Intriguing thing I noticed about Abraham

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Miri

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#1
Yeah I know I keep asking things no one knows the answer to, including me!

But hey it makes for interesting discussions and it makes a change from the
usual topics of discussion. Plus I’m only a woman and women do tend to fixate on
minor details more than men. Like what shade or lippy is puce and does my but
(notice I used the American word) look big in this. Plus I’m from the UK and we
Brits are all eccentric. :D

Anyway where were we, oh yes first read this (two versions better than one).


Genesis 17:1-2 NKJV
[1] When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the LORD appeared to Abram and said
to him, "I am Almighty God; walk before Me and be blameless. [2] And I will make
My covenant between Me and you, and will multiply you exceedingly."


Genesis 17:1-2 AMPC
[1] WHEN ABRAM was ninety-nine years old, the Lord appeared to him and said,
I am the Almighty God; walk and live habitually before Me and be perfect
(blameless, wholehearted, complete). [2] And I will make My covenant (solemn pledge)
between Me and you and will multiply you exceedingly.



Chapter 17 comes way before Abraham was called to go to the promised land.
Way before Abraham was told his decendents would be like the stars in the sky.
Way before the Hagar/Sarah sorry tale of woe.
Way before the first time God promised an heir to Abraham.
Evan before his name was changed from Abram to Abraham.

Yet here is God saying to 99 year old Abraham “walk before me and be
blameless.”


Incidentally chapter 12 tells us Abraham was 75 when God first called him out.

So 24 years later God is still telling him to walk blameless before God.

Now im wondering why. Do you think that maybe Abraham didn’t really get it
the first time, the previous chapters suggest he didn’t entirely trust God,
although he did trust enough to leave family and country when he was 75.
But then he did try to push through God’s promise and Ishmael was the result.

Is it possible that after 24 years Abraham had given up on the promise, so God
had to remind him of it.

Is it possible that prior to this Abraham was still a diamond in the rough and wasn’t
exactly walking blameless before God.

Is it possible he had just given up trusting.

Is it possible God was just reminding a 99 year old that trusting in Him was still as
relevant now as it was 24 years ago.

One thing I did think, is that it shows we are never too old to start walking with
the Lord. I think it also shows that Abraham was just like us, impatient, lacking
faith, wondering when the blessings promised would actually materialise!

God seemed to know just when He was fully ready though as the name change also
came 24 years later. Maybe it just took 24 years for him to become that man who
fully walked with God and fully trusted.

I think I’m starting to like Abraham more and more, he doesn’t seem so quite super
human any more, just a normal family guy.
 

MarcR

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Miri,


and be thou perfect וֶהְיֵה֥ תָמִיֽם means continue to be (in) integrity. [the in is not present but English syntax demands it.]
 
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Stranger36147

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#3
I think I’m starting to like Abraham more and more, he doesn’t seem so quite super
human any more, just a normal family guy.
I think the people in the Bible were never meant to be seen as superhuman. At the end of the day, they were ordinary people who were given extraordinary tasks and blessings from God.
 

Adstar

Senior Member
Jul 24, 2016
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#4
Yeah I know I keep asking things no one knows the answer to, including me!

But hey it makes for interesting discussions and it makes a change from the
usual topics of discussion. Plus I’m only a woman and women do tend to fixate on
minor details more than men. Like what shade or lippy is puce and does my but
(notice I used the American word) look big in this. Plus I’m from the UK and we
Brits are all eccentric. :D

Anyway where were we, oh yes first read this (two versions better than one).


Genesis 17:1-2 NKJV
[1] When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the LORD appeared to Abram and said
to him, "I am Almighty God; walk before Me and be blameless. [2] And I will make
My covenant between Me and you, and will multiply you exceedingly."


Genesis 17:1-2 AMPC
[1] WHEN ABRAM was ninety-nine years old, the Lord appeared to him and said,
I am the Almighty God; walk and live habitually before Me and be perfect
(blameless, wholehearted, complete). [2] And I will make My covenant (solemn pledge)
between Me and you and will multiply you exceedingly.



Chapter 17 comes way before Abraham was called to go to the promised land.
Way before Abraham was told his decendents would be like the stars in the sky.
Way before the Hagar/Sarah sorry tale of woe.
Way before the first time God promised an heir to Abraham.
Evan before his name was changed from Abram to Abraham.

Yet here is God saying to 99 year old Abraham “walk before me and be
blameless.”


Incidentally chapter 12 tells us Abraham was 75 when God first called him out.

So 24 years later God is still telling him to walk blameless before God.

Now im wondering why. Do you think that maybe Abraham didn’t really get it
the first time, the previous chapters suggest he didn’t entirely trust God,
although he did trust enough to leave family and country when he was 75.
But then he did try to push through God’s promise and Ishmael was the result.

Is it possible that after 24 years Abraham had given up on the promise, so God
had to remind him of it.

Is it possible that prior to this Abraham was still a diamond in the rough and wasn’t
exactly walking blameless before God.

Is it possible he had just given up trusting.

Is it possible God was just reminding a 99 year old that trusting in Him was still as
relevant now as it was 24 years ago.

One thing I did think, is that it shows we are never too old to start walking with
the Lord. I think it also shows that Abraham was just like us, impatient, lacking
faith, wondering when the blessings promised would actually materialise!

God seemed to know just when He was fully ready though as the name change also
came 24 years later. Maybe it just took 24 years for him to become that man who
fully walked with God and fully trusted.

I think I’m starting to like Abraham more and more, he doesn’t seem so quite super
human any more, just a normal family guy.
Only one Bible quote is needed.. :D

Genesis 17: KJV
1 "And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect. {2} And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly."

Why can't God offer encouragement and a reminder to one He has already established a relationship without it being seen by third parties as God attacking them for their lack of trust in God? ....

" Maybe it just took 24 years for him to become that man who fully walked with God and fully trusted. "


Maybe Gods plan from the very start was not to activate His promises until 24 years after He established a relationship with Abraham.. Maybe God wanted His blessing to be undeniable to other humans looking on,, to see a man and his wife conceive and have a baby so many years after nature would deem it possible for His wife to be fertile and able to carry a baby to term successfully...

We humans so often want results in the here and now when dealing with God. And if we don't get them then our minds look for Someone to blame, Someone is in the wrong. But we are dealing with God who exists in Eternity.

Patience is a virtue when dealing with God because 24 years is as nothing to one who dwells in Eternity.. :)
 

bluto

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Aug 4, 2016
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#5
Yeah I know I keep asking things no one knows the answer to, including me!

But hey it makes for interesting discussions and it makes a change from the
usual topics of discussion. Plus I’m only a woman and women do tend to fixate on
minor details more than men. Like what shade or lippy is puce and does my but
(notice I used the American word) look big in this. Plus I’m from the UK and we
Brits are all eccentric. :D

Anyway where were we, oh yes first read this (two versions better than one).


Genesis 17:1-2 NKJV
[1] When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the LORD appeared to Abram and said
to him, "I am Almighty God; walk before Me and be blameless. [2] And I will make
My covenant between Me and you, and will multiply you exceedingly."


Genesis 17:1-2 AMPC
[1] WHEN ABRAM was ninety-nine years old, the Lord appeared to him and said,
I am the Almighty God; walk and live habitually before Me and be perfect
(blameless, wholehearted, complete). [2] And I will make My covenant (solemn pledge)
between Me and you and will multiply you exceedingly.



Chapter 17 comes way before Abraham was called to go to the promised land.
Way before Abraham was told his decendents would be like the stars in the sky.
Way before the Hagar/Sarah sorry tale of woe.
Way before the first time God promised an heir to Abraham.
Evan before his name was changed from Abram to Abraham.

Yet here is God saying to 99 year old Abraham “walk before me and be
blameless.”


Incidentally chapter 12 tells us Abraham was 75 when God first called him out.

So 24 years later God is still telling him to walk blameless before God.

Now im wondering why. Do you think that maybe Abraham didn’t really get it
the first time, the previous chapters suggest he didn’t entirely trust God,
although he did trust enough to leave family and country when he was 75.
But then he did try to push through God’s promise and Ishmael was the result.

Is it possible that after 24 years Abraham had given up on the promise, so God
had to remind him of it.

Is it possible that prior to this Abraham was still a diamond in the rough and wasn’t
exactly walking blameless before God.

Is it possible he had just given up trusting.

Is it possible God was just reminding a 99 year old that trusting in Him was still as
relevant now as it was 24 years ago.

One thing I did think, is that it shows we are never too old to start walking with
the Lord. I think it also shows that Abraham was just like us, impatient, lacking
faith, wondering when the blessings promised would actually materialise!

God seemed to know just when He was fully ready though as the name change also
came 24 years later. Maybe it just took 24 years for him to become that man who
fully walked with God and fully trusted.

I think I’m starting to like Abraham more and more, he doesn’t seem so quite super
human any more, just a normal family guy.
Let me throw a "monkey wrench" into this by saying that God/Jesus Christ physically appeared to Abraham at Genesis 12:7 did not tell Abraham to walk upright and be blameless in chapter 12. However, notice what Abraham says at Genesis 12:13, "Please say that you are my sister so that it may go well with me because of your, and that I may live on account of you." Was Abraham blameless when he made this statement?

In other words, I think your statement here sums it up, "God seemed to know just when He was fully ready though as the name change also
came 24 years later. Maybe it just took 24 years for him to become that man who
fully walked with God and fully trusted." If you think about it many men and women in the Bible were called when God deemed it the right time, Moses is another very good example. :eek:

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
 
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#6
Yeah I know I keep asking things no one knows the answer to, including me!

But hey it makes for interesting discussions and it makes a change from the
usual topics of discussion. Plus I’m only a woman and women do tend to fixate on
minor details more than men. Like what shade or lippy is puce and does my but
(notice I used the American word) look big in this. Plus I’m from the UK and we
Brits are all eccentric. :D

Anyway where were we, oh yes first read this (two versions better than one).


Genesis 17:1-2 NKJV
[1] When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the LORD appeared to Abram and said
to him, "I am Almighty God; walk before Me and be blameless. [2] And I will make
My covenant between Me and you, and will multiply you exceedingly."


Genesis 17:1-2 AMPC
[1] WHEN ABRAM was ninety-nine years old, the Lord appeared to him and said,
I am the Almighty God; walk and live habitually before Me and be perfect
(blameless, wholehearted, complete). [2] And I will make My covenant (solemn pledge)
between Me and you and will multiply you exceedingly.



Chapter 17 comes way before Abraham was called to go to the promised land.
Way before Abraham was told his decendents would be like the stars in the sky.
Way before the Hagar/Sarah sorry tale of woe.
Way before the first time God promised an heir to Abraham.
Evan before his name was changed from Abram to Abraham.

Yet here is God saying to 99 year old Abraham “walk before me and be
blameless.”


Incidentally chapter 12 tells us Abraham was 75 when God first called him out.

So 24 years later God is still telling him to walk blameless before God.

Now im wondering why. Do you think that maybe Abraham didn’t really get it
the first time, the previous chapters suggest he didn’t entirely trust God,
although he did trust enough to leave family and country when he was 75.
But then he did try to push through God’s promise and Ishmael was the result.

Is it possible that after 24 years Abraham had given up on the promise, so God
had to remind him of it.

Is it possible that prior to this Abraham was still a diamond in the rough and wasn’t
exactly walking blameless before God.

Is it possible he had just given up trusting.

Is it possible God was just reminding a 99 year old that trusting in Him was still as
relevant now as it was 24 years ago.

One thing I did think, is that it shows we are never too old to start walking with
the Lord. I think it also shows that Abraham was just like us, impatient, lacking
faith, wondering when the blessings promised would actually materialise!

God seemed to know just when He was fully ready though as the name change also
came 24 years later. Maybe it just took 24 years for him to become that man who
fully walked with God and fully trusted.

I think I’m starting to like Abraham more and more, he doesn’t seem so quite super
human any more, just a normal family guy.

Hi good stuff.

I can offer a few suggestions.

Sorry in advance for the rambling.

I would agree I think Abraham who walked by faith, the unseen, might have been familiar with the new testament principle ; he must become greater we must become lesser.

I would say the phrase “walk before me and be blameless.” is like the commandment “be perfect as he is perfect”.

To walk is to understand by faith the unseen, or not understand according to ourselves. That understanding would be in respect to the author and finisher of our new faith, the faith of Christ, our teacher guide and comforter. It comes from hearing God as the same spirit of faith according as it is written.

This is by believing God not seen just as we are informed in John 6, when the disciples in effect asked what work they could do to have confidence they will be heard on high.? Or how we can prove we believe God? It was like they were requiring a sign before they would commit faith, believe God, and not walking by faith but walking by sight.

Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent. Joh 6:28

It is the work of God working in us spoken of in Philippians2:12-13 that we can believe. Believing as a imputed work of righteousness purifies our hearts making us complete or perfect in Him. And in the end show us what kind of manner of love he has freely given us. I think 1 John reflects .

Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.And every man that hath this hope in
him purifieth himself, even as he is pure. 1Jo 3:1

And I do think it is the work of God does remind us of the things he has taught us. It befits His name as a immutable attribute. The Comforter. It is him who comforts us in that way of a reminder. In that way we have the confidence that he who began the good work in us will finish it to the end and then we will receive the promise of His perfection our new incorruptible bodies.


It was a while back when the word and seemed to jump off the page. The and is the comfort we receive when he reminds us turning us to repent, comfort our own selves.

But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. Joh 14:26

As new creatures we can “walk before Him and be blameless.” because he does purify our hearts by a faith that comes from hearing his voice. His first work working in us by which we believe Him not seen.

Not believing him seen ( Nicole the leader of sect of the Nicolaitanes) they had left their first love... (believing God not seen). It would seem that portion of scripture is a comforting call of faith as a daily reminder to keep our eyes on Jesus the author and finisher of our new faith. Like our daily bread, daily reminder, a purifying hope not of our selves.It will not disappoint us.

Note..... (purple in parenthesis) my personal comments.

Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted.Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.(hearing God) Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works;(believe God not seen) or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitanes,(as that seen) which I also hate.He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; (Not what Nicole or any man says) Rev 2:1-7
 
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Miri

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Miri,


and be thou perfect וֶהְיֵה֥ תָמִיֽם means continue to be (in) integrity. [the in is not present but English syntax demands it.]


Oh very interesting thanks Marc, that would make sense.
 
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Miri

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I think the people in the Bible were never meant to be seen as superhuman. At the end of the day, they were ordinary people who were given extraordinary tasks and blessings from God.

Indeed they were, but compared to me they seem superhuman.

If God told me to wander around a desert for 40 years with a million or so
people who kept complaining. I think I would have needed a bucket load of
Valium. Lol
 
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Miri

Guest
#9
Only one Bible quote is needed.. :D

Genesis 17: KJV
1 "And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect. {2} And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly."

Why can't God offer encouragement and a reminder to one He has already established a relationship without it being seen by third parties as God attacking them for their lack of trust in God? (Me - It wasn’t an attack. It was an honest question. At work when training people up, we explain there isn’t any silly questions).

" Maybe it just took 24 years for him to become that man who fully walked with God and fully trusted. "


Maybe Gods plan from the very start was not to activate His promises until 24 years after He established a relationship with Abraham.. Maybe God wanted His blessing to be undeniable to other humans looking on,, to see a man and his wife conceive and have a baby so many years after nature would deem it possible for His wife to be fertile and able to carry a baby to term successfully...

We humans so often want results in the here and now when dealing with God. And if we don't get them then our minds look for Someone to blame, Someone is in the wrong. But we are dealing with God who exists in Eternity.

Patience is a virtue when dealing with God because 24 years is as nothing to one who dwells in Eternity.. :)

I agree patience was certainly needed and only 24 years, a short time in the
grand scheme of things, but there again for a 99 year old it might as well have been never.
Although Abraham wasn’t as patient and trusting as he could have been. He did try to force
the blessings through by having a son with Hagar.

As you say, we want it straight away. I wonder though, if any of us had been in that position,
if we would have held onto the promised blessings for so long.
 
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Miri

Guest
#10
Let me throw a "monkey wrench" into this by saying that God/Jesus Christ physically appeared to Abraham at Genesis 12:7 did not tell Abraham to walk upright and be blameless in chapter 12. However, notice what Abraham says at Genesis 12:13, "Please say that you are my sister so that it may go well with me because of your, and that I may live on account of you." Was Abraham blameless when he made this statement?

In other words, I think your statement here sums it up, "God seemed to know just when He was fully ready though as the name change also
came 24 years later. Maybe it just took 24 years for him to become that man who
fully walked with God and fully trusted." If you think about it many men and women in the Bible were called when God deemed it the right time, Moses is another very good example. :eek:

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
Also verse ch 12 v 2. God said He would make Abraham a great nation.

I think Abraham acted like most of us would do. Happy to hear something from
God and go wow. But then later wonder exactly what that meant and entailed.

Did that include suffering or no suffering along the way. Would there still be a
possibility that he might have to suffer at the hands of Pharoah. Maybe to be sure I
will come up with a plan B..... that may well have been his thinking.

Although even in his lack of trust, God still turned it around and Abraham ended up
with gifts from Pharoah.
 
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heartofdavid

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#11
Hmmm
I see the exact opposite.
List all his attributes,conquests,and that deal with sacrificing his son,and i am left with " is this guy some superhuman "?
 
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heartofdavid

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#12
...also i am pretty sure the hagar thingy was Sarah's plan. Abe went along with her suggestion.
 
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Miri

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#13
...also i am pretty sure the hagar thingy was Sarah's plan. Abe went along with her suggestion.

Typical, the man always points to the woman and said she made me do it. :p
 
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#14
Yeah I know I keep asking things no one knows the answer to, including me!

But hey it makes for interesting discussions and it makes a change from the
usual topics of discussion. Plus I’m only a woman and women do tend to fixate on
minor details more than men. Like what shade or lippy is puce and does my but
(notice I used the American word) look big in this. Plus I’m from the UK and we
Brits are all eccentric. :D

Anyway where were we, oh yes first read this (two versions better than one).


Genesis 17:1-2 NKJV
[1] When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the LORD appeared to Abram and said
to him, "I am Almighty God; walk before Me and be blameless. [2] And I will make
My covenant between Me and you, and will multiply you exceedingly."


Genesis 17:1-2 AMPC
[1] WHEN ABRAM was ninety-nine years old, the Lord appeared to him and said,
I am the Almighty God; walk and live habitually before Me and be perfect
(blameless, wholehearted, complete). [2] And I will make My covenant (solemn pledge)
between Me and you and will multiply you exceedingly.



Chapter 17 comes way before Abraham was called to go to the promised land.
Way before Abraham was told his decendents would be like the stars in the sky.
Way before the Hagar/Sarah sorry tale of woe.
Way before the first time God promised an heir to Abraham.
Evan before his name was changed from Abram to Abraham.

Yet here is God saying to 99 year old Abraham “walk before me and be
blameless.”


Incidentally chapter 12 tells us Abraham was 75 when God first called him out.

So 24 years later God is still telling him to walk blameless before God.

Now im wondering why. Do you think that maybe Abraham didn’t really get it
the first time, the previous chapters suggest he didn’t entirely trust God,
although he did trust enough to leave family and country when he was 75.
But then he did try to push through God’s promise and Ishmael was the result.

Is it possible that after 24 years Abraham had given up on the promise, so God
had to remind him of it.

Is it possible that prior to this Abraham was still a diamond in the rough and wasn’t
exactly walking blameless before God.

Is it possible he had just given up trusting.

Is it possible God was just reminding a 99 year old that trusting in Him was still as
relevant now as it was 24 years ago.

One thing I did think, is that it shows we are never too old to start walking with
the Lord. I think it also shows that Abraham was just like us, impatient, lacking
faith, wondering when the blessings promised would actually materialise!

God seemed to know just when He was fully ready though as the name change also
came 24 years later. Maybe it just took 24 years for him to become that man who
fully walked with God and fully trusted.

I think I’m starting to like Abraham more and more, he doesn’t seem so quite super
human any more, just a normal family guy.
First a correction. But is the same word you use between to clauses in a sentence. EX. "I was going to go for a walk, but it's too cold."

Butt is what we fear shows too big with new outfit. :p

Second, thanks. I feel better that I'm taking too long to grow up in the Lord.

But, (with one T), I also need encouragement sometimes. If the Lord tells me to dig a ditch that way, something in me will wonder, a mere 24 years later, if I heard him right, because I'm still digging the same ditch. Maybe I was supposed to dig in the other direction. Maybe he wanted me to plant a ficus into a runoff drain. (Get it? Ficus? The fig family. So I thought he said, "dig a ditch," and he really meant "fig a ditch." lol) Maybe he just wanted me to dig a hole 24 years ago, and I'm thinking I should keep going until he stops me from digging. Sometimes I really need to hear from him again, when what he had me do doesn't feel particularly relevant all these years later.
 

Nehemiah6

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Typical, the man always points to the woman and said she made me do it.
Scripture tells us that it was Sarah who brought Hagar to Abraham, and that it was not his idea. So you cannot apply that statement in this case.

And Sarai said unto Abram, Behold now, the LORD hath restrained me from bearing: I pray thee, go in unto my maid; it may be that I may obtain children by her. And Abram hearkened to the voice of Sarai. (Gen 16:2).

Sarah was trying to use Hagar as a *surrogate mother*, and in this case both Abraham and Sarah made a huge mistake.
 
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Miri

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But...butt...maybe I should just stick to bottom lol.

One thing with digging a ditch, dig it deep enough and long enough and you will see light
at the bottom, (a different kind of bottom).

I suppose its another way of describing light at the end of the tunnel, some tunnels are
very long.
 
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Miri

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#17
Scripture tells us that it was Sarah who brought Hagar to Abraham, and that it was not his idea. So you cannot apply that statement in this case.

And Sarai said unto Abram, Behold now, the LORD hath restrained me from bearing: I pray thee, go in unto my maid; it may be that I may obtain children by her. And Abram hearkened to the voice of Sarai. (Gen 16:2).

Sarah was trying to use Hagar as a *surrogate mother*, and in this case both Abraham and Sarah made a huge mistake.

There is a pattern though God told Adam not to eat of the fruit, not Eve.

The Lord told Abraham he would bare a son, not Sarah.

Both Adam and Abraham should have listened to God and not their wives.
Their wives didn’t make them do anything.
 

NayborBear

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#18
"Now im wondering why. Do you think that maybe Abraham didn’t really get it
the first time, the previous chapters suggest he didn’t entirely trust God,
although he did trust enough to leave family and country when he was 75.
But then he did try to push through God’s promise and Ishmael was the result."


In reference to the last line you wrote. I dunno, if you put that in there in trying to catch someone, or, in trying to firm up the point you were making. But anyways, I almost fell out of my chair, from laughing. You were saying how Abraham tried to "push through" the "Hagar incident." At the same time I was reading this, and laughing, about how many times poor "hen-pecked" Abraham had to endure Sarah's disbelief, til he finally "relented" and simply said: "Yes, dear, what ever it takes for you to stick a sock in your mouth."....:p:p:p
Abraham's comment was most certainly said out of earshot from Sarah!......:p:p:p AS he was escorting Hagar to the bedroom!
 
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Let me throw a "monkey wrench" into this by saying that God/Jesus Christ physically appeared to Abraham at Genesis 12:7 did not tell Abraham to walk upright and be blameless in chapter 12. However, notice what Abraham says at Genesis 12:13, "Please say that you are my sister so that it may go well with me because of your, and that I may live on account of you." Was Abraham blameless when he made this statement?

In other words, I think your statement here sums it up, "God seemed to know just when He was fully ready though as the name change also
came 24 years later. Maybe it just took 24 years for him to become that man who
fully walked with God and fully trusted." If you think about it many men and women in the Bible were called when God deemed it the right time, Moses is another very good example. :eek:

IN GOD THE SON,
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Actually he first disobeyed in 12:5, notice the bold and underlined.

12:1
“Go forth from your country,
And from your relatives
And from your father’s house,
To the land which I will show you;

12:5
Abram took Sarai his wife and Lot his nephew, and all their possessions which they had accumulated, and the persons which they had acquired in Haran, and they set out for the land of Canaan; thus they came to the land of Canaan.
 
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"Now im wondering why. Do you think that maybe Abraham didn’t really get it
the first time, the previous chapters suggest he didn’t entirely trust God,
although he did trust enough to leave family and country when he was 75.
But then he did try to push through God’s promise and Ishmael was the result."


In reference to the last line you wrote. I dunno, if you put that in there in trying to catch someone, or, in trying to firm up the point you were making. But anyways, I almost fell out of my chair, from laughing. You were saying how Abraham tried to "push through" the "Hagar incident." At the same time I was reading this, and laughing, about how many times poor "hen-pecked" Abraham had to endure Sarah's disbelief, til he finally "relented" and simply said: "Yes, dear, what ever it takes for you to stick a sock in your mouth."....:p:p:p
Abraham's comment was most certainly said out of earshot from Sarah!......:p:p:p AS he was escorting Hagar to the bedroom!
You think Abraham was hen pecked, what about poor Jacob, he was pretty much
treated as nothing more than a baby making machine. Lol
Maybe it was payback for all his previous deception.

See from Genesis 29 v 31

The early partriachs really were from mars and their ladies from Venus.