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pottersclay

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So I told all my kids, I put a roof over your heads, food in your bellies, you are warm and safe, but if you disobey me once you'll find yourselves dead.

Is this too harsh?
 

Adstar

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Imagine God saying this to us.
God did say this in the Torah..

But He also revealed the Way to escape His strict punishment for disobeying His rules in the Gospel.. The Good News..
Through the Atonement of the LORD Jesus Christ..
 

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So I told all my kids, I put a roof over your heads, food in your bellies, you are warm and safe, but if you disobey me once you'll find yourselves dead.

Is this too harsh?
Yes because a Christian is not to carry out the judgement of the death penalty upon others.. Do not judge, leave it to God..
 

Marcelo

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So I told all my kids, I put a roof over your heads, food in your bellies, you are warm and safe, but if you disobey me once you'll find yourselves dead.

Is this too harsh?
Maybe it's too harsh, but in many cases it works.
 
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pottersclay

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Now I told them the do's and dont's so its up to them.
 

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So I told all my kids, I put a roof over your heads, food in your bellies, you are warm and safe, but if you disobey me once you'll find yourselves dead.

Is this too harsh?
It does seem a little bit harsh. When I was growing up my mom used to way "wait till your dad comes home". That certainly put the fear of God into me. Of course, my dad was a kind man and usually treated me with compassion and mercy. Just like my heavenly father.
 
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pottersclay

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I would like to explore the Genesis account based on the facts presented. I'm not here to teach but rather put away the myths and assumptions.
I believe that the more we understand the fall of man , the better our walk can be in the Lord. In other words if we don't learn from history we are doomed to repeat it in a sense.

I would like to break the accounts down to the basics and build from there. I think it would be fun and very interesting.
Your opinion matters but please stay away from a format of theolgy. Just the facts will do.

Starting point.

Now Adam was formed from dust and placed in the garden. Eve was made from Adams rib in the garden.
Does this say anything to you?
 

loveme1

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If the child were disobeying you and will be in great danger for doing so.. better to put the fear of GOD in them...
 
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So I told all my kids, I put a roof over your heads, food in your bellies, you are warm and safe, but if you disobey me once you'll find yourselves dead.

Is this too harsh?
Depends. How old are your kids?
 

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So I told all my kids, I put a roof over your heads, food in your bellies, you are warm and safe, but if you disobey me once you'll find yourselves dead.

Is this too harsh?
So...do you have any kids who are still alive?
 
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I would like to explore the Genesis account based on the facts presented. I'm not here to teach but rather put away the myths and assumptions.
I believe that the more we understand the fall of man , the better our walk can be in the Lord. In other words if we don't learn from history we are doomed to repeat it in a sense.

I would like to break the accounts down to the basics and build from there. I think it would be fun and very interesting.
Your opinion matters but please stay away from a format of theolgy. Just the facts will do.

Starting point.

Now Adam was formed from dust and placed in the garden. Eve was made from Adams rib in the garden.
Does this say anything to you?
Something tells me we're going to disagree on what the myths and assumptions are.
 

Zmouth

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Depends, if you tell them not to eat the rat poison and they do it anyway.....

Or if you tell them not to play with a firearm and while at friends house a loaded gun is found by the kids, if the kid plays along with his friend who pulls the trigger and the gun is loaded.......

So what about the soul that corrupts itself to the point that it can't hear the truth even when it reads it, but actually denies it.
It must be due to the fact it walks by faith and not by sight since faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Spirit of Truth. .
 

breno785au

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So I told all my kids, I put a roof over your heads, food in your bellies, you are warm and safe, but if you disobey me once you'll find yourselves dead.

Is this too harsh?
I think like any good parent, God warned them of the consequence of eating that fruit.
 
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pottersclay

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Besides death what does happen to a person that eats at the tree of good and evil?

To start off they become self centered and judgemental. Anything else?
 
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MarcR

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So I told all my kids, I put a roof over your heads, food in your bellies, you are warm and safe, but if you disobey me once you'll find yourselves dead.

Is this too harsh?

The biggest problem with it is that you have no intention of killing them; so the first time they disobey (and they certainly will) they will discover you lied to them and you will lose their trust.
 

BenFTW

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If you are making a parallel between your parenting and God's commandment to His creation (Adam and Eve), you have to put it in the right context. God's commandment could be equivalent to you telling your child to not jump off of a bridge that will lead to certain death. It isn't about harshness, but the consequences of the action taken. In the case of Adam and Eve, spiritual death would be the consequence of disobeying God and eating the fruit from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.

Likewise, if your child were to disobey you in jumping off of a bridge in disobedience, it too would lead to their death. Its not being stringent or harsh, its coming to grips with the reality that our actions have consequences, good or bad.

My father raised us with this in mind. Yes he laid down ground rules, taught us the Bible, right and wrong, but ultimately he let us know that we have the freedom to choose but know that there are consequences to your actions. In this way he wasn't holding anything back from us, as often such leads to rebellion, but rather allowed us to weigh our options and make an informed decision.
 
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pottersclay

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If you are making a parallel between your parenting and God's commandment to His creation (Adam and Eve), you have to put it in the right context. God's commandment could be equivalent to you telling your child to not jump off of a bridge that will lead to certain death. It isn't about harshness, but the consequences of the action taken. In the case of Adam and Eve, spiritual death would be the consequence of disobeying God and eating the fruit from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.

Likewise, if your child were to disobey you in jumping off of a bridge in disobedience, it too would lead to their death. Its not being stringent or harsh, its coming to grips with the reality that our actions have consequences, good or bad.

My father raised us with this in mind. Yes he laid down ground rules, taught us the Bible, right and wrong, but ultimately he let us know that we have the freedom to choose but know that there are consequences to your actions. In this way he wasn't holding anything back from us, as often such leads to rebellion, but rather allowed us to weigh our options and make an informed decision.
Glad to have you aboard brother.....so you are saying that God imposed a death penalty for disobedience.
 

BenFTW

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Glad to have you aboard brother.....so you are saying that God imposed a death penalty for disobedience.
No, God informed His creation of the consequence of their action, that so happens to be in disobedience to Him. Its like me telling you that if you jump in a pool of water you're going to get wet. I didn't impose that wetness upon you, I simply informed you of what consequential penalties would incur as a result of your actions. Likewise the penalty for sin is death.

PS: Glad to be aboard. :)