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Ok I'm gonna try this another way.
I've said before that Jesus is not God, now
I'm not sure if my grasp on the trinity is wrong but instead
Of explaining why I think I'm right I'm just gonna ask some questions. If u feel irritated by my questions then u don't have to engage in this thread just keep on trucking.

1- why does God say he is the same today and tomorrow and that he never changes if he new he would be taking on a new name and form?

2-why would God make such a point to make it so clear that he is the only God if the trinity says 3 are God (Father, Son and Holy Spirit)?

3-if Jesus is God in the human form who was "in charge"
When he was an infant.

Let's start there. Anyone who participates much gratitude is given.

Best Regard
Christina
 
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Well, there are examples of what appears to be God talking to someone else, in the IT. This is reasonably expected to be Jesus. So this would suggest Jesus existed before he was born physically.
Also consider God lives outside of time. Time is a concept created by God. So everything about God has always existed, from a temporal sense, but spiritually speaking it is without tome.

I once heard the Trinity explained as a cherry pie. You cut three slices, and on the outside it appears as three individual pieces. But inside it is one mass. Cutting apart the three outer layers did not separate the inside.

Will of God is omnipotent and powerless who says God, in Father form, left heaven?
 

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We have to Remember:

GOD is a Spirit...

and

John 3


31He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all. 32And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony. 33He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true. 34For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him. 35The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand. 36He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.




Father and Son are One..


John 20


17Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. 18Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and that he had spoken these things unto her.
 

loveme1

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Our Trinity is Father, Son and Holy Spirit..

Our body vessels flesh and blood host our Spirit.. all things came to pass from the fall to the coming of the Lord.. a body was prepared so that He could come and Be Victorious and Save us.. so that we can receive the Holy Spirit in our flesh and blood vessel.. as a seal of Ownership until we receive our celestial body.. which is immortal oppose to what we abide in now...

Go back to the garden of Eden incident..

We know good and evil.. we choose good(Through Faith in the Lord) and are given the right to the Tree of life..... oppose to preferring the darkness and dying in our sin..


This realm is where we are kept.. GOD does not need more disobedient immortals.. Regeneration...
 
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Ok I'm gonna try this another way.
I've said before that Jesus is not God,
now
I'm not sure if my grasp on the trinity is wrong but instead
Of explaining why I think I'm right
I'm just gonna ask some questions. If u feel irritated by my questions then u don't have to engage in this thread just keep on trucking.

1- why does God say he is the same today and tomorrow and that he never changes if he new he would be taking on a new name and form?

2-why would God make such a point to make it so clear that he is the only God if the trinity says 3 are God (Father, Son and Holy Spirit)?

3-if Jesus is God in the human form who was "in charge"
When he was an infant.

Let's start there. Anyone who participates much gratitude is given.

Best Regard
Christina

The Opening Post:

1. You say clearly you've had this same conversation here before.

2. If you had this same conversation here before, you were surely told about the trinity, and the deity of Christ, and surely someone gave you some scripture. Right?

3. So now you've thought of a new way of "explaining why I'm right"... to put it in your own words. And you're going to "explain why you're right" by now leading us through some questions, right?



Some issues:

A. This is a critical doctrine, and a foundational doctrine to Christianity; it goes way beyond the gravity of most other doctrines.

B. This doctrine about Christ being God, this is a CRITICAL doctrine in Christianity. This is called the doctrine of the "deity of Christ", and there ARE NO ORTHODOX DENOMINATIONS which hold your view that Christ is not God.

C. The "deity of Christ" is a critical doctrine in Christianity, and Christians around the world, in all different denominations believe this.

D. All around the world, by all orthodox denominations, and all orthodox Christians, your view that Christ is not God... this is considered an actual, and very grave, heresy.

I'm not saying this to insult you; I'm only saying this to emphasize the gravity of this issue.


Before you continue in this thread, I'm going to suggest you consider the gravity of this doctrine, and that you also consider, based on sheer numbers alone, that the orthodox view may have some merit which you should carefully rethink.





 
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Well, there are examples of what appears to be God talking to someone else, in the IT. This is reasonably expected to be Jesus. So this would suggest Jesus existed before he was born physically.
Also consider God lives outside of time. Time is a concept created by God. So everything about God has always existed, from a temporal sense, but spiritually speaking it is without tome.

I once heard the Trinity explained as a cherry pie. You cut three slices, and on the outside it appears as three individual pieces. But inside it is one mass. Cutting apart the three outer layers did not separate the inside.

Will of God is omnipotent and powerless who says God, in Father form, left heaven?
In regards to God talking to someone else, I don't doubt or question if Jesus existed before he was physically born, i believe that as well, in fact that's one of the reason it's hard for me to see them (God & Jesus) as one when I picture "them" together.

You said: Will of God is omnipotent and powerless who says God, in Father form, left heaven?

I'm not sure what u mean can u explain what ur saying please
 
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We have to Remember:

GOD is a Spirit...

and

John 3


31He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all. 32And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony. 33He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true. 34For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him. 35The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand. 36He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.




Father and Son are One..


John 20


17Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. 18Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and that he had spoken these things unto her.
I never understood why she could not touch him yet
 
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Our body vessels flesh and blood host our Spirit.. all things came to pass from the fall to the coming of the Lord.. a body was prepared so that He could come and Be Victorious and Save us.. so that we can receive the Holy Spirit in our flesh and blood vessel.. as a seal of Ownership until we receive our celestial body.. which is immortal oppose to what we abide in now..
Interesting I've never heard it put like that before, let me think about this
 
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The Opening Post:

1. You say clearly you've had this same conversation here before.

2. If you had this same conversation here before, you were surely told about the trinity, and the deity of Christ, and surely someone gave you some scripture. Right?

3. So now you've thought of a new way of "explaining why I'm right"... to put it in your own words. And you're going to "explain why you're right" by now leading us through some questions, right?



Some issues:

A. This is a critical doctrine, and a foundational doctrine to Christianity; it goes way beyond the gravity of most other doctrines.

B. This doctrine about Christ being God, this is a CRITICAL doctrine in Christianity. This is called the doctrine of the "deity of Christ", and there ARE NO ORTHODOX DENOMINATIONS which hold your view that Christ is not God.

C. The "deity of Christ" is a critical doctrine in Christianity, and Christians around the world, in all different denominations believe this.

D. All around the world, by all orthodox denominations, and all orthodox Christians, your view that Christ is not God... this is considered an actual, and very grave, heresy.

I'm not saying this to insult you; I'm only saying this to emphasize the gravity of this issue.


Before you continue in this thread, I'm going to suggest you consider the gravity of this doctrine, and that you also consider, based on sheer numbers alone, that the orthodox view may have some merit which you should carefully rethink.





Well obviously what u said in bold is being done that's why I'm asking and your list of 1-3 is usually the response that shows me your not one I can learn from so if u truly are preaching Gods word maybe u should take a different approach cause I think when it comes to Gods word you should be learning or teaching I'm trying to learn here what are u doing?
 

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When Jesus said I AM, it is the same I AM that spoke to Moses.
 
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In regards to God talking to someone else, I don't doubt or question if Jesus existed before he was physically born, i believe that as well, in fact that's one of the reason it's hard for me to see them (God & Jesus) as one when I picture "them" together.

You said: Will of God is omnipotent and powerless who says God, in Father form, left heaven?

I'm not sure what u mean can u explain what ur saying please
Hmm. Though The words "Will of God" are there I never wrote them. Probably my phone auto"correcting" me.
It should have said "Well if" not will of. Thanks autocorrect.
 

trofimus

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1- why does God say he is the same today and tomorrow and that he never changes if he new he would be taking on a new name and form?
God does not change in his essence, being, nature.
From a human point of view, He can take many forms or names. Its a change from our perspective, only.


2-why would God make such a point to make it so clear that he is the only God if the trinity says 3 are God (Father, Son and Holy Spirit)?
God is still one, persons in Him are three.

3-if Jesus is God in the human form who was "in charge"
When he was an infant.
Father.
 

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Hello Christina,

3-if Jesus is God in the human form who was "in charge" When he was an infant.
That would be God the Father.

God's existence, His being, is definitely a difficult concept. Yet scripture demonstrates that God is made up of more than one person. Regarding this, please consider the following scriptures:


"Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness"

"The Lord said, “If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.”

The "us" and "our" in the scriptures are in the plural "our likeness, our image."

John 1:1 tells us that "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God."

After Jesus resurrected, we have Him appearing to the disciples with the exception of Thomas, who was not there when the Lord appeared to them. The disciples told Thomas that he had appeared to them and his response was:

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"Unless I see in His hands the mark of the nails, and put my finger into the mark of the nails, and put my hands into His side, I will never believe.”

And after eight days His disciples were again inside, and Thomas with them, the doors having been shut. Jesus comes, and He stood in the midst and said, “Peace to you.”

Then He says to Thomas, “Bring your finger here, and see My hands; and bring your hand, and put it into My side; and be not unbelieving, but believing.”

Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”

Jesus says to him, “Because you have seen Me, you have believed; blessed are those not having seen, yet having believed.”

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Notice that after Jesus shows Thomas his hands, feet and side Thomas confesses Him saying "my Lord and my God." A key factor here is that, Jesus did not rebuke Thomas when he called him Lord and God, but the Lord said to Thomas, "you believe because you have seen."

though we can't understand the make of God's being, we can agree with the scriptures that identify him as being God. Another example would be when the following took place between Jesus and the Jewish leaders:

"I and the Father are one.”

Therefore the Jews took up stones again, that they might stone Him. Jesus answered them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father; because of which work of these do you stone Me?”

The Jews answered Him, “We do not stone You for a good work, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a man, make yourself God.”

So we can see that by Jesus saying "I and the Father are one" that the Jewish leaders understood that he was proclaiming himself to be God. Even God the Father calls the Son God, as can be seen from the following:

"But about the Son he (the Father) says,

Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever; a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions by anointing you with the oil of joy.”

"He (the Father) also says (regarding the Son),

“In the beginning, Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands. They will perish, but you remain; they will all wear out like a garment. You will roll them up like a robe; like a garment they will be changed. but you remain the same, and your years will never end.”

So we can conclude from above that that the Father himself calls the Son God and reveals him as the One who laid the foundations of the earth. Who can create but God? Blow is a list from a document of most of the scriptures that refer to Jesus as being God. I hope that this sheds some more light on the this subject:

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Isaiah 7:14 - Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel. (Immanuel means “God with us.”)

Isaiah.9:6 - For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Matthew 1:21-23 - She will give birth to a Son and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins. All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet: “The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel” -- Which means, “God with us.” (Isaiah 7:14)

John 1:1-2 - In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning.


John 1:18 – No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father’s side, has made him known.

John 5:17-18 - Jesus said to them “My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I, too, am working.” For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

John 8:56-59 – “Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad.” “You are not yet fifty years old, “the Jews said to him, “and you have seen Abraham!” “I tell you the truth,” Jesus answered, “Before Abraham was born, I am!” At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.

Note: The reason that the Jews picked up stones to stone Jesus was because he used the name that God have given Moses by which God was to be remembered throughout all generations, "I am." See the following Scripture:

Exodus 3:13-14 - Moses said to God, “Suppose I go to the Israelites and say to them, “The God of your fathers has sent me to you,” and they ask me, “What is his name?” Then what shall I tell them?” God said to Moses, “I am who I am. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: “I am has sent me to you.”

John 10:29-33 - My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. I and the Father are one. Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?” “We are not stoning you for any of these,” replied the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”

John 14:6- Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.” Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.” Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father.”

John 20:27-29 – Then he said to Thomas “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.” Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!” Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

Acts 20:28 - Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds ofthe church of God, which he bought with his own blood.

Rom.9:5 - Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen.

Philippians 2:5-7 - Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus: Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness.

Col.1:13-18 - He (Jesus) is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn (preeminent) over all creation. For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy.

Titus 2:13 - While we wait for the blessed hope -- the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, who gave himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for himself a people that are his very own, eager to do what is good.

Heb.1:3 - The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word.

Note: The verse below is as spoken by the Father regarding His Son, Jesus Christ:

Heb.1:8-11 - But about the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions by anointing you with the oil of joy. He also says, “In the beginning, O Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands.

2 Peter.1:1 - Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ havereceived a faith as precious as ours.

I John 5:20 - We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true-- even in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the [true God] and eternal life.
 
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Ok I'm gonna try this another way.
I've said before that Jesus is not God, now
So what does the 'now' signify? So you one of those eternalites?

However, there is only one eternal God, once a person comes to that understanding then that glory goes to the LORD who is the only begotten of the eternal God. Yet, they are two different physical entities. The LORD our God is matter without mass while eternal God is matterless that no mass can not approach unto.

While it is written in Matthew 7:21 of Jesus, "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven." Then in Matthew 7:22, it is written, "Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?" Since this obviously couldn't be referring unto either the trinitrians or the devils, so it must be referring unto them that believe in one God in verse 23 wherein it is written, "And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."



I'm not sure if my grasp on the trinity is wrong but instead
Of explaining why I think I'm right I'm just gonna ask some questions. If u feel irritated by my questions then u don't have to engage in this thread just keep on trucking.
So I take you believe in one God?

1- why does God say he is the same today and tomorrow and that he never changes if he new he would be taking on a new name and form?

If your God was eternal then wouldn't that have to be true since the eternal always was, is and will always be, neither does it have any variableness nor shades of turning, since it does not change in nature or in form. Yet if eternal then it could neither create anything which was eternal since anything which has a beginning of existence by its own definition isn't eternal.

2-why would God make such a point to make it so clear that he is the only God if the trinity says 3 are God (Father, Son and Holy Spirit)?
Because that way it makes them that believe even that much more blessed since "The Trinity is a mystery of faith in the strict sense, one of the "mysteries that are hidden in God, which can never be known unless they are revealed by God"

3-if Jesus is God in the human form who was "in charge" When he was an infant.

Let's start there. Anyone who participates much gratitude is given.

Best Regard
Christina
This must be a trick question because the eternal is ageless seeing it has a timeless nature.
 

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Ok I'm gonna try this another way.
I've said before that Jesus is not God, now
I'm not sure if my grasp on the trinity is wrong but instead
Of explaining why I think I'm right I'm just gonna ask some questions. If u feel irritated by my questions then u don't have to engage in this thread just keep on trucking.

1- why does God say he is the same today and tomorrow and that he never changes if he new he would be taking on a new name and form?
Jesus name was Immanuel which means "" God with Us ""

Matthew 1: KJV
22 "Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, {23} Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. {24} Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: {25} And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS."

So in the very name of the LORD we see that it means God With Us... Jesus literally was God with us in the flesh..


2-why would God make such a point to make it so clear that he is the only God if the trinity says 3 are God (Father, Son and Holy Spirit)?
It is not that there are 3 Gods.. There are three that are One God..

Jesus is God
The Father is God
The Holy Spirit is God

1 John 5: KJV

6 "This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth. {7} For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

Of course Jesus is the Word who takes away the sins of the world..

John 1: KJV
1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."



3-if Jesus is God in the human form who was "in charge" When he was an infant.
Why can't God exist in three forms at the same time? Don't you know God is omnipresent.. God is in charge all the time

Isaiah 9: KJV
{6} For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."

The Child that was born for us was the Son who is Jesus. He is the Mighty God.. He is the everlasting Father.. That's why Jesus and the Father are One..

A question to you Christina..

Who raised Jesus from the Dead ?
 
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1- why does God say he is the same today and tomorrow and that he never changes if he new he would be taking on a new name and form?
1- God is the same today and tomorrow. The same is applied to Jesus:

Hebrews 13:8

There was no change in the nature of God when Jesus came in human flesh, the Word (God) became flesh and dwelt among us.

2-why would God make such a point to make it so clear that he is the only God if the trinity says 3 are God (Father, Son and Holy Spirit)?
2- The triune God is the only true God. There is one God not three gods. One God, in three persons.
Genesis 1:26 says let US make yet it is the singular deity creating. The trinity was revealed in the incarnation of the Son and the outpouring of the Holy Spirit.
For scripture refererences check out: Isaiah 6:8, 48:16, 61:1; Matthew 3:16-17, 28:19; 2 Corinthians 13:14.


3-if Jesus is God in the human form who was "in charge"
When he was an infant.
3- The triune God was in charge. Jesus never ceased to be God.


For a great explanation with multiple Bible verses check out this article: https://www.gotquestions.org/Trinity-Bible.html

PS: I forbid you from being a unitarian.
 
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John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.


John 1:14 - And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.



John 10:30
30 I and my Father are one.



John 8:58

“Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.”
 
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Ok I'm gonna try this another way.
I've said before that Jesus is not God, now
I'm not sure if my grasp on the trinity is wrong but instead
Of explaining why I think I'm right I'm just gonna ask some questions. If u feel irritated by my questions then u don't have to engage in this thread just keep on trucking.

1- why does God say he is the same today and tomorrow and that he never changes if he new he would be taking on a new name and form?

2-why would God make such a point to make it so clear that he is the only God if the trinity says 3 are God (Father, Son and Holy Spirit)?

3-if Jesus is God in the human form who was "in charge"
When he was an infant.

Let's start there. Anyone who participates much gratitude is given.

Best Regard
Christina
For lack of knowledge.

To answer somewhat. Your number 1 premise and statement is far from understanding.

Where ever did you hear that the Lord would be,"taking on a new name"?

Let's address your number 1. First and continue from there.
 
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Ok I'm gonna try this another way.
I've said before that Jesus is not God, now
I'm not sure if my grasp on the trinity is wrong but instead
Of explaining why I think I'm right I'm just gonna ask some questions. If u feel irritated by my questions then u don't have to engage in this thread just keep on trucking.

1- why does God say he is the same today and tomorrow and that he never changes if he new he would be taking on a new name and form?
God never changed, He was still God. One of his persons changed form, He had to. To prove to the universe he is the god he claims to be. The god of love

2-why would God make such a point to make it so clear that he is the only God if the trinity says 3 are God (Father, Son and Holy Spirit)?
God is a unified entity, in the Hebrew, there is actually a plural form of the word translated God (Elohim - Let Us make man in our image) there also is a singular form (yhwh) The problem may be the English language. Not the words themselves.
3-if Jesus is God in the human form who was "in charge"
When he was an infant.
Jesus told us, The father. He is the son, And the father would send the Holy Spirit after the son left.

Let's start there. Anyone who participates much gratitude is given.

Best Regard
Christina
 

trofimus

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Where ever did you hear that the Lord would be,"taking on a new name"?
Because God is only one, there is actually no need for a name. Because of pharaoh, who would ask "which god" (pharaoh being polyteist), God identified himself like "I am the one who (truly) is", i.e. "real God".

It later got into Hebrew writings and thinking that its His name also technically, not just for polytheists. If you believe in one God, you actually need no name for Him.

In the New Testament there is no such name, only titles for Father, Son and the Holy Spirit.