Rev timeline the scroll 4-11

Locutus · Dec 9, 2017

Totally made up story there AB - look, the resurrection, the rising of both the righteous and unrighteous, the destruction of the nation and its city and temple and the new creation are ALL old testament prophecies.

There is nothing in the new testament writings that speak of anything past the 1st century - Jesus himself said ALL that was written would be fulfilled in the 1st century AD conflagration starting with the compassing of armies:

Luke 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

Luke 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

Your futurist imaginings are all contradicted by Jesus and the new testament writers.

We are in the new covenant age - end of story, full stop.

abcdef · Dec 10, 2017

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Brother Locutus,

Locutus said:

Well, we do agree that the 6th seal is the dest of Jerusalem. That is a start. It's what comes after the seals in the timeline, the 7 trumpets, what do they represent? The time after the 7 seals and after the open scroll?

So if this was written even before the destruction, the trumpets would still be, shortly coming to pass, after 70 ad being shortly. 1-4 trumpets begin after the dest.

Please explain v 4, where the context indicates the time frame of the statements, "And they shall see His face". Do you see His face? You are trying to say that all this is 70 ad, well, do you see His face? Does anyone who is alive in the flesh see His face?

This is showing a time after death is destroyed (all death, physical and spiritual, a time that has not happened yet), And the kingdom comes DOWN from God (the kingdom coming down from God, can only be the result of Jesus delivering the kingdom up to the Father, after the last resurrection). 1 Cor 15:23-28.

After death, and we are in the Spirit, the true implications of this statement, "take the water of life freely" will roll over you like a river of life. Do realize what this is really saying, about our life with Jesus after this flesh is over? What we experience now in our greatest dreams, cannot begin to compare to this.

So when we die? We are immediately resurrected? There is no other resurrection to come? What about the unsaved? no resurrection for them? To stand before the judgment throne?

Where does it say that we are resurrected immediately upon our physical death?

If every man appears before the throne, then there must be another resurrection yet to come, you say immediate for you, but will the wicked not be judged also? Before the throne? Every knee shall bow, every tongue confess?

When the veil was rent, from the top to the bottom, the OT/law (10 and all), died, ended, it is finished, spiritless dead body temple, maybe not dead body buried, but D E A D.

You want to put the veil back together again, for a short time, try to sew it back together so that it will hold until 70 ad.

The Revelation is in OT prophetic/symbolic language. When the Revelation was given there was only the Law and the Prophets, no letters to the churches/people as a NT assembled yet. So those who received the letters of Revelation, probably looked at it exclusively through the "eyes" of the OT scriptures, and related the symbolism with events of history.

I'm sure that there are many others also who like to read what you have to say. I'm always learning something from you.

What scriptures do you have for that? Act 2, 2:38? You said that salvation was about being saved from the dest of Jeru, after a post like that, I'm not sure you can prove salvation beyond 70 ad.

OK then, tell me the exact time of the resurrection, that took place at the dest of Jerusalem in 70 ad.

67 ad? 68 ad? 69 ad? 70 ad? what scripture gives the time of the resurrection at the dest of Jerusalem?

Matt 24:22, "And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved:"

This points to a time in which there will flesh be saved, and it's not talking about Christians, wild branches, because they were not the ones being exterminated by the Romans at the dest. of Jeru and Israel, it was the natural broken branches.

So this shows a time after the dest when the natural broken flesh branches survive.

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And you say that the times of the gentiles Lk 21:20-24, was ONLY the time Roman siege until 70 ad, but the trampling of the gentile nations on the dirt city didn't end there did it? I mean it is OBVIOUS that the trampling didn't end in 70 ad, it ended in 1967.

The times of the gentiles is a time with a beginning and an end. When the trampling ends, dirt city Jerusalem is restored to Israel, the natural broken branches..

No they didn't, nobody knew because the scroll of 7 seals had not been revealed yet, the second 3 1/2 times. It could only be opened after Jerusalem was destroyed at the 6th seal. then the second 3 1/2 times could be revealed.

The second 3 1/2 times, is the times of the gentiles, 70 ad-1967.

(The 7 times, is the same time period as the statue of the gentile nations the rule Israel until they are restored to Jerusalem. Dan 2)

Yes, the dest of Jerusalem, and the times of the gentiles beginning, but no one understood the end until the Rev was given.

I agree about the time of the dest being near in scripture and OT.

But there are issues that I cannot resolve and be compatible with the, all done by 70 ad theory.

Death is destroyed,....is future,..... all death physical and spiritual.

The wedding,.....is future,.... after our death/rapt/resur, and death is destroyed, we are all assembled in the finished and completed kingdom, and delivered up to God. 1 Cor 15:23-28.

We shall see His face, ...... not in this life.

abcdef · Dec 10, 2017

, Brother Locutus,

Locutus said:

Yes

Except that those days be shortened, no flesh, etc., shows a time after the 1st century.

The 2 witness are restored to Jerusalem, and the woman in the wilderness (Israel, ch 12) is returned to her home Jerusalem after being in the wilderness of the gentile nations. (ToG's)

No, He said that Jerusalem had to be destroyed, so that all the prophecies about it would be fulfilled, so that the the dest would take it's place, in the line of prophetic fulfillment.

You want it to say, "That it completes all prophecy ever given", which it does not.

Jesus had to be born, so that all prophecy could be fulfilled.

Jesus had to die, so that all prophecy could be fulfilled.

Jesus had to resurrect, so that all prophecy could be fulfilled.

Yes, Jerusalem had to fall, so that all prophecy could be fulfilled.

But that is not the end of prophetic fulfillment, we still fulfill prophecy today, when we become Christians.

We still receive the gift of the Holy Spirit when we act upon the gospel preaching, Acts 2:38.

We still become part of the Kingdom.

Jesus is the King who speaks to us through His Word. He is speaking to us even today, drink the water of life Spirit.

His words are for people in the future also. Even to eternity.

Amen brother!

No, Just the end, of the beginning, of eternity.

Locutus · Dec 10, 2017

The wedding is past, the law did not end with the cross as is evident by what Jesus said:

Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

You cant have it both ways AB - heaven and earth did not pass at the cross - therefore law was still in effect after the cross.

If heaven and earth did not pass in 70 AD then the law with all the jots and tittles is still in effect.

abcdef · Dec 10, 2017

Locutus said:

The wedding cannot take place until Jesus delivers the kingdom up to the Father 1 Cor 15:23-28, after death is destroyed.

That happens after the 2nd resurrection, so even that would be post dest of Jeru in your time line.

When a covenant is fulfilled, it is ended.

The veil is torn, you can't sew it back together.

In the verse before that Jesus says that the Law is to be fulfilled, none of it will pass until Jesus fulfills it.

Heaven and earth did pass at the cross, the spirit passed through the veil and left the temple.

The law died with Jesus. Then the temple was just a dead body, to be buried by 70 ad.

Following your logic to the next step, someone could bring the Law back to life by rebuilding the temple and Jerusalem, and performing the rituals again.

You could reinstate the OT by rebuilding the buildings of the temple.

That is what you are saying, by implying that the covenant was in the buildings and not the Spirit.

If the buildings had to be destroyed before the Law could end, then you could bring the Law back into force by rebuilding the temple.

But it isn't about the temple building, it's about the covenants.

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Please consider this,

The old covenant ended on the cross, dead.

The new covenant/kingdom began on Pentecost.

God's blessings on Israel continued until the kingdom was rejected.

After that the blessings of God's protection began to be withdrawn.

The protection was finally removed when the last Christians left Jerusalem, this is the heavens flying away as a scroll at the 6th trumpet.

So you could say that the Law died on the cross, but was buried with Jerusalem.

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So how long is the process of heaven and earth passing away, from when it starts, until it ends? From the death of Jesus, until the dest? until 70ad?

Locutus · Dec 10, 2017

According to Hebrews the old was still in effect when it was written, so to claim it went with the cross is contradicting what is written:

(Heb 8:13 KJV) In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Ready to vanish away 30 or so years after the cross.

Another thing you are missing is that the judgment on Jerusalem was for covenant violation - the old not the new.

Isa 24:5 The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant.

The book of revelation is the fulfilling of the old covenant curses upon apostate Israel of the 1st century AD.

The scroll that is opened is the listing of charges and punishment to be dealt out to them for covenant violation

Rev 5:1 And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.

If the old covenant was done at the cross then God had no covenantal law to judge them with.

abcdef · Dec 11, 2017

Locutus said:

Heb 8:7-13, Jer 31:31-34,

Paul was quoting Jeremiah, making the point that the old covenant was waxing old at Jeremiah's time, when the passage was first written.

He was using it as confirmation that the old covenant was already passed away. Heb 10:20, "...,through the veil,..."

Jerusalem was destroyed because they did not accept the gospel Pentecost kingdom.

If they had embraced the kingdom, then probably Jerusalem would not have been destroyed.

The Law is not an everlasting covenant, That is, it's end is to be lost in love, the eternal new covenant after death, present now, but not to it's fullest extent, as in, after death.

It is a school teacher to bring us to the new covenant in Jesus.

You say that it ended also, so it can't be the OT, and can only be the new covenant.

The covenant with Jesus is the everlasting one.

The seals show fulfillment of prophecy concerning the dest of Jeru in 70 ad., from Ezek ch 5

God withdraws His blessings on the natural branches for rejecting the kingdom/king.

When God withdraws His blessings and protection, evil comes rushing in, like a flood.

Instead of repenting, the natural branches continue to reject the gospel until the end of 70 ad.

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No, the punishment for the "OT sins" died and was paid for on the cross.

The seals are for rejecting the Pentecost kingdom and the new covenant.

The book/scroll contains the story of the natural broken branches from the dest of Jeru, until the 7th trumpet where Jesus comes for the kingdom, the story of the 2 witnesses.

Those who do not believe in Jesus as the Son of God are judged already.

What law did God judge men with, before the Law of Moses? What was the law, at the time of Noah? Melchizedek?

What law did God judge men with, once the kingdom came on Pentecost?

Locutus · Dec 11, 2017

abcdef · Dec 12, 2017

The 5th trumpet, continued. Rev 9:1-2,

The abyss opens up, and out comes the beast that kills the 2 witnesses Rev 11:7.

So who is the beast? The beast is the iron of Dan. 2, the 4th beast of Dan 7, the beast with 7 heads and 10 horns in Rev 17, a city, Rome.

The beast has the spirit of the dragon, and that spirit is to kill the woman Rev 12, and her children who, etc. v 17.

Israel wild and natural branches, Satan wants to stop the gospel from being preached. (The OT bears witness also.)

So where does this beast come out of the pit? some think that the location of the abyss is on earth.

So if the beast is a city,and the city is Rome, where would the Roman beast city be when he comes out of the abyss?

OK, let me think....about it....um....Rome? ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, we have a winner Dave!

So when the beast Rome, comes out of the abyss, Rome returns to the same location it was, the same place that it once was, 2000 years ago!

And you may say, "That seems unlikely,"

But then, Jerusalem and Israel are restored, so how "unlikely" was that?

So now we have Rome and Caesar/BoR restored and Israel restored to Jerusalem.

So the dragon spirit in Rome will kill Israel.

How? He will deceive the kings of the east (Iran) into attacking Jerusalem. (6th trumpet, and Rev 16:13-14).

But why?

Because the RCC is the one and only ISRAEL/KINGDOM/CHURCH/ISRAEL. The RCC /church has replaced Israel, the RCC is now Israel God's people and no one else, especially the natural branches that they tried to exterminate under the Roman Empire and the Vatican.

The RCC can't allow Israel to be God's people, when that's what they claim exclusive right over.

So soon, they will agree to the genocide of Israel. Maybe it will be public knowledge, maybe not.

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The Question for today is,

The 5th trumpet shows the beast that kills the 2 witnesses coming out of the abyss,

How did the beast get into the abyss, and where is it shown?

abcdef · Dec 13, 2017

The 6th trumpet. 9/11/01

The 6th trumpet is the last thing that happens before Jesus comes for the kingdom at the 7th trumpet.

The 6th trumpet signals for the events to start taking place.

The events surround Jerusalem. The army that crosses the Euphrates is coming from the east, headed for Jerusalem.

The army is numbered. The number is probably symbolic, or at least it was thought to be, years ago.

But now we have the real possibility, that there could be an army assembled that was actually close to that number.

An army assembled that would include Iran, Iraq, Syria, Russia, etc, the list goes on and on. I believe that the number is all those who are actively waging war or supporting the war against Jerusalem and Israel.

Estimated in that way, the number of Israel's enemies would reach that number easily.

This tells us how Jerusalem and Israel will be overcome soon. By the huge number of enemies. So many, that Israel will probably run out of ammo, or be totally destroyed by not being able to kill them all. Just not enough fire power. Israel will be fighting Iran Iraq, Syria, Gaza, Egypt, etc. Right now, there is estimated to be 100,000 missiles aimed at Israel from Syria alone. I could go on, but the point is made.

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So how did these guys get mixed up with Rome and Israel?

Well, the 5th trumpet has Satan/Rome/beastie coming out of the abyss, but where has that nasty beast been?

He hasn't been very active, active, but limited, almost like he was on a chain or something. Rome was here, but couldn't destroy Israel until they were restored, power "unscattered," to Jerusalem. Then the dragon iron beast, who's spirit is to kill Israel and stop the gospel of salvation, will act to destroy them.

But the beast iron dragon is not the same when he returns from the abyss, like he was before he was thrown into the abyss. Before the beast was the mighty Roman Empire, now he's just a shadow of his former self, just an "image" of his former self.

So how can he destroy Israel now, now that the power of the holy people has been unscattered?

He will lie to the kings of the east. Rev 16:13-14.

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Like the 5th trumpet, the descriptions of the men are about their spirits. They have no love (which is hate), for Israel and the gospel. Their spirits are like Cain, who killed righteous Able, murderers of God's children.

Rev 9:17, The horses are a sign of war and a formitable enemy.

The horses are similar to the scorpions of the 5th trumpet, they both have heads and tails. And the riders would appear to be part of the horses, that is the horse and rider act as one entity.

The similarity of the symbolism would be found in this verse Isaiah 9:15, "The ancient and honorable, he is the head; and the prophet that teacheth lies, he is the tail."

So like the scorpions of the 5th Trp., both show an honorable front while teaching the doctrine of death.

The 5th trp shows the Roman Vatican becoming a nation again, Caesar worship/RCC, the 6th trp shows Islam.

The scorpion men of the 5th trp have no direction, they blow with the wind, but the men of the 6th trp have direction, they are heading for Jerusalem.

The idea is that Israel is restored to Jerusalem between the 5th and 6th trumpet.

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V 17, The breast plates are over the heart, where the gospel sword is supposed to strike for conversion. The plates are even more impenetrable than the iron (iron-Rome) of those in the 5th trp. The gospel sword will have a had time piercing through.

V 18, The mouth- lies, fire - judgement (in this case, against Israel), smoke -hiding the gospel light (OT included), brimstone - the teachings of Satan himself, Israel is not God's people and Jesus is not the Messiah/Son of God.

V 19, Compare this to Isa:9:15.

V 20-21, Israel does not recognize Jesus as the Messiah/Son of God, at the time that the 6th trp is blown. Because if they did they would repent of the deeds mentioned here.

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For Brother Locutus,

Is this 70 ad?

What would seem to qualify the 6th trp as future to 70ad?

The 200,000,000 man army.

The army that conquers Jerusalem is from the kings of the east and is not Roman.

This trumpet follows the Roman coming out from the abyss. Rome does not have the power (army/empire), and must deceive the kings of the east to attack Jerusalem.

abcdef · Dec 15, 2017

The 7th trumpet (trp), Rev 11:15.

V 15 This shows Jesus coming for the kingdom at the 2nd resurrection for salvation.

Parallel passages would be Daniel 2 where the stone strikes, and the fire from heaven/resurrection of Rev 20. (Also the 7th vial/bowl Rev 16.)

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In Dan. 2, the stone striking is not the beginning of the kingdom, that happened just after the iron started, the kingdom caused the statue to divide at the legs etc..

The stone striking is Jesus coming for the finished/completed kingdom, that started on Pentecost.

See how the statue is ground down to the chaff and wheat (implied). Individual souls.

Then the judgement. This would be the last judgment, seen in Rev 20. Just before death is destroyed and the new earth appears.

The parallel comes in that the stone "fills the earth", when it fills the earth, it would mean that there is no "old earth" left.

And just to say, this cannot be the dest of 70 ad, because it will not fit the timeline of the iron in the statue. That is, if it were the 70 ad dest, it would be before the legs split, it would be placed just after the iron started.

And the stone is not the kingdom, the kingdom starts just after the iron starts. The stone is symbolic of Jesus, yes, but there is more to the stone than just that.

Ask yourself this question, "How can a stone, be cut from a mountain, and destroy the statue/planet?" This is not only showing Jesus coming for the kingdom, but the end of this world/planet also, followed by the last judgment and eternity.

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V 18, "wrath is come", second death wrath.

"Time of the dead"....... "that they should be judged", this shows a resurrection and a judgement. (last judgment Rev 20)

"Give reward", "destroy".....A time of reward, destruction, and wrath.

V 19, Temple opened and the "ark of his testament" was seen.

The ark of his testament is Jesus.

Who sees Jesus? Just John at this writing? Every one in heaven? people on planet earth?

The passage shows Jesus coming for the kingdom, so, we might assume that the souls of the kingdom see into the heart of God, His face.

Understand, that Jesus is on the throne, He entered into the heart of God, the innermost part of God, the real heavenly Holiest of all, with His own blood for our sins,

So when it says that the ark is seen, it has a substantial meaning.

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So leaving out the 2 wt's, and going from the 6th, right to the 7th trp, we see that the LAST event to take place before the last trp, is an army of substance headed for Jerusalem.

But why would the 7th trp blow, after an army from across the Euphrates marches to Jerusalem? (Because Israel is no more. That is why this planet ends.)

People! Wake Up! Look at the Middle East! This is happening now!

Let me ask you some questions,

If you didn't take any prophecy in to account, and you just looked at the situation in the Middle East,

Wouldn't you say that Iran, is eventually going to stand in Jerusalem? Months or some years from now?

Wouldn't you agree, that Israel and Jerusalem, are surrounded right now? By Syria, Russia, and others?

Wouldn't you understand that the battle for Jerusalem, has already started, and is being fought everyday?

Look, these things are not happening by chance, they are prophecies coming true.

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I'm sorry that the truth is bitter, but I can't be sorry about Jesus coming for us and eternity is beginning.

If you could just see Him, just for a moment, you would never be the same again.

You would understand why this planet must fly away, why this heaven and universe must fly away, from His face.

Our rewards are in the souls that we bring with us, in the hearts of the ones where we planted the gospel, watered the gospel.

The time to bear fruit is ending, the time that the gospel is preached on this planet is running out.

When Jerusalem falls this time, 3 1/2 days later, it's over.

Bladerunner · Dec 15, 2017

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Rev chs. 4-11, the story of the "little scroll/book", Rev 10:8.

The scroll/book is first seen in Dan 12:4-9, 4 & 9.

It is sealed until the time of the end v 9.

"How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?" v 6,

V 7, 3 1/2 times, until the power of the holy people is scattered 70 ad.

So from the angel in Babylon in Dan 12:7, until 70 ad was the first 3 1/2 times.

So the little scroll, was sealed until after Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 ad.

Once Jerusalem had fallen in 70 ad, and Israel was scattered, then the sealed scroll/book can be opened.

This is the scroll that Jesus opens, the one that was sealed until after the dest of Jeru in 70 ad.

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It has 7 seals, that must be broken in order to read the scroll.

The seals are spiritual events that are shown in heaven to John in 96 ad. (John is in the spirit, through the door).

They are 7 things that must happen before the scroll can be read.

The events are showing the consequences of the rejection of the gospel kingdom by the natural branches and are leading up to the dest of Jerusalem in 70 ad, which is shown in the 6/7th seals.

The holy people must be scattered, and the 3 1/2 times must pass, Dan.12:7, then the book can be opened.

Jesus opens the book only after Jerusalem falls.

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The 7 trumpets follow the seals and are the time of the natural branches after the fall of Jeru. in 70 ad.

The 1/2 hour of silence in heaven, is the time between the fall of Jeru and the next words from heaven, say 96 ad.

So 70 ad, until the giving of the Rev in 96 ad was the silence.

You see, the apostles had been told by Jesus that there would be a "times of the gentiles" Lk21:20-24, but nobody knew how long that would last.

They thought that the fall of Jeru., would be followed very soon by the resurrection, but it was not to be, (1900 yrs).

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The seven trumpets tell about the withdrawing of blessings on the natural branches for rejecting the gospel kingdom.

The 7th trumpet is the rapt/resur, last trumpet, second resurrection, Jesus coming to take possession of the kingdom.

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Then the story ends.

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37 ad, 1-4 Seals, The 4 spirits of the earth turn against Israel for rejecting the gospel kingdom. The gentiles enter.

5th Seal, The martyrs from the Roman beast invasion in 67 bc, until the 1st resurrection (Jesus) are shown.

6th Seal, The dest of Jeru 70 ad.

7th Seal, shows that everything has been completed, the 3 1/2 times, and the scattering has happened.
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70 ad - 96 ad, 1/2 hour
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96 ad 1-4 trumpets, The blessings and protections of God are withdrawn on the natural branches, where ever they are in God's creations, earth, sea, heaven, and fountains. Rev 14:7.

5th trumpet sounds, 1929, Rome, the dragon iron beast nation, comes out of the abyss, back to the living among the nations. The Vatican becomes a nation again, the Roman Empire is reborn. The natural branches are driven back to Israel to restore Jerusalem. The descriptions are the spiritual attributes of the men.

1967, Israel is restored to military control of Jerusalem and the times of the gentiles end, and the second 3 1/2 times end, when Jerusalem is restored. (This also ends the time shown by the statue in Dan 2, the toes/horns end, when Jerusalem is restored.)

6th Trumpet, 9/11/01. This causes the people of the Euphrates River region (Saddam) to lose power (Bush). The loss allows the kings of the east (Iran) to attack Jerusalem restored to Israel.

7th Trumpet, This is the rapt resur, Jesus coming to take possession of the kingdom.

After this the story of the scroll ends, because there will be no more planet except fire.

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Why do you just keep trolling with the same questions that have already been answered 1000 times. It almost like you want to start a new argument just to keep one going.

abcdef · Dec 15, 2017

Bladerunner said:

I could argue, but I would rather talk and discuss.

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If I was trolling, I would probably say something like,

Pre trib is helping the Roman beast Antichrist by helping to hide him, saying that he has not been revealed yet.

Pre-trib is in complete denial that Rome has been the beast for 2000 yrs.

And the mark of the beast, is the mark of the 4th beast, Rome and Caesar/BoR.

I would also say that it appears that pre-trib was started by the RCC to hide that fact that the BoR is the Antichrist of this 10 toed age.

But then......I'm not trolling.

abcdef · Dec 17, 2017

Bladerunner said:

Brother BR,

I apologize for being persistent, but we may be on the edge of eternity.

Listen, don't you know, that I think it is unbelievable, it can't be happening, but as far as I can tell, it is.

Like the people who stood in front of the mountain, heard the voice, etc, but still would not have faith?

Like the people who saw the miracles of Jesus, and still denied Him?

And now, I see the prophecies coming true, true according to a time line that was not understood before this.

Shall I deny what is before my eyes, the prophecies according to scripture coming true?

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You have read my posts. I am not unreasonable.

I've always explained the viewpoint, with scripture.

And if I have offended anyone, it is not my intent that the truth should hurt anyone, but Jesus is the truth, and the gospel is truth, and the Holy Spirit is truth, and God's prophecies are truth, and the truth is promised to be revealed, if the gospel sword pierces the heart, let it be so, that is life everlasting.

Every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess.

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When I first came here, I told people to prove me wrong, or it is the end of Israel, Jerusalem, and this planet.

I have learned a lot, a lot lot.

But I still have come to the same conclusion,

The beast is Rome, Israel is restored, Jerusalem will fall to the kings of the east Iran, then the rapt/resur will happen and this planet will end in fire.

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I can show in scripture how it happens, but it's not "mainstream".

But I will say that when Iran moves on Jerusalem, soon, Israel will lose, and Jerusalem will fall,

Then all the pre-trib teaching will be proven absolutely false, because there will be no fleeing this time.

And they won't fall by the sword, because they use guns, bombs, and missiles now.

When the 2 witnesses are killed, Jesus is coming for the kingdom/resurrection 3 1/2 days later.

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But maybe that is the problem, people would rather have their ears tickled than face the truth.

This truth is terrible, and I sympathize with them, but at the same time, Jesus is coming for us.

It is the sweet, bitter/poison, scroll.

Jesus is coming for the kingdom, but restored to Israel Jerusalem will fall first.

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