, Eve would be held responsible.

Are you really saying that had Adam eaten of the forbidden fruit first, that Eve would have been held responsible had she followed suit, in as much as sin and death would have entered the world through Eve and not Adam?

Magenta,
Wasn't Garee's quote an awesome thing to consider? (and yes I mean that in a positive way). for 2 reasons:

1. In the current situation, when Eve was truly the person who failed first, why isn't it already said that Death by Sin entered the world through Eve (instead of Adam who ate SECOND)? and ...

2. If Adam would have eaten first, don't you think God would have wanted the woman to say "Hey, honey, that's not something we are supposed to do" and then refuse to eat? (same as Adam should have).


Love in Jesus,
Kelby

 

[Zmouth]

Sin: missing the mark
trespass: everyday screwups
Transgression: willful disobedience
Iniquity: continued willful disobedience

Are you a sinner? If so then how did you learn of your sin? [See 1 John 3:8]

I know the inspired word of God offends some people, but this is all in scripture, but I guess study and meditation, sometimes could be to hard for some
THE LONE RANGER

Not to those who have a natural passion for what they do... [See John 8:44]

"...that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live." Deut 8:3

Seems ironic that the word of God comes by inspiration and not by hearing...[See Luke 4:4]

"And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book." Exodus 32:33

So if the LORD forgives inquity, transgression and sin, then what trespass are the guilty ignorant of?

"Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty;" Ex 34:7

 

[Nehemiah6]

Death entered through mankind.

NOT "mankind" but ONE MAN. Big difference.

Wherefore, as by one man [Adam] sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned...

Because Adam sinned, we all sin and we are all sinners

Because Adam died, we all died and also face the second death

 

[Zmouth]

So if sin entered into the world by one man, and death by sin, so is there any correlation between that man and the Son of man?

 

[Nehemiah6]

So if sin entered into the world by one man, and death by sin, so is there any correlation between that man and the Son of man?

Absolutely. See 1 Corinthians 15:42-49.

42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

 

[Zmouth]

Absolutely. See 1 Corinthians 15:42-49.

42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

Actually, I was referring unto John 8:46, seeing that it is written in John 5:47, "But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?" You do believe the writings in the Fifith Book of Moses [Ch.34:V.7] seeing what is written in Genesis 6:3?

 

[garee]

NOT "mankind" but ONE MAN. Big difference.

Wherefore, as by one man [Adam] sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned...

Because Adam sinned, we all sin and we are all sinners


Rom 5:15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

Because Adam died, we all died and also face the second death

Not to get nick picky I would think mankind describes the creation of two halves made it his likeness, typified like God one soul, one faith The soul (mankind male and female ) that sinned died causing division between the man and woman and mankind and God .

Male and female he made them the other creatures.(Animal kind.) The kind not created in His image

Eve sinned they (mankind) both fell.

I think. Wherefore, as by one man would denote a comparison .Adam was used as a similitude in a parable.

All for one one for all.

If it said by one man and not as by, then we could say exclude Eve from the transgression.

Hebrews 11:29 By faith they passed through the Red sea as by dry land: which the Egyptians assaying to do were drowned.

1Co 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

Luke 22:44 And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.

 

[maverich]

So many of you, are so focused on sin, What i was attempting, and obviously failed miserably was to draw your attention to the Love of God.
Jesus took away sin, it should never enter into anyones, discussion becausee he removed it. even if you meet a new believer, you should speak of love. For it is said by the Word. (Jesus) and your testimony.
Seeing how so many are hell bent, on spending endless amounts of time on sin, the law and death i realize, that i have nothing to offer, If you won't except Jesus's gift, you surely won''t accept mine.
I leave you with a teaser Cain if you do well, don't you know it will be good, but if not, sin is crouched outside your door.
What is the door, and pls don't say a house

 

[reneweddaybyday]

So many of you, are so focused on sin, What i was attempting, and obviously failed miserably was to draw your attention to the Love of God.
Jesus took away sin, it should never enter into anyones, discussion becausee he removed it. even if you meet a new believer, you should speak of love. For it is said by the Word. (Jesus) and your testimony.
Seeing how so many are hell bent, on spending endless amounts of time on sin, the law and death i realize, that i have nothing to offer, If you won't except Jesus's gift, you surely won''t accept mine.

Perhaps you should have titled the thread differently?

Or perhaps the OP should not have focused on Adam, Adam's sin, trespass, transgression, iniquity?

Where in scripture, does it say explicitly that Adam sinned, I see trespass and transgression which are not sin, it has been imputed, by all but a few that Adam, sinned.
Romans 5:12 thru 14 that by one man sin came into the world. Is there a definitive scripture was Adam.
My thoughts as always are meant to make people think. Paul said that sin came by the law. if that is true then Adam couldn't be the one man, it would have to be Moses. Moses is also the first person to break the law, making the case, that, no one can carry the law without breaking it.
Sin: missing the mark
trespass: everyday screwups
Transgression: willful disobedience
Iniquity: continued willful disobedience
I know the inspired word of God offends some people, but this is all in scripture, but I guess study and meditation, sometimes could be to hard for some

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Yes sin was accredited to Adam. God made them as one. If Adam ate first it would of likewise been accredited to both.

Please provide Scripture which supports your claim that if Adam had eaten first it would have been accredited to both. Thanks.

So yes the result of mankind one creation sinning the promised corruption. You both shall really die. Things did not just start corrupt itself .God set death into motion when he who holds all things together lifted his hand when the soul of man died.

I believe God knew in His foreknowledge that Adam/Eve would eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Because of this, what God set in motion was the redemption of mankind. That is hinted at in Gen 1:14-19 where it is written that the lights in the firmament of heaven were to be for signs and for seasons. The whole story of redemption is written in the heavens. The heavens declare the glory of God from generation to generation. Sadly, the truth of the redemption of mankind has been corrupted and most people believe the heavens declare zodiac / astrology foolishness.

The creation account clearly indicates that God used Adam’s rib to create Eve instead of making her from the dust of the ground as He had done for Adam.

The question also arises as to why God created woman out of Adam’s rib. God for a certain purpose had formed male and female animals separately, but the female human was originally part of man—Adam said, “She shall be called ‘woman,’ for she was taken out of man” as one creation. male and female he made them .The other creation not made in his likeness as one.


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God used Adam’s rib to form Eve to show that they were actually the same created being,. You could say two halves of a whole. The female was not created as a separate being, second to the male. She was formed as part of the initial man, in order to be a “helpmate suitable for the male.

While Adam was put to sleep , God “took one of the man’s ribs and . . . made a woman” Eve was brought into being to strengthen and powerfully help Adam; she was made from the same “stuff,” not from the dust (male and female he made them) and she was every bit as perfect a creation as man and every bit as patterned after God’s image and likeness .

The woman made of Adam’s rib was designed to be a “suitable helper” for Adam The Hebrew phrase is translated “help meet” in the KJ and “companion who corresponded” in the NET.

It is not synonymous with assistant, servant, minion, or subordinate. The Hebrew phrase, ’ezer kenegdow, in all other instances in the Bible refers to powerful and extensive aid and support. Woman, therefore, was created as a complement to man, as an integral part of man, and as a powerful and influential companion for man.

My understanding is that Eve was formed from the side of man, close to his heart. This reveals the equality between the man and the woman, as well as the care and concern that each is to have for one another.

Neither male nor female are "better" than the other. Male and female complement one another.

Here is what is written in Matthew Henry's Commentary on Genesis 2:

That the woman was made of a rib out of the side of Adam; not made out of his head to rule over him, nor out of his feet to be trampled upon by him, but out of his side to be equal with him, under his arm to be protected, and near his heart to be beloved. Adam lost a rib, and without any diminution to his strength or comeliness (for, doubtless, the flesh was closed without a scar); but in lieu thereof he had a help meet for him, which abundantly made up his loss: what God takes away from his people he will, one way or other, restore with advantage. In this (as in many other things) Adam was a figure of him that was to come; for out of the side of Christ, the second Adam, his spouse the church was formed, when he slept the sleep, the deep sleep, of death upon the cross, in order to which his side was opened, and there came out blood and water, blood to purchase his church and water to purify it to himself. See Eph. 5:25,26.

Henry, Matthew. "Commentary on Genesis 2." . Blue Letter Bible. 1 Mar, 1996.2017. 5 Dec 2017.
<http:// Blue Letter Bible - Commentaries - Matthew Henry - Matthew Henry Commentary on the Whole Bible >
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[KelbyofGod]

Eve sinned they (mankind) both fell.

I think. Wherefore, as by one man would denote a comparison .Adam was used as a similitude in a parable.

If it said by one man and not as by, then we could say exclude Eve from the transgression.

Hebrews 11:29 By faith they passed through the Red sea as by dry land: which the Egyptians assaying to do were drowned.

1Co 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

Luke 22:44 And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.

Garee,

I really like this post because it, too, makes me think. I hope you'll pardon me for quoting only the portions that I liked best, and that I emboldened your premise to make it stand out for other readers.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

 

[KelbyofGod]

NOT "mankind" but ONE MAN. Big difference.

Wherefore, as by one man [Adam] sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned...

This post isn't a criticism. I'm just sharing something God pointed out to me a few months back that I thought was very interesting.

Same as you pointed out that it is actually a big difference between "mankind" and "ONE MAN", It may actually be a bigger difference in that God said "SIN" (not death) entered the world as by that one man. And "death by sin" which is something like death by hanging. Yes, I know that sounds like quite a stretch of the imagination but think about it for a minute. And I'll also clarify (and later show biblical proof) of the perceived 'impossibility' it would raise.

Firstly, if my supposition were to be true, it would mean there would have to be death by other means. Death by means OTHER than sin. ("Other than sin" meaning "outside of" and completely independent of sin). Correct?

Secondly, it would mean that there would have to be biblical proof of it before you would believe it possible. ( I will even add "prior to sin"... because some would not be able to see any separation if sin is at all available to man before this non-sin death is proven to exist.

And lastly to this post, I'll wait to present the proof until I hear if you do/don't agree with my "Firstly" and "Secondly" statements. (each stating a need for proof that I would be obligated to provide).

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

 

[maverich]

okay, i read quite a bit of all the posts, no one has yet to answer the original question,
Where in scripture does it say that Adam sinned, not guessing but unequivicably says that Adam is the one man

 

[mcubed]

The Old Testament is the Bible too…
Genesis 3:3 & 3:6

but God did say, 'You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.'"



When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.

 

[Nehemiah6]

okay, i read quite a bit of all the posts, no one has yet to answer the original question,
Where in scripture does it say that Adam sinned, not guessing but unequivicably says that Adam is the one man

What has been posted by myself at least should suffice. But if this is what you want, it is in the Bible (Rom 5:16,17):

And not as it was by one [Adam] that sinned, so is the gift:...For if by one man's [Adam's] offence death reigned by one...

Offence here means sin.

 

[maverich]

have to ask, what bible put adam in that scrippture, by 1 mans sin is the correct statement,
as far as offence being sin, show me that also,
i like how you inserted, what you wanted to see, and it was pleasing to the eye, and many did eat,

 

[Magenta]

Magenta,
Wasn't Garee's quote an awesome thing to consider?

No, it was not. I prefer the truth of Scripture