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TULIP:
Total Depravity - As a result of Adam’s fall, the entire human race is affected; all humanity is dead in trespasses and sins. Man is unable to save himself (Genesis 6:5; Jeremiah 17:9; Romans 3:10-18).
Unconditional Election - Because man is dead in sin, he is unable to initiate a response to God; therefore, in eternity past God elected certain people to salvation. Election and predestination are unconditional; they are not based on man’s response (Romans 8:29-30;9:11; Ephesians 1:4-6, 11-12) because man is unable to respond, nor does he want to.
Limited Atonement - Because God determined that certain ones should be saved as a result of God’s unconditional election, He determined that Christ should die for the elect alone. All whom God has elected and for whom Christ died will be saved (Matthew 1:21; John 10:11; 17:9; Acts 20:28; Romans 8:32; Ephesians 5:25).
Irresistible Grace - Those whom God elected He draws to Himself through irresistible grace. God makes man willing to come to Him. When God calls, man responds (John 6:37, 44; 10:16).
Perseverance of the Saints - The precise ones God has elected and drawn to Himself through the Holy Spirit will persevere in faith. None whom God has elected will be lost; they are eternally secure (John 10:27-29; Romans 8:29-30; Ephesians 1:3-14).
https://www.gotquestions.org/calvinism.html
Total Depravity - As a result of Adam’s fall, the entire human race is affected; all humanity is dead in trespasses and sins. Man is unable to save himself (Genesis 6:5; Jeremiah 17:9; Romans 3:10-18).
Unconditional Election - Because man is dead in sin, he is unable to initiate a response to God; therefore, in eternity past God elected certain people to salvation. Election and predestination are unconditional; they are not based on man’s response (Romans 8:29-30;9:11; Ephesians 1:4-6, 11-12) because man is unable to respond, nor does he want to.
Limited Atonement - Because God determined that certain ones should be saved as a result of God’s unconditional election, He determined that Christ should die for the elect alone. All whom God has elected and for whom Christ died will be saved (Matthew 1:21; John 10:11; 17:9; Acts 20:28; Romans 8:32; Ephesians 5:25).
Irresistible Grace - Those whom God elected He draws to Himself through irresistible grace. God makes man willing to come to Him. When God calls, man responds (John 6:37, 44; 10:16).
Perseverance of the Saints - The precise ones God has elected and drawn to Himself through the Holy Spirit will persevere in faith. None whom God has elected will be lost; they are eternally secure (John 10:27-29; Romans 8:29-30; Ephesians 1:3-14).
https://www.gotquestions.org/calvinism.html
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Ha! And I'm linking you to a site that goes through the shortened description of the word. Be glad I didn't go for the thorough description. lol
http://www.ligonier.org/blog/tulip-and-reformed-theology-introduction/
http://www.ligonier.org/blog/tulip-and-reformed-theology-introduction/
Ok awesome! All your replies have been helpful so far.
I want to ask some questions about Total Depravity. From the initial sound of it, it seems a bit redundant at first glance. Correct me if I'm wrong but the idea based on the definition of the words is that as we are born into sin, we are totally depraved. In other words there's not one good bone in our body. Not one inkling of goodness because of our fallen state. My question is, does that matter? Because of God's Holy nature, what does any 'amount' of depravity matter? Whether we are totally depraved, partially depraved, or have a speck of depravity on us, none of that can be acceptable to a Holy God. So why the emphasis on total?
Please don't misunderstand me. I do not ask these questions to challenge your views nor do I seek to 'convert' anyone to a non-Calvinist view. But I am genuinely curious and hopefully can gain a bit more understanding into these views.
I want to ask some questions about Total Depravity. From the initial sound of it, it seems a bit redundant at first glance. Correct me if I'm wrong but the idea based on the definition of the words is that as we are born into sin, we are totally depraved. In other words there's not one good bone in our body. Not one inkling of goodness because of our fallen state. My question is, does that matter? Because of God's Holy nature, what does any 'amount' of depravity matter? Whether we are totally depraved, partially depraved, or have a speck of depravity on us, none of that can be acceptable to a Holy God. So why the emphasis on total?
Please don't misunderstand me. I do not ask these questions to challenge your views nor do I seek to 'convert' anyone to a non-Calvinist view. But I am genuinely curious and hopefully can gain a bit more understanding into these views.
If you wish to get a handle on Reformed Theology you must study the Westminster Confession of Faith (the official doctrinal position). It is in this document that the Calvinists have gone ABOVE AND BEYOND what Scripture teaches about the condition of human beings as sinners, and created the FALSE DOCTRINE of Total Depravity. So I will quote the relevant sections and then discuss them:
TOTAL DEPRAVITY
Westminster Confession of Faith Chapter VI
II. By this sin they [Adam & Eve] fell from their original righteousness and communion, with God, and so became dead in sin, and wholly defiled in all the parts and faculties of soul and body.
III. They being the root of all mankind, the guilt of this sin was imputed; and the same death in sin, and corrupted nature, conveyed to all their posterity descending from them by ordinary generation.
IV. From this original corruption, whereby we are utterly indisposed, disabled, and made opposite to all good, and wholly inclined to all evil, do proceed all actual transgressions.
So you will ask "Where is the false doctrine", and the answers are below:
A. TOTAL DENIAL OF THE CONSCIENCE AND ITS EFFECTS
II. By this sin they [Adam & Eve] fell from their original righteousness and communion, with God, and so became dead in sin, and wholly defiled in all the parts and faculties of soul and body.
IV. From this original corruption, whereby we are utterly indisposed, disabled, and made opposite to all good, and wholly inclined to all evil, do proceed all actual transgressions.
What these clauses are saying is that human beings are always and continuously evil. But that is NOT what the Bible teaches. The Bible says that:
1. God gives "light" to all men (John 1:4,9), which means that sinners are conscious of what is good and right:
In him [Christ] was life; and the life was the light of men...That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
2. God places a conscience within every man, which means that human beings are not continually, evil and do obey "the Law" written within their conscience (Romans 2:11-16):
11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another
16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
B. THE IMPUTATION OF ADAM'S GUILT TO THE HUMAN RACE
III. They being the root of all mankind, the guilt of this sin was imputed; and the same death in sin, and corrupted nature, conveyed to all their posterity descending from them by ordinary generation.
This makes all of humanity guilty for what Adam did. But since the Bible shows that not even Eve was made guilty for Adam's sin, it is completely false. The CONSEQUENCES of Adam's sin were that the Adamic sin nature was inherited from Adam by all human beings, and that is why every human being dies, and is also subject to the second death unless saved by grace.
Wherefore, as by one man [Adam] sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:...Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses...For if through the offence of one [Adam] many be dead...for the judgment was by [through] one [Adam] to condemnation [damnation]...For if by one man's [Adam's] offence death reigned by one...Therefore as by the offence of one [Adam] judgment came upon all men to condemnation [damnation]...For as by one man's [Adam's] disobedience many were made sinners... (Rom 5:12-21).
Nowhere does it say in this passage that Adam's GUILT was imputed to human beings.
TOTAL DEPRAVITY
Westminster Confession of Faith Chapter VI
II. By this sin they [Adam & Eve] fell from their original righteousness and communion, with God, and so became dead in sin, and wholly defiled in all the parts and faculties of soul and body.
III. They being the root of all mankind, the guilt of this sin was imputed; and the same death in sin, and corrupted nature, conveyed to all their posterity descending from them by ordinary generation.
IV. From this original corruption, whereby we are utterly indisposed, disabled, and made opposite to all good, and wholly inclined to all evil, do proceed all actual transgressions.
So you will ask "Where is the false doctrine", and the answers are below:
A. TOTAL DENIAL OF THE CONSCIENCE AND ITS EFFECTS
II. By this sin they [Adam & Eve] fell from their original righteousness and communion, with God, and so became dead in sin, and wholly defiled in all the parts and faculties of soul and body.
IV. From this original corruption, whereby we are utterly indisposed, disabled, and made opposite to all good, and wholly inclined to all evil, do proceed all actual transgressions.
What these clauses are saying is that human beings are always and continuously evil. But that is NOT what the Bible teaches. The Bible says that:
1. God gives "light" to all men (John 1:4,9), which means that sinners are conscious of what is good and right:
In him [Christ] was life; and the life was the light of men...That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
2. God places a conscience within every man, which means that human beings are not continually, evil and do obey "the Law" written within their conscience (Romans 2:11-16):
11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another
16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
B. THE IMPUTATION OF ADAM'S GUILT TO THE HUMAN RACE
III. They being the root of all mankind, the guilt of this sin was imputed; and the same death in sin, and corrupted nature, conveyed to all their posterity descending from them by ordinary generation.
This makes all of humanity guilty for what Adam did. But since the Bible shows that not even Eve was made guilty for Adam's sin, it is completely false. The CONSEQUENCES of Adam's sin were that the Adamic sin nature was inherited from Adam by all human beings, and that is why every human being dies, and is also subject to the second death unless saved by grace.
Wherefore, as by one man [Adam] sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:...Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses...For if through the offence of one [Adam] many be dead...for the judgment was by [through] one [Adam] to condemnation [damnation]...For if by one man's [Adam's] offence death reigned by one...Therefore as by the offence of one [Adam] judgment came upon all men to condemnation [damnation]...For as by one man's [Adam's] disobedience many were made sinners... (Rom 5:12-21).
Nowhere does it say in this passage that Adam's GUILT was imputed to human beings.
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If you wish to get a handle on Reformed Theology you must study the Westminster Confession of Faith (the official doctrinal position). It is in this document that the Calvinists have gone ABOVE AND BEYOND what Scripture teaches about the condition of human beings as sinners, and created the FALSE DOCTRINE of Total Depravity. So I will quote the relevant sections and then discuss them:
TOTAL DEPRAVITY
Westminster Confession of Faith Chapter VI
II. By this sin they [Adam & Eve] fell from their original righteousness and communion, with God, and so became dead in sin, and wholly defiled in all the parts and faculties of soul and body.
III. They being the root of all mankind, the guilt of this sin was imputed; and the same death in sin, and corrupted nature, conveyed to all their posterity descending from them by ordinary generation.
IV. From this original corruption, whereby we are utterly indisposed, disabled, and made opposite to all good, and wholly inclined to all evil, do proceed all actual transgressions.
So you will ask "Where is the false doctrine", and the answers are below:
A. TOTAL DENIAL OF THE CONSCIENCE AND ITS EFFECTS
II. By this sin they [Adam & Eve] fell from their original righteousness and communion, with God, and so became dead in sin, and wholly defiled in all the parts and faculties of soul and body.
IV. From this original corruption, whereby we are utterly indisposed, disabled, and made opposite to all good, and wholly inclined to all evil, do proceed all actual transgressions.
What these clauses are saying is that human beings are always and continuously evil. But that is NOT what the Bible teaches. The Bible says that:
1. God gives "light" to all men (John 1:4,9), which means that sinners are conscious of what is good and right:
In him [Christ] was life; and the life was the light of men...That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
2. God places a conscience within every man, which means that human beings are not continually, evil and do obey "the Law" written within their conscience (Romans 2:11-16):
11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another
16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
B. THE IMPUTATION OF ADAM'S GUILT TO THE HUMAN RACE
III. They being the root of all mankind, the guilt of this sin was imputed; and the same death in sin, and corrupted nature, conveyed to all their posterity descending from them by ordinary generation.
This makes all of humanity guilty for what Adam did. But since the Bible shows that not even Eve was made guilty for Adam's sin, it is completely false. The CONSEQUENCES of Adam's sin were that the Adamic sin nature was inherited from Adam by all human beings, and that is why every human being dies, and is also subject to the second death unless saved by grace.
Wherefore, as by one man [Adam] sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:...Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses...For if through the offence of one [Adam] many be dead...for the judgment was by [through] one [Adam] to condemnation [damnation]...For if by one man's [Adam's] offence death reigned by one...Therefore as by the offence of one [Adam] judgment came upon all men to condemnation [damnation]...For as by one man's [Adam's] disobedience many were made sinners... (Rom 5:12-21).
Nowhere does it say in this passage that Adam's GUILT was imputed to human beings.
TOTAL DEPRAVITY
Westminster Confession of Faith Chapter VI
II. By this sin they [Adam & Eve] fell from their original righteousness and communion, with God, and so became dead in sin, and wholly defiled in all the parts and faculties of soul and body.
III. They being the root of all mankind, the guilt of this sin was imputed; and the same death in sin, and corrupted nature, conveyed to all their posterity descending from them by ordinary generation.
IV. From this original corruption, whereby we are utterly indisposed, disabled, and made opposite to all good, and wholly inclined to all evil, do proceed all actual transgressions.
So you will ask "Where is the false doctrine", and the answers are below:
A. TOTAL DENIAL OF THE CONSCIENCE AND ITS EFFECTS
II. By this sin they [Adam & Eve] fell from their original righteousness and communion, with God, and so became dead in sin, and wholly defiled in all the parts and faculties of soul and body.
IV. From this original corruption, whereby we are utterly indisposed, disabled, and made opposite to all good, and wholly inclined to all evil, do proceed all actual transgressions.
What these clauses are saying is that human beings are always and continuously evil. But that is NOT what the Bible teaches. The Bible says that:
1. God gives "light" to all men (John 1:4,9), which means that sinners are conscious of what is good and right:
In him [Christ] was life; and the life was the light of men...That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
2. God places a conscience within every man, which means that human beings are not continually, evil and do obey "the Law" written within their conscience (Romans 2:11-16):
11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another
16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
B. THE IMPUTATION OF ADAM'S GUILT TO THE HUMAN RACE
III. They being the root of all mankind, the guilt of this sin was imputed; and the same death in sin, and corrupted nature, conveyed to all their posterity descending from them by ordinary generation.
This makes all of humanity guilty for what Adam did. But since the Bible shows that not even Eve was made guilty for Adam's sin, it is completely false. The CONSEQUENCES of Adam's sin were that the Adamic sin nature was inherited from Adam by all human beings, and that is why every human being dies, and is also subject to the second death unless saved by grace.
Wherefore, as by one man [Adam] sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:...Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses...For if through the offence of one [Adam] many be dead...for the judgment was by [through] one [Adam] to condemnation [damnation]...For if by one man's [Adam's] offence death reigned by one...Therefore as by the offence of one [Adam] judgment came upon all men to condemnation [damnation]...For as by one man's [Adam's] disobedience many were made sinners... (Rom 5:12-21).
Nowhere does it say in this passage that Adam's GUILT was imputed to human beings.
Ok awesome! All your replies have been helpful so far.
I want to ask some questions about Total Depravity. From the initial sound of it, it seems a bit redundant at first glance. Correct me if I'm wrong but the idea based on the definition of the words is that as we are born into sin, we are totally depraved. In other words there's not one good bone in our body. Not one inkling of goodness because of our fallen state. My question is, does that matter? Because of God's Holy nature, what does any 'amount' of depravity matter? Whether we are totally depraved, partially depraved, or have a speck of depravity on us, none of that can be acceptable to a Holy God. So why the emphasis on total?
Please don't misunderstand me. I do not ask these questions to challenge your views nor do I seek to 'convert' anyone to a non-Calvinist view. But I am genuinely curious and hopefully can gain a bit more understanding into these views.
I want to ask some questions about Total Depravity. From the initial sound of it, it seems a bit redundant at first glance. Correct me if I'm wrong but the idea based on the definition of the words is that as we are born into sin, we are totally depraved. In other words there's not one good bone in our body. Not one inkling of goodness because of our fallen state. My question is, does that matter? Because of God's Holy nature, what does any 'amount' of depravity matter? Whether we are totally depraved, partially depraved, or have a speck of depravity on us, none of that can be acceptable to a Holy God. So why the emphasis on total?
Please don't misunderstand me. I do not ask these questions to challenge your views nor do I seek to 'convert' anyone to a non-Calvinist view. But I am genuinely curious and hopefully can gain a bit more understanding into these views.
if you really want to understand Reformed theology, go to sources like the one Lynn linked. most folks who negate it don't really understand it, in my estimation.
may the Lord bless you in your search.
another way to put it is total inability. because 'total depravity' is not the same as utter depravity (man being as bad as he can possibly be). the T reflects that we are unwilling and indeed unable to come to Christ if God doesn't act first.
if you really want to understand Reformed theology, go to sources like the one Lynn linked. most folks who negate it don't really understand it, in my estimation.
may the Lord bless you in your search.
if you really want to understand Reformed theology, go to sources like the one Lynn linked. most folks who negate it don't really understand it, in my estimation.
may the Lord bless you in your search.
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Ok awesome! All your replies have been helpful so far.
I want to ask some questions about Total Depravity. From the initial sound of it, it seems a bit redundant at first glance. Correct me if I'm wrong but the idea based on the definition of the words is that as we are born into sin, we are totally depraved. In other words there's not one good bone in our body. Not one inkling of goodness because of our fallen state. My question is, does that matter? Because of God's Holy nature, what does any 'amount' of depravity matter? Whether we are totally depraved, partially depraved, or have a speck of depravity on us, none of that can be acceptable to a Holy God. So why the emphasis on total?
Please don't misunderstand me. I do not ask these questions to challenge your views nor do I seek to 'convert' anyone to a non-Calvinist view. But I am genuinely curious and hopefully can gain a bit more understanding into these views.
I want to ask some questions about Total Depravity. From the initial sound of it, it seems a bit redundant at first glance. Correct me if I'm wrong but the idea based on the definition of the words is that as we are born into sin, we are totally depraved. In other words there's not one good bone in our body. Not one inkling of goodness because of our fallen state. My question is, does that matter? Because of God's Holy nature, what does any 'amount' of depravity matter? Whether we are totally depraved, partially depraved, or have a speck of depravity on us, none of that can be acceptable to a Holy God. So why the emphasis on total?
Please don't misunderstand me. I do not ask these questions to challenge your views nor do I seek to 'convert' anyone to a non-Calvinist view. But I am genuinely curious and hopefully can gain a bit more understanding into these views.
Like asking a blind man to see.
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It's a flower.
Something that is planted in soil.
Prepared soil. Then it starts to grow.
As it does we see growth, we see shoots.
As it grows we see the beautiful flower.
Something that is planted in soil.
Prepared soil. Then it starts to grow.
As it does we see growth, we see shoots.
As it grows we see the beautiful flower.