Has all already been fulfilled by Messiah?

Hizikyah · Dec 8, 2017

I am not going anywhere with it other than what Scripture says, it is a very simple uestion either all is already fulfilled or all is not yet fulfilled. Also aside from that, I think people have a misunderstanding of what "under Law means" as Paul says followers should follow the Law but we are not uinder it's curse:

Paul says to follow the Law:

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Acts 24:14, "But I confess this to you, that after the way which they call heresy, so I (Paul) worship the Father of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the Law and in the Prophets."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 7:25, "Thanks be to YHWH, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of YHWH, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Acts 21:24, "Take them, and be purified with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads. Then everyone will know that those things they were informed about you (forsaking the Law), were lies, and that you (Paul), yourself, walk orderly, and keep the Law."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Corinthians 7:19, "For neither circumcision counts for anything nor uncircumcision, but keeping the commandments of Yah?"[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 6:1-2, "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?"[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 7:7, Shall we therefore say that the Law is sin? No! By no means! But to the contrary, I did not know sin; transgression of the Law, except through the Law, for I did not know lust, unless the Law had said: Do not covet."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 7:12, "Therefore the Law is holy, and the commandments are holy, and just, and righteous."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Ephesians 6:2-3, "Honor your father and mother; which is the first commandment with a promise: That it may be well with you, and you may live long on the earth."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"

Also that Messiah freed us from the cures of the Law, eath, not He freed us from do not steal:

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Deuteronomy 21:22-23, “And when a man has committed a sin worthy of death, then he shall be put to death and you shall hang him on a tree. Let his body not remain overnight on the tree, for you shall certainly bury him the same day – for he who is hanged is accursed of Yah – so that you do not defile the land which [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]your Strength is giving you as an inheritance.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Galatians 3:10-14, “10, "For as many as are of works of Torah are under the curse, for it has been written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all that has been written in the Book of the Torah, to do them.” (Deut 27:26) 11, "And that no one is declared right by Torah before YHWH is clear, for “The righteous shall live by belief. (Hab 2:4)” 12, "And the Torah is not of belief, but “The man who does them shall live by them, (Leviticus 18:5)” 13, "Messiah redeemed us from the curse of the Torah, having become a curse for us – for it has been written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs upon a tree.” – (Deut 21:23) 14, "in order that the blessing of Aḇraham might come upon the nations in Messiah [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], to receive the promise of the Spirit through belief."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Galatians 3:13,(KJV) "Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the Law (death), being made a curse for us, for it is written, Cursed is everyone who hangeth on a tree."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Peter 2:24, "who Himself bore our sins in His body on the timber, so that we, having died to sins, might live unto righteousness, by whose stripes you were healed.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Isaiah 53:4-5, “Truly, He has borne our sicknesses and carried our pains. Yet we reckoned Him smitten·, stricken by YHWH, and afflicted. But He was pierced for our transgressions, He was crushed for our crookedness. The chastisement for our peace was upon Him, and by His stripes we are healed.”

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]I think it is a misunderstanding of Paul's writings that cause there od doctrines to begin with:

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]2 Peter/Kepha 3:15-17, "and reckon the patience of our Master as deliverance, as also our beloved brother Paul/Sha’ul wrote to you, according to the wisdom given to him, as also in all his letters, speaking in them concerning these matters, in which some are hard to understand, which those who are untaught and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do also the other Scriptures. You, then, beloved ones, being forewarned, watch, lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the delusion of the lawless, but grow in the favor and knowledge of our Master and Savior [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Messiah. To Him be the esteem both now and to a day that abides. Amĕn.”[/FONT]

Finally this is about is all fulfilled, as many say yes but the Scriptures seem to show there is more yet to be fulfilled by Messiah, it is others who brought Law into it, if I wanted a thread about if we should or should not keep Sabbath I would make one, I am in no way affraid of Scriptual doctrine on any subject, I think if you look at my posts you will see that. In amy case, may Yah guide us to truth and watch over us.

Hizikyah · Dec 8, 2017

MarcR said:

But that is to ignore what is actually written and use a personal interpretation because it says in the Word:

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Luke 24:44-46, “And He said to them, “These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all have to be fulfilled that were written in the Law, the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me. Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, and said to them, “Thus it has been written, and so it was necessary for the Messiah to suffer and to rise again from the dead the third day.”[/FONT]

“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]all have to be fulfilled that were written in the Law, the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]He said in the “the Law, the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me” not just in the Law, also the Torah/Law means the first 5 books, as there are prophecies about Him in the first 5 books.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Luke 16:16-17, “The Law and the Prophets were until John, since that time the Kingdom of YHWH is preached, and every man is pressed to enter it. But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Here we have “it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Self explanatory.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Matthew 5:17-19, “Do not think that I came to destroy the Torah or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For truly, I say to you, till the heaven and the earth pass away, one yod or one tittle shall by no means pass from the Torah till all be done. Whoever, then, breaks one of the least of these commands, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the reign of the heavens; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the reign of the heavens.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]And finally:[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]By His words not mine, heaven and earth would have to pass.[/FONT]

Marcelo · Dec 8, 2017

Ok, I presume your answer to the question "Has all already been fulfilled by Messiah?" is NO. Consequently, in your view the Law is still in force. So, how come Christian law-keepers don't go through circumcision?

Hizikyah · Dec 8, 2017

Marcelo said:

I wouls ask if you beleve all is fulfilled or if there is still that to be fulfilled. But I believe there is still yet to be fulfilled, the first thing that comes to my mind is what, many things bnut the most prominent top me is His return, but I will answer your question, I do have to log off soon btw. As to circumcision, that has been a debate since ancient times, also back then circumcision meant a bit more than simply a physical act, but I dont have time to get into that right this minute.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Acts 16:1-3, “1 Paul came also to Derbe and to Lystra. And a disciple was there, named Timothy, the son of a Jewish woman who was a believer, but his father was a Greek, 2 and he was well spoken of by the brethren who were in Lystra and Iconium. 3 Paul wanted this man to go with him; and he took him and circumcised him because of the Jews who were in those parts, for they all knew that his father was a Greek.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]The answer to why would he have Timothy circumcised could be; “because of the Jews who were in the those parts,” however, it seems hypocritical especially given other texts like Galatians 5, where he is harshly admonishing the Galatians who were even thinking about getting circumcised;[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Galatians 5:2, Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all.”

I dont think Paul's don't be circumcised then circumcising Timopthy is in either case solid ground to stand on, but as to why not all get circumnciseed, I don't klnow other peoples minds, why don't all walk perfectly as Yahshua'Jesus did? Kind of an unanswerable question as to why others do or dont do something. This notions that somehow if one is circumcised they are then required to keep the law and if they are not they are free to steal an lie and it';s not sin is comically false.

The judge is fair:

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 2:12, “For as many as have sinned without the Law, will also perish without the Law, and as many as have sinned in the Law, will be judged by the Law.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]2 Corinthians 5:10, “For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Messiah, that each one may receive his reward according to what he has done in the body, whether righteous or evil.”[/FONT]

“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]judgment seat” is word #G968 - béma: a step, raised place, by impl. A tribunal, Original Word: βῆμα, ατος, τό, Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter, Transliteration: béma, Phonetic Spelling: (bay'-ma), Short Definition: the space covered by a step of the foot, a tribunal, Definition: an elevated place ascended by steps, a throne, tribunal.

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 5:28-30, “Do not be astonished at this-for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice, and will come forth. Those who have practiced righteousness will be resurrected in order to live; and those who have practiced wickedness will be resurrected in order to be damned."

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Acts 5:29, “And Kepha and the other emissaries answering, said, “We have to obey Yah rather than men.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 9:7-8, “But [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]abides forever, He is preparing His throne for judgment. And He judges the world in righteousness, He judges the peoples in straightness.”[/FONT]

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Marcelo · Dec 8, 2017

Hizikyah said:

So, all is not yet fulfilled, and I see many Christian law keepers removing jots, tittles, words, phrases and whole sentences from the Law. The New Testament says it's either all or nothing.

manschild · Dec 8, 2017

I support the move of the capital of Israel to Jerusalem it will bring us nearer to the end come Jesus come. May peace be with you.Manschild

Grandpa · Dec 8, 2017

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eternally-gratefull · Dec 8, 2017

Grandpa said:

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Hizikyah · Dec 9, 2017

Marcelo said:

The Sacrifice is completed in Messiah and there is no further sacrifice that can be accepted, and the priesthood has been transferred, levites no longer mediate the covenant but rather Yahshua does:

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 4:14-15, "Seeing then that we have a great High Priest Who has ascended into the heavens: Yahshua the Son of YHWH, let us hold fast our profession. For we do not have a High Priest Who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all ways tempted as we are--yet was without sin."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 9:11-12, "But the Messiah came near as a High Priest over the righteous things to come, with the great and more perfect tabernacle not made with hands, that is, not of this creation; Nor through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood He entered the Most Holy Place once, for all, having obtained eternal redemption."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 7:23-28, “And indeed, those that became priests were many, because they were prevented by death from continuing, but He, because He remains forever, has an unchangeable priesthood. Therefore He is also able to save completely those who draw near to Yah through Him, ever living to make intercession for them. For it was fitting that we should have such a High Priest – kind, innocent, undefiled, having been separated from sinners, and exalted above the heavens, who does not need, as those high priests, to offer up slaughter offerings day by day, first for His own sins and then for those of the people, for this He did once for all when He offered up Himself. For the Torah appoints as high priests men who have weakness, but the word of the oath which came after the Torah, appoints the Son having been perfected forever.”[/FONT]

and Messiah did say:

Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."

Mat 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. (Deut 6:5) This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Lev 19:18) On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

Marcelo · Dec 9, 2017

Hizikyah, I think the whole entire law of Moses is forever. Compare these two verses:

Matthew 5:18 - New International Version
For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

Luke 16:17 - New International Version
It is easier for heaven and earth to disappear than for the least stroke of a pen to drop out of the Law.

Note that according to Luke 16:17 the validity period of the law of Moses does not depend on the "accomplishment of everything" as is stated in Matthew 5:18, and Luke's account is as reliable as Matthew's. So, we can say that the Law is forever.

I believe the written Law is forever, but I don't think we have to keep it literally.

OtherWay210 · Dec 9, 2017

Christ hasn't returned yet to dispel the lies of the false Christ .
The day of vengeance to comfort all who mourn Isaiah 61 kjv . Revelation explains this .

Bladerunner · Dec 9, 2017

Marcelo said:

It is true that the covenant with Abram/Abraham was unconditional and it will not run out until the end has come (New earth and New Jerusalem).

However, This covenant was/is for the Jewish People and not Gentiles. Each of them have a distinct role to play in this world separate from each other and many so-call (not - true) Christians believe that they come together in 70 AD. (full preterist). It is SO SAD!

Hizikyah · Dec 9, 2017

Marcelo said:

a spiritual interpretation, but a true spiritual interpretation as in the true intent, not an over spiritualizatrion, for example: “Do not commit adultery” is an easy one Yahshua said;

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Matthew 5:27-32, “You heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not commit adultery. But I say to you that everyon[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]e looking at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif] in his heart[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]...”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Notice “i[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]n his heart[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]now this does not mean one has committed literal adultery, but has in their heart and cultivating this in ones heart will bring forth sin and death:[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]James 1:12-18, “Blessed is the man who does endure trial, for when he has been proved, he shall receive the crown of life which the Master has promised to those who love Him. Let no one say when he is enticed, “I am enticed by Yah,” for Yah is not enticed by evil matters, and He entices no one. But each one is enticed when he is drawn away by his own desires and trapped. Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin. And sin, when it has been accomplished, brings forth death. Do not go astray, my beloved brothers. Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of light, with whom there is no change, nor shadow of turning. Having purposed it, He brought us forth by the Word of truth, for us to be a kind of first-fruits of His creatures.”

Thus I believe when Yahshua/Jesus says: "looking at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. And if your right eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out and throw it away from you. For it is better for you that one of your members perish, than for your entire body to be thrown into GĕHinnom. And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away from you. For it is better for you that one of your members perish, than for your entire body to be thrown into GĕHinnom"

The explanation of how this is in practice is explained by James here "when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin. And sin, when it has been accomplished, brings forth death"

Then to put in my own words; when I man looks upon a woman with great lust, if cultivated it will bring forth acting on that lust, when that lust is acted upon it births sin, when one lives a live of sin it brings forth the second death.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 5:17, "All unrighteousness is sin, and there is a sin not unto death."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Also, over spiritualizinig to a point where the Laws is literally broken is still sin, it not like one can steal and say well Jesus doesn’t steal for me, or I stole but I did steal spiritually. So I believe the spirit is the true intent.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Timothy 1:5-7, " But the goal* of the commandment is love from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. For some men, straying from these things, have turned aside to fruitless discussion, wanting to be teachers of the Law, even though they do not understand either what they are saying or the matters about which they make confident assertions."

(goal)is word #G5056 –télos; Greek Dictionary (Lexicon-Concordance) - #5056 telos {tel'-os} from a primary tello (to set out for a definite point or goal)[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 7:12-14, "Therefore, all things you want men to do to you, do the same to them, for this is the (intent of the) Law and the Prophets. Enter in through the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many are those who go that way. Because straight is the gate, and narrow is the way which leads to life, and few there are who find it." [/FONT]

Hizikyah · Dec 9, 2017

Bladerunner said:

The covenant was and is for all peoples:

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Numbers 15:15-16, “One law is for you of the assembly and for the stranger who sojourns with you – a law forever throughout your generations. As you are, so is the stranger before [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]. One Torah and one right-ruling is for you and for the stranger who sojourns with you.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Exodus 12:47-49, “All the congregation of Israel shall keep it. And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the Passover to [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[FONT=Times New Roman, serif], let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof. One law shall be to him that is nativeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourns among you.”[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Corinthians 5:7-8, "Therefore cleanse out the old leaven, so that you are a new lump, as you are unleavened. For also Messiah our Passover was offered for us. So then let us observe the festival, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of evil and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Exodus 12:37-40, “And the children of Israel journeyed from Rameses to Succoth, about six hundred thousand on foot that were men, beside children. 38, And a *mixed multitude went up also with them; and flocks, and herds, even very much cattle. 39, And they baked unleavened cakes of the dough which they brought forth out of Egypt, for it was not leavened; because they were thrust out of Egypt, and could not tarry, neither had they prepared for themselves any victual. 40, Now the sojourning of the children of Israel, who dwelt in Egypt, was four hundred and thirty years.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]The words “*mixed multitude” are words:[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]H6154 - [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]עֶרֶב עֵרֶב [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]- ‛êreb ‛ereb, ay'-reb, eh'-reb, The second form used in 1 Kings 10:15 with the article prefixed); from H6148; the web (or transverse threads of cloth); also a mixture, (or mongrel race):—Arabia, mingled people, mixed (multitude)[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though YHWH's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Yisra’yl who belongs to Yisra’yl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are YHWH's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 105:6-9, "O seed of Abraham His servant, You children of Yaaqob, His chosen ones! He is YHWH our Father! His judgments are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, the Law He commanded for a thousand generations; Which He made; ratified, established, with Abraham, and vowed by His oath to Isaac. He confirmed it; let it stand, to Yaaqob for a Law, and to Israyl for an everlasting covenant."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Exodus 2:23-25, “And it came to be after these many days that the sovereign of Mitsrayim died. And the children of Yisra’yl groaned because of the slavery, and they cried out. And their cry came up to the Mighty One because of the slavery. And the Mighty One heard their groaning, and the Mighty One remembered His covenant with Aḇraham, with Yitsḥaq, and with Ya‛aqoḇ. And the Mighty One looked on the children of Yisra’yl, and the Mighty One knew!”[/FONT]

Bladerunner · Dec 9, 2017

Hizikyah said:

The covenant was and is for all peoples:

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Numbers 15:15-16, “One law is for you of the assembly and for the stranger who sojourns with you – a law forever throughout your generations. As you are, so is the stranger before [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]. One Torah and one right-ruling is for you and for the stranger who sojourns with you.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Exodus 12:47-49, “All the congregation of Israel shall keep it. And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the Passover to [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[FONT=Times New Roman, serif], let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof. One law shall be to him that is nativeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourns among you.”[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Corinthians 5:7-8, "Therefore cleanse out the old leaven, so that you are a new lump, as you are unleavened. For also Messiah our Passover was offered for us. So then let us observe the festival, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of evil and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Exodus 12:37-40, “And the children of Israel journeyed from Rameses to Succoth, about six hundred thousand on foot that were men, beside children. 38, And a *mixed multitude went up also with them; and flocks, and herds, even very much cattle. 39, And they baked unleavened cakes of the dough which they brought forth out of Egypt, for it was not leavened; because they were thrust out of Egypt, and could not tarry, neither had they prepared for themselves any victual. 40, Now the sojourning of the children of Israel, who dwelt in Egypt, was four hundred and thirty years.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]The words “*mixed multitude” are words:[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]H6154 - [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]עֶרֶב עֵרֶב [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]- ‛êreb ‛ereb, ay'-reb, eh'-reb, The second form used in 1 Kings 10:15 with the article prefixed); from H6148; the web (or transverse threads of cloth); also a mixture, (or mongrel race):—Arabia, mingled people, mixed (multitude)[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though YHWH's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Yisra’yl who belongs to Yisra’yl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are YHWH's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 105:6-9, "O seed of Abraham His servant, You children of Yaaqob, His chosen ones! He is YHWH our Father! His judgments are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, the Law He commanded for a thousand generations; Which He made; ratified, established, with Abraham, and vowed by His oath to Isaac. He confirmed it; let it stand, to Yaaqob for a Law, and to Israyl for an everlasting covenant."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Exodus 2:23-25, “And it came to be after these many days that the sovereign of Mitsrayim died. And the children of Yisra’yl groaned because of the slavery, and they cried out. And their cry came up to the Mighty One because of the slavery. And the Mighty One heard their groaning, and the Mighty One remembered His covenant with Aḇraham, with Yitsḥaq, and with Ya‛aqoḇ. And the Mighty One looked on the children of Yisra’yl, and the Mighty One knew!”[/FONT]

NO...Gen 12:3."And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed." ....

The covenant was for the Jewish people. To make them a great nation. And IT ALREADY HAS?

'Now I ask why do you put SO MUCH info on each POST..are you trying to impress someone. I know I do not read it and I would guess there are a lot that skip over it. Please,,, I may be loosing out on valuable information you are trying to convey.

Tks Blade

Hizikyah · Dec 9, 2017

Bladerunner said:

7 passages are too much and thus showing off.... wow. SO when I only post a Scripture or two im said to be suing not in context, when I post a number showing a clear doctrine im showing off... You are taking a single verse, ignoring so much evidence in the rest of the book and forming an opinion/doctrine from a twisting of a single verse.

here is 2 of them:

Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though YHWH's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Yisra’yl who belongs to Yisra’yl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are YHWH's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."

Psalm 105:6-9, "O seed of Abraham His servant, You children of Yaaqob, His chosen ones! He is YHWH our Father! His judgments are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, the Law He commanded for a thousand generations; Which He made; ratified, established, with Abraham, and vowed by His oath to Isaac. He confirmed it; let it stand, to Yaaqob for a Law, and to Israyl for an everlasting covenant."

ohh and it is also in your post:

Bladerunner said:

are the Jews "all families of the earth"

Billyd · Dec 9, 2017

IMHO, Everything that required a blood sacrifice was fulfilled at the cross. Keep that statement in mind and read the book of Leviticus. If it required a sacrifice, take a red pencil and write the SATISFIED beside it.

There are many prophecies left to be fulfilled, but there have been no new prophecies since the completion of the Bible. IOW the entire word of God to us is complete.

willfollowsGod · Dec 9, 2017

I think people are being confused by what Hiz is saying is law and what others are saying is law. Also, what law are we talking about? If that can be straightened out, there will be less stone-throwing and more understanding on both sides. Thanks. God bless.

Bladerunner · Dec 9, 2017

Hizikyah said:

7 passages are too much and thus showing off.... wow. SO when I only post a Scripture or two im said to be suing not in context, when I post a number showing a clear doctrine im showing off... You are taking a single verse, ignoring so much evidence in the rest of the book and forming an opinion/doctrine from a twisting of a single verse.

here is 2 of them:

I was trying to be nice and helpful. I still have to look the Scripture up because you scripture reads different from mine. I use the KJV. I know you probably the messoretic text or maybe the original scrolls.

Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though YHWH's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Yisra’yl who belongs to Yisra’yl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are YHWH's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."

This is likely a prophecy where there are those that claim they are Jewish but are not.... Preterist.. Those who claim that Israel and the covenants have become the Churches and Israel is just a memory because they rejected Jesus, Their Messiah.

Psalm 105:6-9, "O seed of Abraham His servant, You children of Yaaqob, His chosen ones! He is YHWH our Father! His judgments are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, the Law He commanded for a thousand generations; Which He made; ratified, established, with Abraham, and vowed by His oath to Isaac. He confirmed it; let it stand, to Yaaqob for a Law, and to Israyl for an everlasting covenant."

ohh and it is also in your post:

There it is, Abrahams Seed went to Jacob...... The whole Book is written by Jews and the WHole reason of it is God trying to gather his people but they would not have him.

are the Jews "all families of the earth"

I believe I said that.

Blade

Hizikyah · Dec 9, 2017

Bladerunner said:

Possibly I misunderstood you? My point is that the Covenant is and always was for all people that will follow YHWH, no matter ethnic background. Yes the Hebrews were chosen to be the vessel, but since the beginning all peoples were allowed in IF they followed YHWH as He said. That is what I was trying to show using those passages.

Has all already been fulfilled by Messiah?

Has all already been fulfilled by Messiah?

Yes everything has been fulfilled

No everything has not yet been fulfilled

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