Has all already been fulfilled by Messiah?

[Studyman]

=Grandpa;3401994

]The law has only changed for those who are no longer under it.

For those who are still under it the law has not changed one iota.

Under the Law means dead in our sins. So in a way you are correct. Those who are still "dead" in their sins have not changed one iota. There is a requirement in the Law that demands repentance, which means change. Not change from one set of traditions and doctrines of man to another, but change from following your own mind and traditions, to God's Instructions.

Hebrews 7:18-19
18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

You can try to make that about the priesthood but its not. Only someone who is led away with the error of the wicked would twist Pauls word to make some of the law fulfilled but not all.

Hebrews 7 is speaking about the Levitical Priesthood Paul calls the "Law of Works". You can deny this if you wish, but your unbelief doesn't make the Word of God void.

Galatians 3:21-25

21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

If you refuse to accept Paul's teaching that there are two Laws in his time. "Law of Works" (Levitical Priesthood) and "Law of Faith".(Laws Abraham was blessed for obeying)

Abraham didn't have the "Law of Works", he was justified by the Law of Faith "apart" from the Law of Works. I can't make you believe this truth. But it is there in your Bible and mine.

If there had been a law, any kind of law, that could have given life then our right standing before God would have been by that law.

But there is a disannulling of the law, all of them, for their weakness and unprofitableness in causing us to have right standing before God. Because none of the law could make us perfect. But the bringing in of a new hope could. Which is the Lord Jesus Christ.

Again, speaking of the Law of Works as it is written. "4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins."

This is the weak and carnal Law Hebrew speaks about. Not the "Good" "just" and "Holy" Law of Faith that defines sin.

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

Did the Lord mis-speak?

He fulfilled some of the Prophesy regarding Him, but not all. He still has to come back and gather from the 4 corners of the earth those who "Do Iniquity", (That means those who reject His Words and create their own Sabbaths, and their own High Days, their own images of God in the likeness of man) and drop them in the Lake of Fire.

So by His own Word He has shown us "ALL" has not been fulfilled. I know you refuse to believe this, but shall your un-belief make the Word of God void? God forbid, let God be true and every man a liar.

Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Is the Lord able to do what He says He will do?

Jesus is quoting from Jeremiah 6:16.

16 Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.

And so it is, just as He said.

 

[Hizikyah]

The law has only changed for those who are no longer under it.

For those who are still under it the law has not changed one iota.

Hebrews 7:18-19
18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

You can try to make that about the priesthood but its not. Only someone who is led away with the error of the wicked would twist Pauls word to make some of the law fulfilled but not all.

Galatians 3:21-25

21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.


If there had been a law, any kind of law, that could have given life then our right standing before God would have been by that law.

But there is a disannulling of the law, all of them, for their weakness and unprofitableness in causing us to have right standing before God. Because none of the law could make us perfect. But the bringing in of a new hope could. Which is the Lord Jesus Christ.

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

Did the Lord mis-speak?

Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Is the Lord able to do what He says He will do?

We have been over this over and over and over.

The priesthood of levites was disbanded and Yahshua/Jesus carries out the priesthood till this day, the Law is now mediated by Him. See my last post to you that you quoted.

If there had been a law, any kind of law, that could have given life then our right standing before God would have been by that law.

But there is a disannulling of the law, all of them, for their weakness and unprofitableness in causing us to have right standing before God. Because none of the law could make us perfect. But the bringing in of a new hope could. Which is the Lord Jesus Christ.

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Did He ALREADY fulfill all? That is the purpose of this thread, if we are honest we see noi, He still has prophecies to fulfill, and He will when it is time.

John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

Did the Lord mis-speak?

No He did not mis-speak, His work as the suffering Lamb was finished, yet His work as the conquering Lion remains:

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]There are 2 "it is done" statements...

Fulfilled already
John 19:30, “So when [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]took the sour wine He said, “It is done!” And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.”

Fulfilled already- To be fulfilled in the future

1. Passover/First-fruits – Yahshua's Sacrifice(Passover), burial and resurrection (First Fruits – presenting Himself to YHWH)
2. Feast of Unleavened Bread – Removal of sin by Yahshua's perfect work as the Passover Sacrifice
3. Feast of Weeks – The blessing Holy Spirit of YHWH, coming into our lives stronger than ever
4. Feast of Trumpets – Yahshua's return and gathering of the Saints
5. Day of Atonement – Yahshua leads the army of YHWH to destroy evil rulers of this world and satan is chained for 1,000 years
6. Feast of Tabernacles – Yahshua dwells on earth for 1,000 years teaching truth and righteousness
7. The Last Great Day – satan is loosed and swiftly destroyed, the Kingdom of YHWH reigns forever

To be fulfilled in the future
Revelation 21:4-8, “And Yah shall wipe away every tear from their eyes, and there shall be no more death, nor mourning, nor crying. And there shall be no more pain, for the former matters have passed away. And He who was sitting on the throne said, “See, I make all matters new.” And He said to me, “Write, for these words are true and trustworthy. And He said to me, “It is done! I am the ‘Aleph’ and the ‘Taw’, the Beginning and the End. To the one who thirsts I shall give of the fountain of the water of life without payment. The one who overcomes shall inherit all this, and I shall be his Strength and he shall be My son. But as for the cowardly, and untrustworthy, and abominable, and murderers, and those who whore, and drug sorcerers, and idolaters, and all the false, their part is in the lake which burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death.”[/FONT]

Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Is the Lord able to do what He says He will do?

SO you Messiah gives you rest from the Father's rightous Laws? Odd.... No None have yet entered into this rest, any that claim to have made up their own definition of rest;

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]2 Thessalonians 1:5-10, “Clear evidence of the righteous judgment of יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], in order for you to be counted worthy of the reign of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], for which you also suffer, since [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]shall rightly repay with affliction those who afflict you, and to give you who are afflictedrest with us when the Master [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]is revealed from heaven with His mighty messengers, in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], and on those who do not obey the Good News of our Master [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Messiah, who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Master and from the esteem of His strength, when He comes to be esteemed in His set-apart ones and to be admired among all those who believe in that Day, because our witness to you was believed.”[/FONT]





[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 14:13, "And I heard a voice from heaven saying to me: Write: Blessed are the dead, the ones dying in the Messiah from now on! Yes, says the Spirit: because they will rest from their labors, and their works do follow them!"[/FONT]

 

[Hizikyah]

Christian law keepers have already removed jots, tittles, words, phrases and whole sentences from the Law.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Luke 16:16-17, "The Law and the Prophets were until John, since that time the Kingdom of YHWH is preached, and every man is pressed to enter it. But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail." [/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against YHWH, and will wear out; mentally attack to cause to fall away, the saints of YHWH, and think to change times and Laws…"[/FONT]

 

[valiant]

Under the Law means dead in our sins.

'Under the law' means seeking to obtain eternal life by keeping the law wholly or partially.

So in a way you are correct. Those who are still "dead" in their sins have not changed one iota.

That is true, but it has nothing to do with being under the law. Under the law makes me wholly guilty before God, a different concept.

There is a requirement in the Law that demands repentance, which means change.

But I would still be under the law and found guilty by it..

Not change from one set of traditions and doctrines of man to another, but change from following your own mind and traditions, to God's Instructions.

By becoming dead to the law through the body of Christ?

Hebrews 7 is speaking about the Levitical Priesthood Paul calls the "Law of Works". You can deny this if you wish, but your unbelief doesn't make the Word of God void.

What Paul calls the law of works is very different from the Levitical priesthood. It is the law by which we seek to be right with God,

If you refuse to accept Paul's teaching that there are two Laws in his time. "Law of Works" (Levitical Priesthood) and "Law of Faith".(Laws Abraham was blessed for obeying)

The principle of faith is 'to one who does not have work but believes in Him Who justifies the ungodly his faith is counted as righteousness' (Rom 4.5). That is the very opposite of what you are saying.

Abraham didn't have the "Law of Works", he was justified by the Law of Faith "apart" from the Law of Works. I can't make you believe this truth. But it is there in your Bible and mine.

But it was without works as I have shown. You are trying to make it result from works.

 

[Grandpa]

We have been over this over and over and over.

The priesthood of levites was disbanded and Yahshua/Jesus carries out the priesthood till this day, the Law is now mediated by Him. See my last post to you that you quoted.




Did He ALREADY fulfill all? That is the purpose of this thread, if we are honest we see noi, He still has prophecies to fulfill, and He will when it is time.




No He did not mis-speak, His work as the suffering Lamb was finished, yet His work as the conquering Lion remains:

There are 2 "it is done" statements...

Fulfilled already
John 19:30, “So when יהושע took the sour wine He said, “It is done!” And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.”

Fulfilled already- To be fulfilled in the future

1. Passover/First-fruits – Yahshua's Sacrifice(Passover), burial and resurrection (First Fruits – presenting Himself to YHWH)
2. Feast of Unleavened Bread – Removal of sin by Yahshua's perfect work as the Passover Sacrifice
3. Feast of Weeks – The blessing Holy Spirit of YHWH, coming into our lives stronger than ever
4. Feast of Trumpets – Yahshua's return and gathering of the Saints
5. Day of Atonement – Yahshua leads the army of YHWH to destroy evil rulers of this world and satan is chained for 1,000 years
6. Feast of Tabernacles – Yahshua dwells on earth for 1,000 years teaching truth and righteousness
7. The Last Great Day – satan is loosed and swiftly destroyed, the Kingdom of YHWH reigns forever

To be fulfilled in the future
Revelation 21:4-8, “And Yah shall wipe away every tear from their eyes, and there shall be no more death, nor mourning, nor crying. And there shall be no more pain, for the former matters have passed away. And He who was sitting on the throne said, “See, I make all matters new.” And He said to me, “Write, for these words are true and trustworthy. And He said to me, “It is done! I am the ‘Aleph’ and the ‘Taw’, the Beginning and the End. To the one who thirsts I shall give of the fountain of the water of life without payment. The one who overcomes shall inherit all this, and I shall be his Strength and he shall be My son. But as for the cowardly, and untrustworthy, and abominable, and murderers, and those who whore, and drug sorcerers, and idolaters, and all the false, their part is in the lake which burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death.”






SO you Messiah gives you rest from the Father's rightous Laws? Odd.... No None have yet entered into this rest, any that claim to have made up their own definition of rest;

2 Thessalonians 1:5-10, “Clear evidence of the righteous judgment of יהוה, in order for you to be counted worthy of the reign of יהוה, for which you also suffer, since יהוה shall rightly repay with affliction those who afflict you, and to give you who are afflictedrest with us when the Master יהושע is revealed from heaven with His mighty messengers, in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know יהוה, and on those who do not obey the Good News of our Master יהושע Messiah, who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Master and from the esteem of His strength, when He comes to be esteemed in His set-apart ones and to be admired among all those who believe in that Day, because our witness to you was believed.”





Revelation 14:13, "And I heard a voice from heaven saying to me: Write: Blessed are the dead, the ones dying in the Messiah from now on! Yes, says the Spirit: because they will rest from their labors, and their works do follow them!"

So, in your philosophy, the Lord did mis-speak. Not once but at least twice.

When He said It is finished, in your philosophy He should have said it is partly finished.

When He said I will give you rest, in your philosophy He should have said at some future time that has yet to be determined.

I suppose for some of the jots and tittles to be done away with in the law the Lord must have mis-spoke there too.


Did you know that the Lord Jesus Christ NEVER mis-speaks? If He said He came to fulfill the law then you can be assured He fulfilled the law. If He said He will give you rest then you can be assured that He will give you rest.

If not one jot or one tittle has fallen from the law that you try to follow then you better read up on those jots and tittles.

Hebrews 4:2-3
[FONT=&quot]2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.


[/FONT]

 

[Hizikyah]

So, in your philosophy, the Lord did mis-speak. Not once but at least twice.

When He said It is finished, in your philosophy He should have said it is partly finished.

When He said I will give you rest, in your philosophy He should have said at some future time that has yet to be determined.

I suppose for some of the jots and tittles to be done away with in the law the Lord must have mis-spoke there too.


Did you know that the Lord Jesus Christ NEVER mis-speaks? If He said He came to fulfill the law then you can be assured He fulfilled the law. If He said He will give you rest then you can be assured that He will give you rest.

If not one jot or one tittle has fallen from the law that you try to follow then you better read up on those jots and tittles.

Hebrews 4:2-3
2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

Yeah I showed you the Scriptures proving what I said.

 

[Studyman]

=valiant;3402239]

'Under the law' means seeking to obtain eternal life by keeping the law wholly or partially.

That is your religion, not what the Bible says. Can you provide scriptures to support this? The wages of sin is death. If I am dead, I am "under the law". I am under the law, not because I kept it, but because I broke it. Once Jesus accepts by repentance, my death is pardoned. I am no longer dead or "Under the Law", I am alive and "under grace".

6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

Serve what Valiant? Traditions of men like the Pharisees did which killed me in the first place?

Rom. 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

We were "under the Law" because we broke it, if Jesus freed us from this "law" (Wages of sin is death) why would I not "work" no make sure I didn't do this again?

That is true, but it has nothing to do with being under the law. Under the law makes me wholly guilty before God, a different concept.

Yes, if you are unrepentant and are continuing in the dishonor and disrespect to God with disobedience to His instructions, then you are still dead in your sins, or as Paul put's it, "Under the Law".

But I would still be under the law and found guilty by it..

5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

Jesus said if I repent and "turn to Him" He will remember my sin no more. I believe His Word's over yours.

By becoming dead to the law through the body of Christ?

Oh, I see, so if I love Jesus I will make up images of Him after the likeness of some play girl centerfold, I will reject His Sabbaths He made for man and create my own. I will create my own High Days which He expressly taught against. And if I hate Jesus, I will strive to follow in His Footsteps, obey what He says to do, and deny myself and follow Him.

I don't think our flesh being "Dead to the Law" means that.

What Paul calls the law of works is very different from the Levitical priesthood. It is the law by which we seek to be right with God,

You have no evidence of this preaching either. The "Law of Works" is the Levitical Priesthood and you can not prove otherwise with scripture.

The principle of faith is 'to one who does not have work but believes in Him Who justifies the ungodly his faith is counted as righteousness' (Rom 4.5). That is the very opposite of what you are saying.

No, we all have works as long as we are alive. You can't possibly deny this truth. The question is, are your works the works of God or man's traditions?

Abraham had "Works" and His works were accepted by God. The Mainstream Preachers of Christ's time also had works, but their works were not accepted by God. What was the difference between the two?

Gen. 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;

5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

But of the mainstream preachers of Christ's time;

Matt. 15:7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Shall I ignore these Biblical truths just to defend your religion.

But it was without works as I have shown. You are trying to make it result from works.

I'm not trying to make anything. Not my own long haired Jesus, not my own Sabbaths, not my own High Days, or laws. You are forced to create all these things in support of the religion you defend. We don't have to ignore, omit, alter or destroy any of God's Words if they are what guides us. We shouldn't just use parts of His Word to justify some man made religion.

You are wrong about the "works of the Law" so then you are wrong about Abraham and many other things. We must trust the Word's of God, all of them. Jesus, before becoming a man, says Abraham was blessed "BECAUSE" he honored God, not with disobedience to Him, or creation of his own traditions, but with obedience to God's instructions.

And Jesus called this obedience "Faith". And we are to have the "Faith of Abraham".

I have faith that Jesus is true.

 

[Hizikyah]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Habakkuk 2:4, "Behold the proud, his soul is not right in him; but the just will live by faith."[/FONT]


“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]faith” is word #H530 [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]אֱמוּנָה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]'emuwnah (em-oo-naw') n-f., [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]אֱמֻנָה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]'emunah (em-oo-naw') [shortened], 1. (literally) firmness., 2. (figuratively) security., 3. (morally) fidelity.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif][feminine of H529], KJV: faith(-ful, -ly, -ness, (man)), set office, stability, steady, truly, truth, verily. , Root(s): H529

“faith” is word #H530 Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) 1) firmness, fidelity, steadfastness, steadiness

“faith” #H530 Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
Feminine of H0529; literally firmness; figuratively security; moral fidelity:—faith (-ful, -ly, -ness, [man]), set office, stability, steady, truly, truth, verily.[/FONT]