where is Adams sin

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Zmouth

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Please provide Scripture which supports your claim that if Adam had eaten first it would have been accredited to both. Thanks.


Not to support the claim, but if you think 'Eve' ate first then you are so lost it is sad.

Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
Genesis 5:2
 
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Not to support the claim, but if you think 'Eve' ate first then you are so lost it is sad.
Here is the sequence of events which took place:

And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

Both Adam and Eve sinned when they ate of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. However, Eve ate first, then gave to Adam.

Eve was deceived (Gen 3:13, 2 Cor 11:3, 1 Tim 2:14); Adam was not deceived, yet ate of the tree.




Zmouth said:
Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
Genesis 5:2
2 Timothy 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

Genesis 2:

7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

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20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.

21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;

22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.



Adam's body was formed from the dust of the ground and God breathed into Adam the breath of life and man became a living soul – Gen 2:7.

How long did it take Adam to name all the cattle, birds, and beast of the field as written in Gen 2:20?

Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field and then God made Eve from Adam.

 

Zmouth

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Here is the sequence of events which took place:
In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; Genesis 5:1

Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, and said, or this
cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because
she was taken out of Man.

Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created. Genesis 5:2

Eve was deceived (Gen 3:13, 2 Cor 11:3, 1 Tim 2:14); Adam was not deceived, yet ate of the tree.
But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 2 Cor 11:3

  • And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; Genesis3:7​
  • And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: Genesis 3:8​
  • And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou? Genesis 3:9​
  • Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, and said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?

Both Adam and Eve sinned when they ate of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. However, Eve ate first, then gave to Adam.
And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: Genesis 3:17

And Adam called his wife's name Eve;
Genesis 3:20

And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.
Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them. Gen 3:21

So he drove out the man;
and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.
Genesis 3:24


So what happened to the woman?
 
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stillness

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Don't overlook the obvious, the world is a description of Adam's sin, woman desiring to be idolized and men falling for loving them more than God and it falls apart. About desiring control and we lose control. "Whoever seeks to save his live will lose it," And as we loose our life in God we find it fulfilled even the desire of our heart in a healthy marriage.
Not overlooking the obvious, the fruit of the tree of knowledge and the tree itself is also hidden in plain sight. So well hidden that even being told you will have difficulty seeing it. The sin nature, now called Ego, is the fruit of the mind of the flesh, where we have knowledge of good and evil. "If I have all knowledge and have not Love I am nothing." It was created from nothing and living for ourselves we die spiritually with a hunger that cant be satisfied until we find our rest in God. Thanks be to God for a living sacrifice, now as members of His body we can respond in Love.
 
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So many of you, are so focused on sin, What i was attempting, and obviously failed miserably was to draw your attention to the Love of God.
"Who told you that you were naked?" is a good reflection for this imo. A Death Cult will naturally focus on sin and death, i guess
Jesus took away sin, it should never enter into anyones, discussion becausee he removed it.
i doubt you can support this wadr. Sin has not been "removed" near as i can tell, even if i agree with you on the above.
https://www.wikihow.com/Recognize-the-Fallacy-of-Death-Centric-Western-Christian-Models
 
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Where in scripture, does it say explicitly that Adam sinned, I see trespass and transgression which are not sin, it has been imputed, by all but a few that Adam, sinned.
Romans 5:12 thru 14 that by one man sin came into the world. Is there a definitive scripture was Adam.
My thoughts as always are meant to make people think. Paul said that sin came by the law. if that is true then Adam couldn't be the one man, it would have to be Moses. Moses is also the first person to break the law, making the case, that, no one can carry the law without breaking it.
Sin: missing the mark
trespass: everyday screwups
Transgression: willful disobedience
Iniquity: continued willful disobedience
I know the inspired word of God offends some people, but this is all in scripture, but I guess study and meditation, sometimes could be to hard for some
THE LONE RANGER
Ro 3:20 because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the law comes the knowledge of sin.
Can we deduct from this passage that through the law we become knowledgeable of good and evil?
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Genesis 2:16 The LORD God commanded the man, saying, "From any tree of the garden you may eat freely.
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Can we deduct that a command from God is a Law?
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2:17 but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die."
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Can we deduct that “to eat from” means to live by?
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Can we then deduct that to live by the law will kill us?
 
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In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; Genesis 5:1

Have y not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, and said, or this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
When Jesus spoke in Matt 19:4-5, He was answering a question asked by the pharisees about putting away (divorcing) a wife.

Jesus was not answering a question concerning whether Adam ate first from the tree of knowledge of good and evil or whether Adam was formed before Eve.

Do you believe Jesus would have answered the question whether Adam ate first or whether Adam was formed before Eve in contradiction to what is written in Gen 2:7, 20-22?

I believe Jesus would have corroborated what was written in Gen 3:6 and Gen 2:7, 20-22.





Zmouth said:
And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man
Yes. Adam was formed ... then Eve was taken out of Man (Gen 2:23).
 
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YHWH commanded Adam not to eat of it. When the the serpent tempted Eve, she reiterated it, and added a fence to it as well, saying not to touch it.

The woman said to the serpent, “Of the fruit of the trees, we may eat. But of the fruit of the tree which is in the middle of the garden, God said, ‘You must not eat of it and you must not touch it, or you will die.’”
Genesis 3:2*-‬3 TLV
http://bible.com/314/gen.3.2-3.TLV

God instructed them to not eat, and they went against that. And by doing so, they separated themselves from Him, finding themselves vulnerable and exposed. Instead of going to Him about it, they sought to cover themselves up with the figleaves, their second mistake. How often do we try to do things on our own without going to Him?

And afterwards, when He called them out on it, they started pointing fingers.

Then the man said, “The woman whom You gave to be with me—she gave me of the Tree, and I ate.” Adonai Elohim said to the woman, “What did you do?” The woman said, “The serpent deceived me and I ate.”
Genesis 3:12*-‬13 TLV
http://bible.com/314/gen.3.12-13.TLV